Sarah Kruzan: Sentenced to Life Without Parole at Age 16

That's why I don't kill people..in the US.

Murder is murder.

I'm not likely to pass judgment with just one side of the story there.duxup

[QUOTE="duxup"]I'm not likely to pass judgment with just one side of the story there.DSJR4

[QUOTE="DSJR4"][QUOTE="duxup"]I'm not likely to pass judgment with just one side of the story there.duxup

Wow, this is a very difficult thing to judge here. I'm really not sure how I would rule If I were the judge. It's a very touching story though that's for sure, and she obviously feels great remorse for what she did..........Just from my initial reactions though, I tend to lean in favor of the girl.

I'm not likely to pass judgment with just one side of the story there.duxup

When one commits a crime they are stuck with the consequences.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]When one commits a crime they are stuck with the consequences.KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]When one commits a crime they are stuck with the consequences.LJS9502_basic

It's not exactly an unbiased source you linked.

But I think it's kind of funny when people raised in normal middle-class familes pass judgement on someone who was abused her entire life.

It's not exactly an unbiased source you linked.

But I think it's kind of funny when people raised in normal middle-class familes pass judgement on someone who was abused her entire life.

LittleEnid

I won't shed a tear for a dead pimp. I'd have no issue with parole, assuming the state finds her capable of rejoining society.

The idea is to get rid of everyone You don't understand. Treating people or helping them costs stuff, and we live in an economy in which we can't trust people. So we have sentence for life and death penalty.
Sentencing someone to death is more expensive. So the people we do that for are essentially receiving special treatment. Apparently this girl was not worth special treatment.
If we were a little more advanced, maybe we could execute the criminals en masse. That might be more efficient.

[QUOTE="LittleEnid"]

It's not exactly an unbiased source you linked.

But I think it's kind of funny when people raised in normal middle-class familes pass judgement on someone who was abused her entire life.

LJS9502_basic

I'm describing the comfortable, stereo-typical American for sarcastic purposes.

Be less pretentious please.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LittleEnid"]

It's not exactly an unbiased source you linked.

But I think it's kind of funny when people raised in normal middle-class familes pass judgement on someone who was abused her entire life.

LittleEnid

I'm describing the comfortable, stereo-typical American for sarcastic purposes.

Be less pretentious please.

Is there an article on what happened? th3warr1or

[QUOTE="LittleEnid"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Economic conditions do not correlate to abuse. Middle class people can be abused. Also what is "normal".LJS9502_basic

I'm describing the comfortable, stereo-typical American for sarcastic purposes.

Be less pretentious please.

Maybe you should just share an opinion about the topic instead of misreading replies and then crawling up people's butts about it. I never asaid stereotyping was factual, but I seriously doubt every person that said they're glad this girl is spend the rest of her life in jail because "murder is murder" was raised by a crackhead. Hence the sarcastic stereotyping.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="LittleEnid"]

I'm describing the comfortable, stereo-typical American for sarcastic purposes.

Be less pretentious please.

LittleEnid

Maybe you should just share an opinion about the topic instead of misreading replies and then crawling up people's butts about it. I never asaid stereotyping was factual, but I seriously doubt every person that said they're glad this girl is spend the rest of her life in jail because "murder is murder" was raised by a crackhead. Hence the sarcastic stereotyping.

Maybe gass chambers would be more efficient?

Personally I don't think someone who kills a pimp that abuses her like that deserves any jail time for it, all they really need is consistent counciling which is typically a condition of parole anyways. I also think life without parole is being overused these days. Like the article said it's supposed to be for the worst offenders, people like serial killers and those who show no remorse for killing innocent victims, which this pimp was not. Parole doesn't even mean that the person WILL get out on parole, it means there will be a hearing to determine if they should somewhere down the line. I can think of very few instances in which the criminal in question shouldn't be at least granted a hearing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't they find she had premeditated the murder? When it's premeditated be prepared to face such a consequence, regardless of your motives. Obviously, I don't know the entire story here, but just from what I've seen I do think it's unusual she at 16 years old wasn't eligible for parole. theharlemshake

[QUOTE="LittleEnid"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Stereotyping does not mean it's factual.

LJS9502_basic

Maybe you should just share an opinion about the topic instead of misreading replies and then crawling up people's butts about it. I never asaid stereotyping was factual, but I seriously doubt every person that said they're glad this girl is spend the rest of her life in jail because "murder is murder" was raised by a crackhead. Hence the sarcastic stereotyping.

Nobody's arguing abuse is isolated to class, which I've clarified, and interestingly enough, no one but you has read it that way. I said it was a "stereotype." But if you're browsing the Gamespot forums, chances are you aren't living in the slums with a mom addicted to drugs.

Maybe we could encourage people who get life sentence to commit suicide. That way we save more money, right?
I mean, their lives are meaningless anyway, we don't have to pretend we don't kill them.

Nobody's arguing abuse is isolated to class, which I've clarified, and interestingly enough, no one but you has read it that way. I said it was a "stereotype." But if you're browsing the Gamespot forums, chances are you aren't living in the slums with a mom addicted to drugs.

LittleEnid

[QUOTE="LittleEnid"]

Nobody's arguing abuse is isolated to class, which I've clarified, and interestingly enough, no one but you has read it that way. I said it was a "stereotype." But if you're browsing the Gamespot forums, chances are you aren't living in the slums with a mom addicted to drugs.

LJS9502_basic

HAHAHA, how did I KNOW you would go there.

Please note:

chances are you aren't living in the slums with a mom addicted to drugs.

There's always going to be exceptions, but you know as well as I do that probably 98% of anyone browsing this aren't. Hence the likely CHANCE you don't live in that situation. Do you even KNOW what point you're trying to make?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="LittleEnid"]

Nobody's arguing abuse is isolated to class, which I've clarified, and interestingly enough, no one but you has read it that way. I said it was a "stereotype." But if you're browsing the Gamespot forums, chances are you aren't living in the slums with a mom addicted to drugs.

LittleEnid

HAHAHA, how did I KNOW you would go there.

Please note:

chances are you aren't living in the slums with a mom addicted to drugs.

There's always going to be exceptions, but you know as well as I do that probably 98% of anyone browsing this aren't. Hence the likely CHANCE you don't live in that situation. Do you even KNOW what point you're trying to make?

[QUOTE="LittleEnid"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]There are children of a drug addict that browse forums.:|

LJS9502_basic

HAHAHA, how did I KNOW you would go there.

Please note:

chances are you aren't living in the slums with a mom addicted to drugs.

There's always going to be exceptions, but you know as well as I do that probably 98% of anyone browsing this aren't. Hence the likely CHANCE you don't live in that situation. Do you even KNOW what point you're trying to make?

Are you seriously suggesting the majority of people in this forum have moms addicted to drugs?

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't they find she had premeditated the murder? When it's premeditated be prepared to face such a consequence, regardless of your motives. Obviously, I don't know the entire story here, but just from what I've seen I do think it's unusual she at 16 years old wasn't eligible for parole. theharlemshake

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Are you seriously suggesting the majority of people in this forum have moms addicted to drugs?

LittleEnid

When one commits a crime they are stuck with the consequences.LJS9502_basic

Eh... only true if the consequences are fair.

In any case, I really don't know enough about the case (I don't know anything about it except for what it says on the petition) to decide whether or not I think the consequences are fair... so I won't.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]When one commits a crime they are stuck with the consequences.chessmaster1989

Eh... only true if the consequences are fair.

In any case, I really don't know enough about the case (I don't know anything about it except for what it says on the petition) to decide whether or not I think the consequences are fair... so I won't.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]When one commits a crime they are stuck with the consequences.LJS9502_basic

Eh... only true if the consequences are fair.

In any case, I really don't know enough about the case (I don't know anything about it except for what it says on the petition) to decide whether or not I think the consequences are fair... so I won't.

Well, no, if the punishment is blatantly unfair they can appeal. ;)

Just because you committed a crime doesn't mean you should have to suffer unjust punishment. :|

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Eh... only true if the consequences are fair.

In any case, I really don't know enough about the case (I don't know anything about it except for what it says on the petition) to decide whether or not I think the consequences are fair... so I won't.

chessmaster1989

Well, no, if the punishment is blatantly unfair they can appeal. ;)

Just because you committed a crime doesn't mean you should have to suffer unjust punishment. :|

Edit: Quote An appellate court is a court that hears cases on appeal from another court. Depending on the particular legal rules that apply to each circumstance, a party to a court case who is unhappy with the result might be able to challenge that result in an appellate court on specific grounds. These grounds typically could include errors of law, fact, or procedure (in the United States, due process). Unquote

To get life without parole the murder must have been incredibly brutal, is there a serious reason why she didn't just go to the police and have the pimp face the legal system? She chose to brutally murder someone, instead of going to the police, and she'll have to face the consiquences of her actions/choices.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well no they are stuck whether they are fair or not. But I haven't any opinion on this case because there isn't enough evidence.LJS9502_basic

Well, no, if the punishment is blatantly unfair they can appeal. ;)

Just because you committed a crime doesn't mean you should have to suffer unjust punishment. :|

The irony of you saying that is killing me. :lol:

To get life without parole the murder must have been incredibly brutal, is there a serious reason why she didn't just go to the police and have the pimp face the legal system? She chose to brutally murder someone, instead of going to the police, and she'll have to face the consiquences of her actions/choices.

Andrew_Xavier

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Well, no, if the punishment is blatantly unfair they can appeal. ;)

Just because you committed a crime doesn't mean you should have to suffer unjust punishment. :|

chessmaster1989

The irony of you saying that is killing me. :lol:

To get life without parole the murder must have been incredibly brutal, is there a serious reason why she didn't just go to the police and have the pimp face the legal system? She chose to brutally murder someone, instead of going to the police, and she'll have to face the consiquences of her actions/choices.

Andrew_Xavier

She was a prostitute. Is there a way she can go to the police and say "arrest my pimp" without basically pleading guilty herself?

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

To get life without parole the murder must have been incredibly brutal, is there a serious reason why she didn't just go to the police and have the pimp face the legal system? She chose to brutally murder someone, instead of going to the police, and she'll have to face the consiquences of her actions/choices.

Oleg_Huzwog

She was a prostitute. Is there a way she can go to the police and say "arrest my pimp" without basically pleading guilty herself?

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

To get life without parole the murder must have been incredibly brutal, is there a serious reason why she didn't just go to the police and have the pimp face the legal system? She chose to brutally murder someone, instead of going to the police, and she'll have to face the consiquences of her actions/choices.

DSJR4

She was a prostitute. Is there a way she can go to the police and say "arrest my pimp" without basically pleading guilty herself?