Russia threatens to target Europe

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="reservoir_doggy"]

[QUOTE="curono"]Seriously, Why does US makes so much fuzz about the nuclear bombs all around the world? USA has maybe the biggest NUCLEAR arsenal in the world and it is ok, but anyone but them attempts to get that technology and bombs are the worst thing in the world. That is hipocrisy.SaintLeonidas

Except for the whole we don't theaten to take out Europe thing. Seriously we will use them if we have to because other people might use them first, but we don't run around threatening to kill millions of people like some of these other countries. ...

The US isnt the only counntry with nukes, russia has them so do many others. The catch is the fact that we are logical countries. We dont try to exterminate other races, or wake up every moring wishing another country was gone. Iran, wants to  destroy Isreal, North Korea is run by a power hungry dictator who wants south korea and the US gone. You cant put weapons that could killed hundreds of thousands of civilians into those peoples hands. The US, Russia wouldnt us nukes unless absolutely necessary. You make no sense with what your saying, its like saying that its okay to trust a child molester around children, he cant be trusted. If i said I wanted to kill you, would you let me in your house and give me a gun?

What villainy, you tried to make a statement about how we go after economic gain, yet you used two example, both werent back up worth good proof.  We are evil country? We must be, we obviously dont allow freedom, or the right to vote. In another country you could be killed for the things you say, but i guess the US is still worse.  Not like weve gone in to countries in attempts to save lives. Not like we dont supply millions in aid around the world, not like we help train troops from around the world and offer help to them. Not like we go after countries that attempt to invade another. You make no sense, defending faith and not money? yeah thats it, your so right. I mean, its not like every time we go into a place we try to liberate the people, give them a voice, loosen the strict rules they were forced to obey. Freedom means nothing to us, its all money. We have gained so much from Iraq, I mean those 400 billions weve spent on it sure have made us rich. Man, thats a awesome plan, lets invade more countries, spend billions to do so, lose lives, because then we gain economically. once we gain back the 400billin already spent.

[QUOTE="Sir_Marwin"]great... just great...MichaeltheCM

stupid Bush we cant make peace with anyone. i hate this "lets make enemies with the world" crap 

the next presidents gonna have alot of work on his or her hand (weird to say that) to get back into a friendly status with countries around the world.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="reservoir_doggy"]

[QUOTE="curono"]Seriously, Why does US makes so much fuzz about the nuclear bombs all around the world? USA has maybe the biggest NUCLEAR arsenal in the world and it is ok, but anyone but them attempts to get that technology and bombs are the worst thing in the world. That is hipocrisy.curono

Except for the whole we don't theaten to take out Europe thing. Seriously we will use them if we have to because other people might use them first, but we don't run around threatening to kill millions of people like some of these other countries. ...

The US isnt the only counntry with nukes, russia has them so do many others. The catch is the fact that we are logical countries. We dont try to exterminate other races, or wake up every moring wishing another country was gone. Iran, wants to  destroy Isreal, North Korea is run by a power hungry dictator who wants south korea and the US gone. You cant put weapons that could killed hundreds of thousands of civilians into those peoples hands. The US, Russia wouldnt us nukes unless absolutely necessary. You make no sense with what your saying, its like saying that its okay to trust a child molester around children, he cant be trusted. If i said I wanted to kill you, would you let me in your house and give me a gun?

What villainy, you tried to make a statement about how we go after economic gain, yet you used two example, both werent back up worth good proof.  We are evil country? We must be, we obviously dont allow freedom, or the right to vote. In another country you could be killed for the things you say, but i guess the US is still worse.  Not like weve gone in to countries in attempts to save lives. Not like we dont supply millions in aid around the world, not like we help train troops from around the world and offer help to them. Not like we go after countries that attempt to invade another. You make no sense, defending faith and not money? yeah thats it, your so right. I mean, its not like every time we go into a place we try to liberate the people, give them a voice, loosen the strict rules they were forced to obey. Freedom means nothing to us, its all money. We have gained so much from Iraq, I mean those 400 billions weve spent on it sure have made us rich. Man, thats a awesome plan, lets invade more countries, spend billions to do so, lose lives, because then we gain economically. once we gain back the 400billin already spent.

Do you have any idea how many vietnamese died before we went in there. take iraq, thousands of iraqi civilains have died from us there. most of those not directly our faults, well millions died before that. when it comes to peace, trying to make other countries free, joining up for a safer world, stopping terrorism and trying to prevent another 9/11, the US has been a leading contributor. far more countiries around the world have done much, much , much worst things that have occured due to the us. and guess what, we try to stop those things from happening. To allow Iran nukes could lead to the death of millions. We used them once, we regret it. Now we want to prevent it from happening again, those we have now are for protection, in case a country like iran tries to nuke us, or another country we have means to defend our selfs. The genocides that occur around the world every day are far worst then any thing the US has done. But we also try to stop them from happening. 

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="reservoir_doggy"]

[QUOTE="curono"]Seriously, Why does US makes so much fuzz about the nuclear bombs all around the world? USA has maybe the biggest NUCLEAR arsenal in the world and it is ok, but anyone but them attempts to get that technology and bombs are the worst thing in the world. That is hipocrisy.SaintLeonidas

Except for the whole we don't theaten to take out Europe thing. Seriously we will use them if we have to because other people might use them first, but we don't run around threatening to kill millions of people like some of these other countries. ...

The US isnt the only counntry with nukes, russia has them so do many others. The catch is the fact that we are logical countries. We dont try to exterminate other races, or wake up every moring wishing another country was gone. Iran, wants to  destroy Isreal, North Korea is run by a power hungry dictator who wants south korea and the US gone. You cant put weapons that could killed hundreds of thousands of civilians into those peoples hands. The US, Russia wouldnt us nukes unless absolutely necessary. You make no sense with what your saying, its like saying that its okay to trust a child molester around children, he cant be trusted. If i said I wanted to kill you, would you let me in your house and give me a gun?

What villainy, you tried to make a statement about how we go after economic gain, yet you used two example, both werent back up worth good proof.  We are evil country? We must be, we obviously dont allow freedom, or the right to vote. In another country you could be killed for the things you say, but i guess the US is still worse.  Not like weve gone in to countries in attempts to save lives. Not like we dont supply millions in aid around the world, not like we help train troops from around the world and offer help to them. Not like we go after countries that attempt to invade another. You make no sense, defending faith and not money? yeah thats it, your so right. I mean, its not like every time we go into a place we try to liberate the people, give them a voice, loosen the strict rules they were forced to obey. Freedom means nothing to us, its all money. We have gained so much from Iraq, I mean those 400 billions weve spent on it sure have made us rich. Man, thats a awesome plan, lets invade more countries, spend billions to do so, lose lives, because then we gain economically. once we gain back the 400billin already spent.

Do you have any idea how many vietnamese died before we went in there. take iraq, thousands of iraqi civilains have died from us there. most of those not directly our faults, well millions died before that. when it comes to peace, trying to make other countries free, joining up for a safer world, stopping terrorism and trying to prevent another 9/11, the US has been a leading contributor. far more countiries around the world have done much, much , much worst things that have occured due to the us. and guess what, we try to stop those things from happening. To allow Iran nukes could lead to the death of millions. We used them once, we regret it. Now we want to prevent it from happening again, those we have now are for protection, in case a country like iran tries to nuke us, or another country we have means to defend our selfs. The genocides that occur around the world every day are far worst then any thing the US has done. But we also try to stop them from happening. 

What villainy, you tried to make a statement about how we go after economic gain, yet you used two example, both werent back up worth good proof. We are evil country? We must be, we obviously dont allow freedom, or the right to vote. In another country you could be killed for the things you say, but i guess the US is still worse. Not like weve gone in to countries in attempts to save lives. Not like we dont supply millions in aid around the world, not like we help train troops from around the world and offer help to them. Not like we go after countries that attempt to invade another. You make no sense, defending faith and not money? yeah thats it, your so right. I mean, its not like every time we go into a place we try to liberate the people, give them a voice, loosen the strict rules they were forced to obey. Freedom means nothing to us, its all money. We have gained so much from Iraq, I mean those 400 billions weve spent on it sure have made us rich. Man, thats a awesome plan, lets invade more countries, spend billions to do so, lose lives, because then we gain economically. once we gain back the 400billin already spent.

SaintLeonidas

The war in the middle east was not for the economic gain of the United States. It was for the economic gain of George Bush, his father and their friends.  Then entire war and the events leading up to is where nothing more than a business deal, one that has tragically cost many lives.  The attack of 911 was "apparently" conducted predominately by Saudi Arabians, does this then explain the bombing of Baghdad, a city that has nothing to do with the half dozen Saudi terrorists, and was filled with thousands of innocent people? If an Australian crashes a plane into a building in America does that mean that ALL of Australia is to blame? Would America then invade us, simple because of the actions of a small group of people?

If someone at a bar was to punch you in the face, would burn the entire bar to the ground with everyone in it? 

Why does America feel the need to continuously get involved in other peoples wars? America are NOT the United Nations, they are a part of it, and yet the deemed fit ignore the ruling of the United Nations when they told America they where NOT to invade the middle east.

Consider this, out of all the nuclear weapons in the world, only one country has ever fired them in an act of war. Only one. Care to have a guess who that was?  Ask the Japanese perhaps.

Back on topic. Why does America need an anti-missile base in Europe?  If America wants other countries to disarm so badly, why not a sign of good will, disarm themselves first?

If America wants to help other people so badly, why not instead send troops into Ethiopia with food and medicine, Africa is crying for help.  How about saving lives instead of taking them? Or how about focusing on things back home and spending those billions of dollars on improving the American health care system, finding jobs for the unemployed, improving the quality of life for its people?

These are simply my opinions and thought. Some of you will agree with me, others wont.  I use the term America and American in the broadest sense, not as a reference to its many residents but rather to the politicians and those in power. 

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="reservoir_doggy"]

[QUOTE="curono"]Seriously, Why does US makes so much fuzz about the nuclear bombs all around the world? USA has maybe the biggest NUCLEAR arsenal in the world and it is ok, but anyone but them attempts to get that technology and bombs are the worst thing in the world. That is hipocrisy.curono

Except for the whole we don't theaten to take out Europe thing. Seriously we will use them if we have to because other people might use them first, but we don't run around threatening to kill millions of people like some of these other countries. ...

The US isnt the only counntry with nukes, russia has them so do many others. The catch is the fact that we are logical countries. We dont try to exterminate other races, or wake up every moring wishing another country was gone. Iran, wants to  destroy Isreal, North Korea is run by a power hungry dictator who wants south korea and the US gone. You cant put weapons that could killed hundreds of thousands of civilians into those peoples hands. The US, Russia wouldnt us nukes unless absolutely necessary. You make no sense with what your saying, its like saying that its okay to trust a child molester around children, he cant be trusted. If i said I wanted to kill you, would you let me in your house and give me a gun?

What villainy, you tried to make a statement about how we go after economic gain, yet you used two example, both werent back up worth good proof.  We are evil country? We must be, we obviously dont allow freedom, or the right to vote. In another country you could be killed for the things you say, but i guess the US is still worse.  Not like weve gone in to countries in attempts to save lives. Not like we dont supply millions in aid around the world, not like we help train troops from around the world and offer help to them. Not like we go after countries that attempt to invade another. You make no sense, defending faith and not money? yeah thats it, your so right. I mean, its not like every time we go into a place we try to liberate the people, give them a voice, loosen the strict rules they were forced to obey. Freedom means nothing to us, its all money. We have gained so much from Iraq, I mean those 400 billions weve spent on it sure have made us rich. Man, thats a awesome plan, lets invade more countries, spend billions to do so, lose lives, because then we gain economically. once we gain back the 400billin already spent.

Do you have any idea how many vietnamese died before we went in there. take iraq, thousands of iraqi civilains have died from us there. most of those not directly our faults, well millions died before that. when it comes to peace, trying to make other countries free, joining up for a safer world, stopping terrorism and trying to prevent another 9/11, the US has been a leading contributor. far more countiries around the world have done much, much , much worst things that have occured due to the us. and guess what, we try to stop those things from happening. To allow Iran nukes could lead to the death of millions. We used them once, we regret it. Now we want to prevent it from happening again, those we have now are for protection, in case a country like iran tries to nuke us, or another country we have means to defend our selfs. The genocides that occur around the world every day are far worst then any thing the US has done. But we also try to stop them from happening. 

Did you not read were i wrote we regretted that, cause if yeah did youd relize you cant use it as a counter point, because i already accepted that as a fault. But even that, estimates show that more would of died if we hadnt dropped the bomb, and we tried attacking japan itself, so regret yes, but not really. The us has done to much towards spreading freedom, and working with countries with aid, and the UN to help others. Youve lost this debate. You said Iran should have nukes, we proved they cant be truted and want to kill millions. You said America was evil, weve proved that we have done some things, but the good things weve done out number them. You said we go in for econimic reasons, yet we proved that in no way has any of them been an economic gain, take iraq, weve spent 400 billion on the war, and Bush wants to spend even more.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]

What villainy, you tried to make a statement about how we go after economic gain, yet you used two example, both werent back up worth good proof. We are evil country? We must be, we obviously dont allow freedom, or the right to vote. In another country you could be killed for the things you say, but i guess the US is still worse. Not like weve gone in to countries in attempts to save lives. Not like we dont supply millions in aid around the world, not like we help train troops from around the world and offer help to them. Not like we go after countries that attempt to invade another. You make no sense, defending faith and not money? yeah thats it, your so right. I mean, its not like every time we go into a place we try to liberate the people, give them a voice, loosen the strict rules they were forced to obey. Freedom means nothing to us, its all money. We have gained so much from Iraq, I mean those 400 billions weve spent on it sure have made us rich. Man, thats a awesome plan, lets invade more countries, spend billions to do so, lose lives, because then we gain economically. once we gain back the 400billin already spent.

Hyper_52

The war in the middle east was not for the economic gain of the United States. It was for the economic gain of George Bush, his father and their friends.  Then entire war and the events leading up to is where nothing more than a business deal, one that has tragically cost many lives.  The attack of 911 was "apparently" conducted predominately by Saudi Arabians, does this then explain the bombing of Baghdad, a city that has nothing to do with the half dozen Saudi terrorists, and was filled with thousands of innocent people? If an Australian crashes a plane into a building in America does that mean that ALL of Australia is to blame? Would America then invade us, simple because of the actions of a small group of people?

( I disagree with the war in iraq, there are other countires and people that should of been dealt with, and i hate Bush with a passion.)

If someone at a bar was to punch you in the face, would burn the entire bar to the ground with everyone in it? 

Why does America feel the need to continuously get involved in other peoples wars? America are NOT the United Nations, they are a part of it, and yet the deemed fit ignore the ruling of the United Nations when they told America they where NOT to invade the middle east.

Consider this, out of all the nuclear weapons in the world, only one country has ever fired them in an act of war. Only one. Care to have a guess who that was?  Ask the Japanese perhaps.

Back on topic. Why does America need an anti-missile base in Europe?  If America wants other countries to disarm so badly, why not a sign of good will, disarm themselves first?

( yeah, lets disarm first, because of course other countries can be trusted)

If America wants to help other people so badly, why not instead send troops into Ethiopia with food and medicine, Africa is crying for help.  How about saving lives instead of taking them? Or how about focusing on things back home and spending those billions of dollars on improving the American health care system, finding jobs for the unemployed, improving the quality of life for its people?

(I agree with you there, take Darfur, something needs to be done)

These are simply my opinions and thought. Some of you will agree with me, others wont.  I use the term America and American in the broadest sense, not as a reference to its many residents but rather to the politicians and those in power. 

The thing is you think I agree with Bush, but I dont. However the US isnt evil, its our leaders who have the problem. Plus the Us does do alot to help. We went into afganistan for a reason, fight al quida. I still dont see why we went into iraq. but it wasnt for econimics, it was for a grudge that someones daddy had.

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="reservoir_doggy"]

[QUOTE="curono"]Seriously, Why does US makes so much fuzz about the nuclear bombs all around the world? USA has maybe the biggest NUCLEAR arsenal in the world and it is ok, but anyone but them attempts to get that technology and bombs are the worst thing in the world. That is hipocrisy.SaintLeonidas

Except for the whole we don't theaten to take out Europe thing. Seriously we will use them if we have to because other people might use them first, but we don't run around threatening to kill millions of people like some of these other countries. ...

The US isnt the only counntry with nukes, russia has them so do many others. The catch is the fact that we are logical countries. We dont try to exterminate other races, or wake up every moring wishing another country was gone. Iran, wants to destroy Isreal, North Korea is run by a power hungry dictator who wants south korea and the US gone. You cant put weapons that could killed hundreds of thousands of civilians into those peoples hands. The US, Russia wouldnt us nukes unless absolutely necessary. You make no sense with what your saying, its like saying that its okay to trust a child molester around children, he cant be trusted. If i said I wanted to kill you, would you let me in your house and give me a gun?

What villainy, you tried to make a statement about how we go after economic gain, yet you used two example, both werent back up worth good proof. We are evil country? We must be, we obviously dont allow freedom, or the right to vote. In another country you could be killed for the things you say, but i guess the US is still worse. Not like weve gone in to countries in attempts to save lives. Not like we dont supply millions in aid around the world, not like we help train troops from around the world and offer help to them. Not like we go after countries that attempt to invade another. You make no sense, defending faith and not money? yeah thats it, your so right. I mean, its not like every time we go into a place we try to liberate the people, give them a voice, loosen the strict rules they were forced to obey. Freedom means nothing to us, its all money. We have gained so much from Iraq, I mean those 400 billions weve spent on it sure have made us rich. Man, thats a awesome plan, lets invade more countries, spend billions to do so, lose lives, because then we gain economically. once we gain back the 400billin already spent.

Do you have any idea how many vietnamese died before we went in there. take iraq, thousands of iraqi civilains have died from us there. most of those not directly our faults, well millions died before that. when it comes to peace, trying to make other countries free, joining up for a safer world, stopping terrorism and trying to prevent another 9/11, the US has been a leading contributor. far more countiries around the world have done much, much , much worst things that have occured due to the us. and guess what, we try to stop those things from happening. To allow Iran nukes could lead to the death of millions. We used them once, we regret it. Now we want to prevent it from happening again, those we have now are for protection, in case a country like iran tries to nuke us, or another country we have means to defend our selfs. The genocides that occur around the world every day are far worst then any thing the US has done. But we also try to stop them from happening.

Did you not read were i wrote we regretted that, cause if yeah did youd relize you cant use it as a counter point, because i already accepted that as a fault. But even that, estimates show that more would of died if we hadnt dropped the bomb, and we tried attacking japan itself, so regret yes, but not really. The us has done to much towards spreading freedom, and working with countries with aid, and the UN to help others. Youve lost this debate. You said Iran should have nukes, we proved they cant be truted and want to kill millions. You said America was evil, weve proved that we have done some things, but the good things weve done out number them. You said we go in for econimic reasons, yet we proved that in no way has any of them been an economic gain, take iraq, weve spent 400 billion on the war, and Bush wants to spend even more.

More would have died from the US or the Japanese? When that bomb was dropped, it seemed that more Japanese died and less US. 

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="reservoir_doggy"]

[QUOTE="curono"]Seriously, Why does US makes so much fuzz about the nuclear bombs all around the world? USA has maybe the biggest NUCLEAR arsenal in the world and it is ok, but anyone but them attempts to get that technology and bombs are the worst thing in the world. That is hipocrisy.Mudig

Except for the whole we don't theaten to take out Europe thing. Seriously we will use them if we have to because other people might use them first, but we don't run around threatening to kill millions of people like some of these other countries. ...

The US isnt the only counntry with nukes, russia has them so do many others. The catch is the fact that we are logical countries. We dont try to exterminate other races, or wake up every moring wishing another country was gone. Iran, wants to destroy Isreal, North Korea is run by a power hungry dictator who wants south korea and the US gone. You cant put weapons that could killed hundreds of thousands of civilians into those peoples hands. The US, Russia wouldnt us nukes unless absolutely necessary. You make no sense with what your saying, its like saying that its okay to trust a child molester around children, he cant be trusted. If i said I wanted to kill you, would you let me in your house and give me a gun?

What villainy, you tried to make a statement about how we go after economic gain, yet you used two example, both werent back up worth good proof. We are evil country? We must be, we obviously dont allow freedom, or the right to vote. In another country you could be killed for the things you say, but i guess the US is still worse. Not like weve gone in to countries in attempts to save lives. Not like we dont supply millions in aid around the world, not like we help train troops from around the world and offer help to them. Not like we go after countries that attempt to invade another. You make no sense, defending faith and not money? yeah thats it, your so right. I mean, its not like every time we go into a place we try to liberate the people, give them a voice, loosen the strict rules they were forced to obey. Freedom means nothing to us, its all money. We have gained so much from Iraq, I mean those 400 billions weve spent on it sure have made us rich. Man, thats a awesome plan, lets invade more countries, spend billions to do so, lose lives, because then we gain economically. once we gain back the 400billin already spent.

Do you have any idea how many vietnamese died before we went in there. take iraq, thousands of iraqi civilains have died from us there. most of those not directly our faults, well millions died before that. when it comes to peace, trying to make other countries free, joining up for a safer world, stopping terrorism and trying to prevent another 9/11, the US has been a leading contributor. far more countiries around the world have done much, much , much worst things that have occured due to the us. and guess what, we try to stop those things from happening. To allow Iran nukes could lead to the death of millions. We used them once, we regret it. Now we want to prevent it from happening again, those we have now are for protection, in case a country like iran tries to nuke us, or another country we have means to defend our selfs. The genocides that occur around the world every day are far worst then any thing the US has done. But we also try to stop them from happening.

Did you not read were i wrote we regretted that, cause if yeah did youd relize you cant use it as a counter point, because i already accepted that as a fault. But even that, estimates show that more would of died if we hadnt dropped the bomb, and we tried attacking japan itself, so regret yes, but not really. The us has done to much towards spreading freedom, and working with countries with aid, and the UN to help others. Youve lost this debate. You said Iran should have nukes, we proved they cant be truted and want to kill millions. You said America was evil, weve proved that we have done some things, but the good things weve done out number them. You said we go in for econimic reasons, yet we proved that in no way has any of them been an economic gain, take iraq, weve spent 400 billion on the war, and Bush wants to spend even more.

More would have died from the US or the Japanese? When that bomb was dropped, it seemed that more Japanese died and less US. 

if we attacked japan and continued the war, about as many civilians that died by the bombing, well that many US soldiers would of been killed. the dropping was to prevent the lose of further soldiers, and speed up the ending of the war. plus the amount of civilains that died durng the war was higher than the amount killed on the bombing, so if the war continued, far more would of died.

[QUOTE="Lord_Daemon"]

Yeah! The Red Menace is back baby!

SaintLeonidas

The only good thing to come out of this is better Bond films.

The whole espionage genre in general will bounce back with a vengeance no doubt.  

He's bluffing. >_>Squidward117

I dont think so

RUSSIA: We are not facists....we are communists :evil:9mmSpliff

russia was stalinist, not communist

anyway

yay nuclear war!

And they say the Soviet Union fell 16 years ago...Bourbons3

It did ...:?