Same-sex marriage becomes legal in England and Wales

[QUOTE="capaho"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Probably because I am one of the few people here who is willing to present a dissenting idea. This is not an especially intellectually diverse community. The same thing happens with Frank Zappa.Laihendi

Your ideas on gay marriage are not dissenting, they're irrational.  Your comments make no sense if they are truly coming from a gay person.  You come across as having absolutely no understanding of the discrimination and suffering gay people have to endure in their lives as a result of the ignorance and insensitivity of others.  There are times when I find myself wondering if you're really gay, or just claiming to be gay in order to garner some false credibility for the sake of arguing against gay rights.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

ever consider that people like the things taxes pay for? and that most are content to deal with things they don't like in exchange for the things they do? this is what countries are based on.

however in the ideal state there would be no taxes as the government would already control all resources.

LJS9502_basic

 1. You do not need compulsory taxation for any of those things. 2. You not wanting to turn YOUR back on the less fortunate does not give the government a right to take MY money to help them. If you want to help someone then engage in private charity with your own resources.Laihendi

You cannot prove either of your point because no societies exist based on voluntary taxation. Until that occurs, there is no evidence that such a society could operate the same as one with mandatory taxation for infrastructure, police and military.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] 1. You do not need compulsory taxation for any of those things. 2. You not wanting to turn YOUR back on the less fortunate does not give the government a right to take MY money to help them. If you want to help someone then engage in private charity with your own resources.jimkabrhel

You cannot prove either of your point because no societies exist based on voluntary taxation. Until that occurs, there is no evidence that such a society could operate the same as one with mandatory taxation for infrastructure, police and military.

I argue for universal human rights.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes you do. If you want them to actually work. It's idiotic to think money will just fall in place when and where it's needed. You went to public school did you not? Then you were helped. You are the most selfish person I've ever had the misfortune to encounter. And you haven't paid taxes....but you've benefited from them.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I argue for universal human rights.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I argue for universal human rights.Laihendi

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] A volitional taxation system could be achieved by having government function as an insurance program for legal contracts. A citizen would have to pay an established tax rate in order for the courts to recognize his legal contracts (business, property, etc.). The tax rate would have to be established so that it is high enough to fund a sufficient court system, police force, and military, but low enough so that people are willing to pay it. Obviously there would be research done to determine what rate would get the highest total revenues. As for money "falling into place" in things such as education, roads, or whatever else, in a private market a service is only provided where there is sufficient demand to justify that service being provided there. Schools will be built where people want schools, roads will be built where people want roads, etc. This is how it is with any service. No magic is necessary. Yes, I attended a public school. That is irrelevant. Public schools are still funded with stolen money and they should be (gradually) privatized.Laihendi

You live in society.  Society comes with a cost.  Period.  There is no "me" in society.

And voluntary is bull shit.  You have no evidence that that program would work.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The government can't appropriately defend the company if they have a limit. You speak nonsense. That has never happened and you have zero evidence that it would work. And if the people are less well off...they suffer. That is not how society should work. It should work for the good of all. When are you paying the school board back the taxpayers back the money it cost to educate you? You rail and scream about taxes while benefiting from them...and don't pay into them. You, sir, are a hypocrite and a blight on society.LJS9502_basic

You live in society.  Society comes with a cost.  Period.  There is no "me" in society.

And voluntary is bull shit.  You have no evidence that that program would work.

*sigh*

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Firstly, I am compelled to remind you that personal attacks do not refute the actual ideas exposited by the person you are attacking. Secondly, you do not own my life. You have no claim on my life. The only person with a claim on my life is me. If you are interested in achieving "the good of all" then it is fine you to strive towards that goal (despite it being a waste of time), but not at my expense. No man has the right to choose what others must live for. No man has the right to choose what values others must live by. Thirdly, it is a small-minded argument to say that "this has never been done before, therefore it can't be done". People would agree to fund a military appropriate for defending the country. That does not mean that they would be willing to fund global invasions and occupations of third world countries, but such acts of interventionism have nothing to do with national security. Again, under a volitional taxation system, anyone who does not pay taxes would not have his contracts recognized by the courts. Considering the need of having contracts recognized by a functioning judicial system, this would guarantee the government substantial revenue.Laihendi

You live in society.  Society comes with a cost.  Period.  There is no "me" in society.

And voluntary is bull shit.  You have no evidence that that program would work.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Firstly, I am compelled to remind you that personal attacks do not refute the actual ideas exposited by the person you are attacking. Secondly, you do not own my life. You have no claim on my life. The only person with a claim on my life is me. If you are interested in achieving "the good of all" then it is fine you to strive towards that goal (despite it being a waste of time), but not at my expense. No man has the right to choose what others must live for. No man has the right to choose what values others must live by. Thirdly, it is a small-minded argument to say that "this has never been done before, therefore it can't be done". People would agree to fund a military appropriate for defending the country. That does not mean that they would be willing to fund global invasions and occupations of third world countries, but such acts of interventionism have nothing to do with national security. Again, under a volitional taxation system, anyone who does not pay taxes would not have his contracts recognized by the courts. Considering the need of having contracts recognized by a functioning judicial system, this would guarantee the government substantial revenue.Laihendi

You live in society.  Society comes with a cost.  Period.  There is no "me" in society.

And voluntary is bull shit.  You have no evidence that that program would work.

What about Scotland and Ireland @_@.

What about Scotland and Ireland @_@.

nooblet69

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Eh....nice isn't selfish.LJS9502_basic

What about Scotland and Ireland @_@.

nooblet69

They still got morals.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] So you are saying that someone can have freedom of speech while also being arrested and imprisoned for saying something that is not allowed. Apparently you do not understand what freedom of speech means. When someone truly has freedom of speech, the only speech that is not to be tolerated is the threat of physical violence. Even in that case it is not the speech itself that warrants intervention, but the knowledge of violent intent that the speech demonstrates. Compulsory taxation executed by a functioning government requires, by necessity, the threat of physical force and the means of enforcing that threat if it becomes necessary. You can make an argument that one should not have freedom of speech, or one should not have freedom of money, but you cannot with any credibility claim that one can have freedom within limits imposed by a foreign body. To be free means to have no such limits.Laihendi

ever consider that people like the things taxes pay for? and that most are content to deal with things they don't like in exchange for the things they do? this is what countries are based on.

however in the ideal state there would be no taxes as the government would already control all resources.

You keep saying shit like this, but you're gigantic mooch yourself. You have no property of your own, you live off mommy and daddy and expect to until they pass away, at which point you except them to leave every thing of theirs to you (to such a degree that you've thrown tantrums on here at the mere question of "what if they don't?"), and you attend a public school, so byou're stealing the hard earned money of others. In other words - until you're out on your own and supporting yourself by your own efforts shut the f*ck up.

What about Scotland and Ireland @_@.

nooblet69

Well Ireland is an independent nation and Scotland, while being a part of the United Kingdom, has a degree of autonomy.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

ever consider that people like the things taxes pay for? and that most are content to deal with things they don't like in exchange for the things they do? this is what countries are based on.

 

however in the ideal state there would be no taxes as the government would already control all resources.

worlock77

You keep saying shit like this, but you're gigantic mooch yourself. You have no property of your own, you live off mommy and daddy and expect to until they pass away, at which point you except them to leave every thing of theirs to you (to such a degree that you've thrown tantrums on here at the mere question of "what if they don't?"), and you attend a public school, so byou're stealing the hard earned money of others. In other words - until you're out on your own and supporting yourself by your own efforts shut the f*ck up.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] I like that he's able to stay consistent ( most people can't do that ).. but can't say I agree with much lol. He's seems like a nice guy though.. which is all that really matters to me.. Even if he has some odd opinions. The_Lipscomb

I wouldn't say calling others "sub-human" is particularly nice or civil.

Sooner or later it will be everywhere...Hiddai

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Eh....nice isn't selfish.worlock77

I wouldn't say calling others "sub-human" is particularly nice or civil.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] At least he tries to argue in a somewhat civil fashion. Most people can't get past the name calling and insulting on this forum. nomsayin

I wouldn't say calling others "sub-human" is particularly nice or civil.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I argue for universal human rights.Laihendi

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"] At least he tries to argue in a somewhat civil fashion. Most people can't get past the name calling and insulting on this forum. nomsayin

I wouldn't say calling others "sub-human" is particularly nice or civil.

I might call someone a moron, an idiot or even a c*nt, but I'll never say that they're less than human because of their socio-economic status. I'm willing to bet most other in OT hold a similar view.

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Eh....nice isn't selfish.worlock77

I wouldn't say calling others "sub-human" is particularly nice or civil.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] The claim that "most people like this" is the argument the masses use to try to justify democratic rule, and it is an argument that you should know better than to make. With regards to how my money is spent, only my preferences are relevant. My life belongs solely to me, and so my property is solely my responsibility. Anyone who claims otherwise is a thief in spirit.majoras_wrath

You keep saying shit like this, but you're gigantic mooch yourself. You have no property of your own, you live off mommy and daddy and expect to until they pass away, at which point you except them to leave every thing of theirs to you (to such a degree that you've thrown tantrums on here at the mere question of "what if they don't?"), and you attend a public school, so byou're stealing the hard earned money of others. In other words - until you're out on your own and supporting yourself by your own efforts shut the f*ck up.

[QUOTE="nooblet69"]

What about Scotland and Ireland @_@.

GD1551

They still got morals.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Or something else that actually matters.Laihendi

i have a feeling this matters to gay people

I am a homosexual who lives in a state where gay marriages are not recognized by the government, and I consider it to be a trivial issue that is exploited by politicians and the mainstream media to distract people from real problems.

This is true but it's not just about getting married, it's about being treated like a human being. Equality is a massive cultural issue in a lot of western countries, whereas freedom of speech is a given in most of them.

[QUOTE="nomsayin"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I wouldn't say calling others "sub-human" is particularly nice or civil.

worlock77

I might call someone a moron, an idiot or even a c*nt, but I'll never say that they're less than human because of their socio-economic status. I'm willing to bet most other in OT hold a similar view.

sometimes LGBT group need to stop behaving like Martin Luther King. should Chillax a bithippiesanta

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="nomsayin"] Everyone insults others on here. can't really blame Lai when practically everyone else does it too in some fashion.

Laihendi

I might call someone a moron, an idiot or even a c*nt, but I'll never say that they're less than human because of their socio-economic status. I'm willing to bet most other in OT hold a similar view.