Same Sex Marriage/Rights Debate

This seems to be a heated issue, I want your opinions. And since I do not claim to be unbiased I will give you mine as well.

Many people argue that marriage is a religious institution and that the definition of marriage is a man and a woman. Others have problems with the economic ramifications of gay marriage. Others still just think that homosexuality is unnatural and should not be encouraged. I disagree with all of these claims, except for perhaps the definition, but I'll get to that in a second, and suggest that gay marriage should be legal and that people that are not gay should stop trying to interfere with other peoples' lives, as if it were their own lives.

*Point 1: Religious institution(man and a woman), anyone who is of the christian religion should know that their God(fyi I'm Catholic), does not judge each person against each other person's sins or shortcommings, God only judges you(if you believe in him) for your own sins and shortcommings, so if you are not gay and religious, then what two other people decide they want, should have nothing to do with you. Don't even pretend that the sanctity of marriage means anything today in the first place, in a country where the divorce rate is well above 50 percent we are denying the right for people that actually want to have marriage. It's ludicrous.

*Point 2: In the Netherlands they tried this and it gave them serious economic troubles, this goes to the very core of human rights, are we as a nation going to deny a specific group the rights that they deserve as American citizens because of their sexual orientation? It's un-American.

*Point 3: To those who believe that homosexuality is unnatural, I don't know, maybe they're right, maybe these people choose to live a life of bias, it would be the equivalent of someone choosing to be African American during the time when Black people were not allowed to marry White people, less than a hundred years ago in some areas.(In fact in some areas today it would be very frowned upon) The point I'm making is that people would not voluntarily choose to live a life of discrimination.

For the record, I'm a straight Catholic man living in Mississippi. Obviously this isn't a popular belief where I am from, but the ignorance is intolerable. I would like to hear some valid reasons why gay people should not be allowed to be married because I enjoy hearing opposing opinions.

Internet "debate" is futile.

I have no problem with them being together, but marriage is the binding of a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

I have no problem with them being together, but marriage is the binding of a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

soldine

If you love someone you should have the right to marry them assuming that no one is negatively effected in the process, and no one is.

I have no problem with them being together, but marriage is the binding of a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

I have no problem with them being together, but marriage is the binding of a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

I have no problem with them being together, but marriage is the binding of a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

soldine

Internet "debate" is futile.

-Iconoclast-

There are many passages of the old testament that are not followed in modern times.

In time, the new testament stands the chance of being replaced again. For this reason, I take what the bible says very lightly, and look to my own core sense of morality for guidance on these types of sensitive issues.

I feel as though ss mariage should be legal, but it should go by a different name.

I have no problem with them being together, but marriage is the binding of a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

There are many passages of the old testament that are not followed in modern times.

In time, the new testament stands the chance of being replaced again. For this reason, I take what the bible says very lightly, and look to my own core sense of morality for huidance on these types of sensitive issues.

I feel as though ss mariage should be legal, but it should go by a different name.

fiscope

I'm not religious at all but i would like to get married some day, i see it as commitment, a symbal if you will. Everyone should have that freedom and heck enjoy the economic benefits too. [QUOTE="soldine"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"] My question is why does it matter to you though? I completely understand your argument I've heard it before a hundred times, but the problem that I don't get is that if two men or two women married each other it wouldn't affect you at all. Your marriage(if you ever get one) would not be a same sex marriage, so it wouldn't be like you were upsetting God(or whatever reason) by your actions. Do you see my point?X360PS3AMD05

[QUOTE="soldine"]

I have no problem with them being together, but marriage is the binding of a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

THUMPTABLE

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]I'm not religious at all but i would like to get married some day, i see it as commitment, a symbal if you will. Everyone should have that freedom and heck enjoy the economic benefits too. [QUOTE="soldine"] It would affect me because it would affect the society im in. Marriage again is for a man and a woman to love eachother, have children and continue the family. What i dont understand is why homosexuals feel the need to marry eachother. They cannot continue a family, and therefore, dont need to marry. Again i have no problem with them being together because it is not their fault they are the way they are.soldine

P.s sorry that we are ganging up on you, you are the only one that disagrees that is talking it seems like, thank you for your input btw.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]I'm not religious at all but i would like to get married some day, i see it as commitment, a symbal if you will. Everyone should have that freedom and heck enjoy the economic benefits too. [QUOTE="soldine"] It would affect me because it would affect the society im in. Marriage again is for a man and a woman to love eachother, have children and continue the family. What i dont understand is why homosexuals feel the need to marry eachother. They cannot continue a family, and therefore, dont need to marry. Again i have no problem with them being together because it is not their fault they are the way they are.soldine

Its not their fault they were born like that.

It really isn't fair It's liek saying, you have brown hair, you should be locked in a mental hospital. Its not you're fault.

No im not saying they should be denied marriage, im simply saying that what is the point of being married if you do not plan on continuing your family with them. If a man and a woman just want to be together forever, then thats great! theres no need to get married

If you love a person enough to marry them why wouldnt you want to have children with themsoldine

Its not their fault they were born like that.

It really isn't fair It's liek saying, you have brown hair, you should be locked in a mental hospital. Its not you're fault.

Wolfetan

No im not saying they should be denied marriage, im simply saying that what is the point of being married if you do not plan on continuing your family with them. If a man and a woman just want to be together forever, then thats great! theres no need to get married

soldine

No im not saying they should be denied marriage, im simply saying that what is the point of being married if you do not plan on continuing your family with them. If a man and a woman just want to be together forever, then thats great! theres no need to get married

Honestly, I don't really care either way. I'm not homosexual nor is anyone I know homosexual, so homosexual marriage being illegal has no negative effects on me or anyone I care about.

That being said, gays marrying each other doesn't have negative effects on me either, so if they were allowed to marry, I wouldn't be bothered.

Of course they should be able to marry. GLBT rights are important, especially the marriage part. Whether or not it takes place in a place of worship or if it's done by a priest or what have you is totally up to that religious community.

Ya. People should have more rights.

I believe sam sex marriages should be granted.

No im not saying they should be denied marriage, im simply saying that what is the point of being married if you do not plan on continuing your family with them. If a man and a woman just want to be together forever, then thats great! theres no need to get married

soldine

Gay couples deserve equal rights. Period. However, I beleive society has the right to determine the term "marriage" and where it applies. There's no logical debate on the fact as to whether or not gays deserve the same rights. At least I haven't heard one.

[QUOTE="soldine"]If you love a person enough to marry them why wouldnt you want to have children with themSteveTabernacle

No im not saying they should be denied marriage, im simply saying that what is the point of being married if you do not plan on continuing your family with them. If a man and a woman just want to be together forever, then thats great! theres no need to get married

soldine

Hospital visitation rights is one example. Two people in a same-sex relationship but who are not married are not considered immediate family.

No im not saying they should be denied marriage, im simply saying that what is the point of being married if you do not plan on continuing your family with them. If a man and a woman just want to be together forever, then thats great! theres no need to get married

I am going to marry the missus in Oct this year (10/10/10 @ 11.00am) via a civil marriage, so no religious overtones what so ever.

I don't see why a gay couple can't do the same thing and then be considered a couple.

No im not saying they should be denied marriage, im simply saying that what is the point of being married if you do not plan on continuing your family with them. If a man and a woman just want to be together forever, then thats great! theres no need to get married

[QUOTE="soldine"]

No im not saying they should be denied marriage, im simply saying that what is the point of being married if you do not plan on continuing your family with them. If a man and a woman just want to be together forever, then thats great! theres no need to get married

madmidnight

[QUOTE="soldine"][QUOTE="madmidnight"] Marriage is a legal joining of two people and involves more than your thinking. For example hospital rights, life insurance rights, and other rights are granted by marriage are currently being denied to gay couples. Say your gay and your partner had an accident, you would NOT be able to see them in the hospital because your not considered family. That is wrong.madmidnight

[QUOTE="madmidnight"][QUOTE="soldine"] please read all of my posts before you post something about me, thankssoldine

I have no problem with them being together, but marriage is the binding of a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

soldine

I'd really like to know who decided this. Because I'm pretty sure this wasn't true a couple thousand years ago.

[QUOTE="soldine"][QUOTE="madmidnight"] Where did I post something about you? I read all of your posts and you said in nearly all of them that you believe marriage is pointless for homosexuals because they can't procreate. There is more to marriage than procreation. READ MY POST, I quoted it for you to make it easy. Also gay married couples would be able to adopt, and in the case of two women they could use artificial insemination. madmidnight

[QUOTE="soldine"][QUOTE="madmidnight"] Where did I post something about you? I read all of your posts and you said in nearly all of them that you believe marriage is pointless for homosexuals because they can't procreate. There is more to marriage than procreation. READ MY POST, I quoted it for you to make it easy. Also gay married couples would be able to adopt, and in the case of two women they could use artificial insemination. madmidnight

Segregation always works! :D Seperate but equal wooo

Marriage is for a man and a woman, nothing else.soldine

Why?

This is always stated without proof as though it were self-evident. 50 years ago you would find many people who thought that marriage is for a white man/woman or a colored man/woman, nothing else.

[QUOTE="soldine"]Marriage is for a man and a woman, nothing else.GabuEx

Why?

This is always stated without proof as though it were self-evident. 50 years ago you would find many people who thought that marriage is for a white man/woman or a colored man/woman, nothing else.

It is simply my opinion i did not ask you to agree with it it is what i believe, not what you believe. This thread wouldnt be much of a debate if everyone believed the same thingsoldine

But why is it your opinion?

I am not demanding that you agree with me; I am simply asking for your justification for that position... of which, presumably, you have one, no?

[QUOTE="madmidnight"][QUOTE="soldine"] I dont think you read all my posts because above i clearly said that gays could be joined together with similar rights to marriage.soldine