Sarah Kruzan: Sentenced to Life Without Parole at Age 16

You know when you were a kid and you retaliated by hitting the other kid, even though the other kid probably deserved it, the teacher's would say "You should have just told me about it and you wouldn't be in trouble." Well, this is basically a grown up version of that. Z0MBIES

You know when you were a kid and you retaliated by hitting the other kid, even though the other kid probably deserved it, the teacher's would say "You should have just told me about it and you wouldn't be in trouble." Well, this is basically a grown up version of that. Z0MBIES

[QUOTE="Z0MBIES"]You know when you were a kid and you retaliated by hitting the other kid, even though the other kid probably deserved it, the teacher's would say "You should have just told me about it and you wouldn't be in trouble." Well, this is basically a grown up version of that. clicketyclick

Whoa whoa whoa. Now, I'll admit I'm not a psychologist (as I'm sure you would too), and I know that being abused can change your perspective of things and we've all heard of that syndrome where the abused actually becomes attached to the abuser (probably what happened in that Dugard case) and all sorts of other strange mental states that most people can't comprehend. But from a law standpoint, my post applies. The law doesn't particularly care about the motives (the abuse) unless it changes it to a different kind of crime (with your basic murder in the heat of the moment, premeditated and hate). Now, in this case she was shown to have premeditated the murder, which she undoubtedly knew was bad.

Now, in her psychological state she probably thought it was the only way to get out of situation, and it did, just probably not exactly what she was planning on though. In the eyes of the law she had many other options that she did not exhaust. I know this probably isn't fair, but it is the way it is, and without it, there would be too much gray area in a field that really should be as black and white as possible.

Like I said before I believe the 13 years she served before was enough. They are acting as if she is a cold blooded serial killer. She did what she had to do to get away from him. It is not like she did not serve any time at all. 13 years is a long time when you think about everything together.GrandJury

[QUOTE="Z0MBIES"]You know when you were a kid and you retaliated by hitting the other kid, even though the other kid probably deserved it, the teacher's would say "You should have just told me about it and you wouldn't be in trouble." Well, this is basically a grown up version of that. clicketyclick

America is barbaric in many ways.Memberino

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="Z0MBIES"]You know when you were a kid and you retaliated by hitting the other kid, even though the other kid probably deserved it, the teacher's would say "You should have just told me about it and you wouldn't be in trouble." Well, this is basically a grown up version of that. LJS9502_basic

Murder is murder to me. maheo30

[QUOTE="Memberino"]America is barbaric in many ways.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Memberino"]America is barbaric in many ways.Memberino

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="Z0MBIES"]You know when you were a kid and you retaliated by hitting the other kid, even though the other kid probably deserved it, the teacher's would say "You should have just told me about it and you wouldn't be in trouble." Well, this is basically a grown up version of that. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Memberino"] Oh what a delightfully obtuse and simplistic response, might I add predictable also? Its no wonder you have such a huge post count posting replies like that.Memberino

[QUOTE="Memberino"]America is barbaric in many ways.LJS9502_basic

I would like to continue discussion with you about this, but it'll have to wait till tomorrow. Is that ok? And no, I have in no way attempted to appeal to emotion, but rather, sufficient objective understanding of real psychological conditions (i.e. learned helplessness, abused woman syndrome, etc.). I may be guilty of attempting to appeal to your intuition though. That would be a fair charge, and I would like to appeal to it more directly tomorrow or on wednesday, if you're up to it. ;)clicketyclick

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Memberino"]America is barbaric in many ways.GrandJury

[QUOTE="LittleEnid"]

It's not exactly an unbiased source you linked.

But I think it's kind of funny when people raised in normal middle-class familes pass judgement on someone who was abused her entire life.

LJS9502_basic

That's such an incredibly unfair question >_> hahah But I'm torn on this situation as using abuse as an excuseable reason for somethings. What matters is how you focus that energy....Wasn't it Oprah that had a horrible childhood? And look how she turned out..

Murder is murder.

clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Murder is murder.

danwallacefan

At age 16 she should have been aware of the potential consequences before she acted. At the end, the law is the law.mo0ksi

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Murder is murder.

Memberino

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]At age 16 she should have been aware of the potential consequences before she acted. At the end, the law is the law.auron_16

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]At age 16 she should have been aware of the potential consequences before she acted. At the end, the law is the law.auron_16

[QUOTE="auron_16"][QUOTE="mo0ksi"]At age 16 she should have been aware of the potential consequences before she acted. At the end, the law is the law.Memberino

[QUOTE="auron_16"][QUOTE="mo0ksi"]At age 16 she should have been aware of the potential consequences before she acted. At the end, the law is the law.GrandJury

That excuse is far too over used "easy to say when your not in that situation" if we always followed that hardly anyone would be arrested.

Murder is murder, and that's one side of the story...;)Ceneb

[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="auron_16"] /thread. that's all there is to it.bacon_is_sweet

That excuse is far too over used "easy to say when your not in that situation" if we always followed that hardly anyone would be arrested.

[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="auron_16"] /thread. that's all there is to it.bacon_is_sweet

That excuse is far too over used "easy to say when your not in that situation" if we always followed that hardly anyone would be arrested.

There has to be more to the story that that petition isn't telling us. American juries (I say American because I'm only familiar with American politics) are extremely sympathetic towards children and kids often get off with ridiculously light sentences. Furthermore, American juries are vehemently anti-pedo. If all there was to this story was "girl gets molested by pedophile pimp and used as a child prostitute for years on end, then kills him to end it all" there's no way in hell she would have gotten a life sentence, much less any sentence at all. If I had to take a guess I'd say that in reality her motive had nothing to do with the molestation or pimping, and was probably some sort of financial or control dispute, and the jury was made aware of this fact by the prosecution. There's also probably a good chance this wasn't a simple murder either, but was instead a rather involved and excessive slaughter.

There has to be more to the story that that petition isn't telling us. American juries (I say American because I'm only familiar with American politics) are extremely sympathetic towards children and kids often get off with ridiculously light sentences. Furthermore, American juries are vehemently anti-pedo. If all there was to this story was "girl gets molested by pedophile pimp and used as a child prostitute for years on end, then kills him to end it all" there's no way in hell she would have gotten a life sentence, much less any sentence at all. If I had to take a guess I'd say that in reality her motive had nothing to do with the molestation or pimping, and was probably some sort of financial or control dispute, and the jury was made aware of this fact by the prosecution. There's also probably a good chance this wasn't a simple murder either, but was instead a rather involved and excessive slaughter.

gameguy6700

There has to be more to the story that that petition isn't telling us. American juries (I say American because I'm only familiar with American politics) are extremely sympathetic towards children and kids often get off with ridiculously light sentences. Furthermore, American juries are vehemently anti-pedo. If all there was to this story was "girl gets molested by pedophile pimp and used as a child prostitute for years on end, then kills him to end it all" there's no way in hell she would have gotten a life sentence, much less any sentence at all. If I had to take a guess I'd say that in reality her motive had nothing to do with the molestation or pimping, and was probably some sort of financial or control dispute, and the jury was made aware of this fact by the prosecution. There's also probably a good chance this wasn't a simple murder either, but was instead a rather involved and excessive slaughter.

gameguy6700

sounds just to me *feels stupid* I clicked the one where they killed the baby...but yeah, there's not much info for me to understand fully what happened, but it doesn't seem very fair considering what she had went through, and it could've even been an accident.

Ah yes, 60 years in prison for killing your pimp, totally just.Memberino

[QUOTE="Memberino"]Ah yes, 60 years in prison for killing your pimp, totally just.InEMplease

What if she castrated him first, and then burned his body to ashes, or worse? We can;t say, because we DON'T know.