Same-sex marriage becomes legal in England and Wales

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#1 Trender_man
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23338279

Same-sex couples will be able to get married in England and Wales after new measures became law.

The government's controversial legislation on the issue received Royal Assent on Wednesday. The Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat leaderships all backed the proposals, which were finally approved by MPs and peers earlier this week.

MPs had voted 366 161 overwhelmingly in favour of passing the Marriage (Same Sex Couples Bill) in its third reading in the House of Commons giving it a majority of 205.

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That David Cameron fella is much better than his predecessors.
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Are there any videos or pics of angry muslims?

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Are there any videos or pics of angry muslims?

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Were there any, when the Supreme Court decided the case here in the states? Ok.
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Better late than never, Brits
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#6 Jebus213
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

Are there any videos or pics of angry muslims?

DevilMightCry

Were there any, when the Supreme Court decided the case here in the states? Ok.

 

But the UK has more angry muslims.

 

All we have is Michele Bachmann and other Jesus lovers to laugh at.

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#7 J4ck_The_R1pper
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Good on ya, Brits. Canada was on that train long befora you though..

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Do we need a new thread every time this happens?
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Good for them.
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Sooner or later it will be everywhere...
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Great news.

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*sigh*

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Maybe they can work on freedom of speech next.
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#14 Laihendi
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Or something else that actually matters.
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#15 lostrib
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Or something else that actually matters.Laihendi

i have a feeling this matters to gay people

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Republicans have a lot to learn from their counterpart in the UK.
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#17 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Or something else that actually matters.lostrib

i have a feeling this matters to gay people

Denying freedom of expression and freedom of economic transaction is what allows governments to control people. Granting homosexuals access to state-endorsed marriage does nothing to address these fundamental problems.

I am a homosexual who lives in a state where gay marriages are not recognized by the government, and I consider it to be a trivial issue that is exploited by politicians and the mainstream media to distract people from real problems.

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Maybe they can work on freedom of speech next.Laihendi
What do you mean?

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Or something else that actually matters.Laihendi

i have a feeling this matters to gay people

Denying freedom of expression and freedom of economic transaction is what allows governments to control people. Granting homosexuals access to state-endorsed marriage does nothing to address these fundamental problems.

I am a homosexual who lives in a state where gay marriages are not recognized by the government, and I consider it to be a trivial issue that is exploited by politicians and the mainstream media to distract people from real problems.

uh huh, yeah it's still something important to the gay community. Also you live in America, what do you care what Britain does?

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Why didn't it become legal in the entire U.K.? What's going on in Scotland and Northern Ireland?

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Maybe they can work on freedom of speech next.Aljosa23

What do you mean?

In the UK it is a criminal offense to offend someone. http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/15943-american-street-preacher-arrested-in-london-for-homophobic-speech http://twitchy.com/2013/05/24/outrageous-three-men-arrested-for-offensive-anti-islam-comments-after-woolwich-murder/ http://www.naturalnews.com/037984_free_speech_twitter_photos.html
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Maybe they can work on freedom of speech next.Laihendi

What do you mean?

In the UK it is a criminal offense to offend someone. http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/15943-american-street-preacher-arrested-in-london-for-homophobic-speech http://twitchy.com/2013/05/24/outrageous-three-men-arrested-for-offensive-anti-islam-comments-after-woolwich-murder/ http://www.naturalnews.com/037984_free_speech_twitter_photos.html

never use the natural news as a source

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

i have a feeling this matters to gay people

lostrib

Denying freedom of expression and freedom of economic transaction is what allows governments to control people. Granting homosexuals access to state-endorsed marriage does nothing to address these fundamental problems.

I am a homosexual who lives in a state where gay marriages are not recognized by the government, and I consider it to be a trivial issue that is exploited by politicians and the mainstream media to distract people from real problems.

uh huh, yeah it's still something important to the gay community. Also you live in America, what do you care what Britain does?

I do not deny that many homosexuals consider it to be highly important. That does not change the fact that legalizing marriage does not give the government any less meaningful control over their lives. They can still be arrested for saying the wrong thing, they still have their money taken from them by force, and from what I understand there are serious government surveillance issues in the UK as well. Also I am not especially interested in the UK. I am just saying that legalizing gay marriage there, or anywhere, is not as big of a deal as many like to make it out to be.
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Well, of course.

The USA is consistently the LAST country in the world to adhere to it's own founding principles or constitution.

 

Christ - we still have segregated PROMS in this country.

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Good, step in the right direction. Lai doesn't seem to understand that everything's last resort is force and that the government isn't unique in that aspect.
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Good news. 

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Why didn't it become legal in the entire U.K.? What's going on in Scotland and Northern Ireland?

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They have their own smaller government, like state governments in the USA. Under the UK Constitution the central government cannot rule on marriage, it must be done by each government individually. Scotland and NI will pass it though, soon enough.
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Denying freedom of expression and freedom of economic transaction is what allows governments to control people. Granting homosexuals access to state-endorsed marriage does nothing to address these fundamental problems.

I am a homosexual who lives in a state where gay marriages are not recognized by the government, and I consider it to be a trivial issue that is exploited by politicians and the mainstream media to distract people from real problems.

Laihendi

uh huh, yeah it's still something important to the gay community. Also you live in America, what do you care what Britain does?

I do not deny that many homosexuals consider it to be highly important. That does not change the fact that legalizing marriage does not give the government any less meaningful control over their lives. They can still be arrested for saying the wrong thing, they still have their money taken from them by force, and from what I understand there are serious government surveillance issues in the UK as well. Also I am not especially interested in the UK. I am just saying that legalizing gay marriage there, or anywhere, is not as big of a deal as many like to make it out to be.

 

Arrested for saying the wrong thing - What the hell are you talking about?

Have your money taken from you by force - What the hell are you talking about? 

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Arrested for saying the wrong thing What the hell are you talking about? Ninja-Hippo

Freedom of speech is supressed in the UK 

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Arrested for saying the wrong thing What the hell are you talking about? nomsayin

Freedom of speech is supressed in the UK 

No, no it isn't. Please stop talking ****. Please stop reading things on the internet so much. Please stop. Pls.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

uh huh, yeah it's still something important to the gay community. Also you live in America, what do you care what Britain does?

Ninja-Hippo

I do not deny that many homosexuals consider it to be highly important. That does not change the fact that legalizing marriage does not give the government any less meaningful control over their lives. They can still be arrested for saying the wrong thing, they still have their money taken from them by force, and from what I understand there are serious government surveillance issues in the UK as well. Also I am not especially interested in the UK. I am just saying that legalizing gay marriage there, or anywhere, is not as big of a deal as many like to make it out to be.

 

Arrested for saying the wrong thing - What the hell are you talking about?

Have your money taken from you by force - What the hell are you talking about? 

money taken by force=taxes i'm pretty sure

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] I do not deny that many homosexuals consider it to be highly important. That does not change the fact that legalizing marriage does not give the government any less meaningful control over their lives. They can still be arrested for saying the wrong thing, they still have their money taken from them by force, and from what I understand there are serious government surveillance issues in the UK as well. Also I am not especially interested in the UK. I am just saying that legalizing gay marriage there, or anywhere, is not as big of a deal as many like to make it out to be.lostrib

 

Arrested for saying the wrong thing - What the hell are you talking about?

Have your money taken from you by force - What the hell are you talking about? 

money taken by force=taxes i'm pretty sure

Oooooooh so he's a crazy person, my bad.
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

 

Arrested for saying the wrong thing - What the hell are you talking about?

Have your money taken from you by force - What the hell are you talking about? 

Ninja-Hippo

money taken by force=taxes i'm pretty sure

Oooooooh so he's a crazy person, my bad.

yeah...

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Now the rest of the world just has to follow...

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

uh huh, yeah it's still something important to the gay community. Also you live in America, what do you care what Britain does?

Ninja-Hippo

I do not deny that many homosexuals consider it to be highly important. That does not change the fact that legalizing marriage does not give the government any less meaningful control over their lives. They can still be arrested for saying the wrong thing, they still have their money taken from them by force, and from what I understand there are serious government surveillance issues in the UK as well. Also I am not especially interested in the UK. I am just saying that legalizing gay marriage there, or anywhere, is not as big of a deal as many like to make it out to be.

 

Arrested for saying the wrong thing - What the hell are you talking about?

Have your money taken from you by force - What the hell are you talking about? 

So you are saying that someone can have freedom of speech while also being arrested and imprisoned for saying something that is not allowed. Apparently you do not understand what freedom of speech means. When someone truly has freedom of speech, the only speech that is not to be tolerated is the threat of physical violence. Even in that case it is not the speech itself that warrants intervention, but the knowledge of violent intent that the speech demonstrates. Compulsory taxation executed by a functioning government requires, by necessity, the threat of physical force and the means of enforcing that threat if it becomes necessary. You can make an argument that one should not have freedom of speech, or one should not have freedom of money, but you cannot with any credibility claim that one can have freedom within limits imposed by a foreign body. To be free means to have no such limits.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] I do not deny that many homosexuals consider it to be highly important. That does not change the fact that legalizing marriage does not give the government any less meaningful control over their lives. They can still be arrested for saying the wrong thing, they still have their money taken from them by force, and from what I understand there are serious government surveillance issues in the UK as well. Also I am not especially interested in the UK. I am just saying that legalizing gay marriage there, or anywhere, is not as big of a deal as many like to make it out to be.lostrib

 

Arrested for saying the wrong thing - What the hell are you talking about?

Have your money taken from you by force - What the hell are you talking about? 

money taken by force=taxes i'm pretty sure

Compulsory taxation, not taxation in general.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] I do not deny that many homosexuals consider it to be highly important. That does not change the fact that legalizing marriage does not give the government any less meaningful control over their lives. They can still be arrested for saying the wrong thing, they still have their money taken from them by force, and from what I understand there are serious government surveillance issues in the UK as well. Also I am not especially interested in the UK. I am just saying that legalizing gay marriage there, or anywhere, is not as big of a deal as many like to make it out to be.Laihendi

 

Arrested for saying the wrong thing - What the hell are you talking about?

Have your money taken from you by force - What the hell are you talking about? 

So you are saying that someone can have freedom of speech while also being arrested and imprisoned for saying something that is not allowed. Apparently you do not understand what freedom of speech means. When someone truly has freedom of speech, the only speech that is not to be tolerated is the threat of physical violence. Even in that case it is not the speech itself that warrants intervention, but the knowledge of violent intent that the speech demonstrates. Compulsory taxation executed by a functioning government requires, by necessity, the threat of physical force and the means of enforcing that threat if it becomes necessary. You can make an argument that one should not have freedom of speech, or one should not have freedom of money, but you cannot with any credibility claim that one can have freedom within limits imposed by a foreign body. To be free means to have no such limits.

Doesn't seem like you understand UK speech laws very well for one. For another everything has the threat of physical force when you get down to it so crying that the government will eventually use violence means absolutely nothing. Freedom from limits imposed by a foreign body is an impossibility by the way. There's always something that will impose limits on you.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

 

Arrested for saying the wrong thing - What the hell are you talking about?

Have your money taken from you by force - What the hell are you talking about? 

Ace6301
So you are saying that someone can have freedom of speech while also being arrested and imprisoned for saying something that is not allowed. Apparently you do not understand what freedom of speech means. When someone truly has freedom of speech, the only speech that is not to be tolerated is the threat of physical violence. Even in that case it is not the speech itself that warrants intervention, but the knowledge of violent intent that the speech demonstrates. Compulsory taxation executed by a functioning government requires, by necessity, the threat of physical force and the means of enforcing that threat if it becomes necessary. You can make an argument that one should not have freedom of speech, or one should not have freedom of money, but you cannot with any credibility claim that one can have freedom within limits imposed by a foreign body. To be free means to have no such limits.

Doesn't seem like you understand UK speech laws very well for one. For another everything has the threat of physical force when you get down to it so crying that the government will eventually use violence means absolutely nothing.

No, not everything has the threat of physical force, and that is a ludicrous claim. My existence and actions do not threaten anyone with the initiation of physical force. I advocate force only as a means of self defense. That means force in reaction to an initiation of force, not the initiation itself. Individuals engaging in free trade do not threaten anyone with the initiation of physical force. That is, by definition, an act carried out voluntarily by all involved parties. Please explain to me what I do not understand about people in the UK being arrested for condemning homosexuality or Islam.
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Why do so many of these threads suddenly revert to Lai's unique look on the world? Also the only gay person I know who is completely disinterested in gay rights. Unless Elijah Wood is discussing gay rights. Then it's awesome.

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Why do so many of these threads suddenly revert to Lai's unique look on the world? Also the only gay person I know who is completely disinterested in gay rights. Unless Elijah Wood is discussing gay rights. Then it's awesome.

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Probably because I am one of the few people here who is willing to present a dissenting idea. This is not an especially intellectually diverse community. The same thing happens with Frank Zappa.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]No, not everything has the threat of physical force, and that is a ludicrous claim. My existence and actions do not threaten anyone with the initiation of physical force. I advocate force only as a means of self defense. That means force in reaction to an initiation of force, not the initiation itself. Individuals engaging in free trade do not threaten anyone with the initiation of physical force. That is, by definition, an act carried out voluntarily by all involved parties. Please explain to me what I do not understand about people in the UK being arrested for condemning homosexuality or Islam.

I mean every action at it's extreme has a threat of physical force. Go ahead and refuse to pay anything and see how it works out. Hell most companies are quicker to anger and more aggressive than any civilized government. You say your existence and actions do not threaten anyone but you've also said you'd be fine with putting down undesirables so...I kind of disagree as a lot of things you've said would case great harm to many.

Again you don't seem to get what the law regarding speech is in the UK. It isn't condemning homosexuality or Islam that is illegal, it's the incitement of hatred and supporting actions to cause harm to others.

Why do so many of these threads suddenly revert to Lai's unique look on the world? Also the only gay person I know who is completely disinterested in gay rights. Unless Elijah Wood is discussing gay rights. Then it's awesome.

jimkabrhel
Because most topics here are dull and correcting someone who is chronically wrong is more interesting than seeing people say "Good". If there was someone here who would rather talk about how gays don't deserve rights or something dumber than what Lai says than he'd get the attention. Lai really only gets attention because we've banned the more controversial members. Someone has to be the town fool.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]No, not everything has the threat of physical force, and that is a ludicrous claim. My existence and actions do not threaten anyone with the initiation of physical force. I advocate force only as a means of self defense. That means force in reaction to an initiation of force, not the initiation itself. Individuals engaging in free trade do not threaten anyone with the initiation of physical force. That is, by definition, an act carried out voluntarily by all involved parties. Please explain to me what I do not understand about people in the UK being arrested for condemning homosexuality or Islam.Ace6301
I mean every action at it's extreme has a threat of physical force. Go ahead and refuse to pay anything and see how it works out. Hell most companies are quicker to anger and more aggressive than any civilized government. You say your existence and actions do not threaten anyone but you've also said you'd be fine with putting down undesirables so...I kind of disagree as a lot of things you've said would case great harm to many.

 

Again you don't seem to get what the law regarding speech is in the UK. It isn't condemning homosexuality or Islam that is illegal, it's the incitement of hatred and supporting actions to cause harm to others.

Why do so many of these threads suddenly revert to Lai's unique look on the world? Also the only gay person I know who is completely disinterested in gay rights. Unless Elijah Wood is discussing gay rights. Then it's awesome.

jimkabrhel

Because most topics here are dull and correcting someone who is chronically wrong is more interesting than seeing people say "Good". If there was someone here who would rather talk about how gays don't deserve rights or something dumber than what Lai says than he'd get the attention. Lai really only gets attention because we've banned the more controversial members. Someone has to be the town fool.

1. If you refuse to pay for something you take then you are stealing someone's property. Theft is an act of aggression and the victim (or anyone acting on his behalf) is entirely justified in intervening, as such an intervention would be an act in defense of the victim. The distinction between theft and trade is apparently too nuanced for you to grasp, but I will say this again because it is true: free trade does not impose violence on anyone.

2. I have never condoned the initiation of coercion in any capacity against conscious individuals. What you are accusing me of is a falsity at best, and a lie at worst.

3. This man was arrested for his religious beliefs with regards to homosexuality. As far as I know he was not advocating violence against anyone. You cannot harm someone without the intitiation of violence.

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#43 Ace6301
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1. If you refuse to pay for something you take then you are stealing someone's property. Theft is an act of aggression and the victim (or anyone acting on his behalf) is entirely justified in intervening, as such an intervention would be an act in defense of the victim. The distinction between theft and trade is apparently too nuanced for you to grasp, but I will say this again because it is true: free trade does not impose violence on anyone.

2. I have never condoned the initiation of coercion in any capacity against conscious individuals. What you are accusing me of is a falsity at best, and a lie at worst.

3. This man was arrested for his religious beliefs with regards to homosexuality. As far as I know he was not advocating violence against anyone. You cannot harm someone without the intitiation of violence.

Laihendi
Then you must have no problem with taxes. You're using the services provided by the country by being inside of it and I know you've said you have used public schools your entire life as well as going to a state university. To say that you don't need to pay for services rendered is advocating theft according to your line of reason. You are free to leave the country if you choose and there are in fact regions of the world that are not taxed. "Against conscious individuals". The operative phrase there considering you've said young children, handicapped, having certain views and in one instance that being poor is enough to render someone not "conscious" in your view. He was not even charged let alone convicted.
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Great Britain has a official state sponsored church - gay marriage is legal.

USA found on secularism - gay marriage disputed for religious reasons.

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That David Cameron fella is much better than his predecessors. DevilMightCry
No he isn't
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#46 lowkey254
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There goes the neighborhood.

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#47 shadowkiller11
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Maybe they can work on freedom of speech next.Laihendi

What do you mean?

In the UK it is a criminal offense to offend someone. http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/15943-american-street-preacher-arrested-in-london-for-homophobic-speech http://twitchy.com/2013/05/24/outrageous-three-men-arrested-for-offensive-anti-islam-comments-after-woolwich-murder/ http://www.naturalnews.com/037984_free_speech_twitter_photos.html

Haha don't worry I can call you a **** or ***** or ***** with no effect.
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Good job England and Wales.

Wish Australia would get it's shit together.

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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Why do so many of these threads suddenly revert to Lai's unique look on the world? Also the only gay person I know who is completely disinterested in gay rights. Unless Elijah Wood is discussing gay rights. Then it's awesome.

Laihendi

Probably because I am one of the few people here who is willing to present a dissenting idea. This is not an especially intellectually diverse community. The same thing happens with Frank Zappa.

I think it's more that you and Zappa have this pig-headed insistence on shoving your philosophies into damn near every thread no matter how irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Why do so many of these threads suddenly revert to Lai's unique look on the world? Also the only gay person I know who is completely disinterested in gay rights. Unless Elijah Wood is discussing gay rights. Then it's awesome.

worlock77

Probably because I am one of the few people here who is willing to present a dissenting idea. This is not an especially intellectually diverse community. The same thing happens with Frank Zappa.

I think it's more that you and Zappa have this pig-headed insistence on shoving your philosophies into damn near every thread no matter how irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

Agreed.