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[QUOTE="TommyWieseau81"]Hopefully that "fire in her belly" is stomach cancer and she wont be able to run.airshocker
That's a tad harsh.
i agree. i find it sickening that people wish death on her simply because they disagree with her. i think the real monsters are her opponents wishing she has cancer.just a fun fact....rush and beck get what 20 million listeners a day? clearly she isnt unpopular and neither is conservative tv and news.good Palin run you will give Obama a bigger chance to win
Idiots like Hannity and Levin will support her and those that believe them will support Palin.
Palin helped tarnish the race in Maryland for governor and because of her we have Mr. New Americans having another term
I really dislike her as a former republican I can honestly say and I am not saying this about HER PERSONALLY but she is a hugh problem to the republican party that will only backfire on them like the tea party
fueled-system
[QUOTE="airshocker"]i agree. i find it sickening that people wish death on her simply because they disagree with her. i think the real monsters are her opponents wishing she has cancer.[QUOTE="TommyWieseau81"]
That's a tad harsh.
kayoticdreamz
just a fun fact....rush and beck get what 20 million listeners a day? clearly she isnt unpopular and neither is conservative tv and news.I listen to rush and I dont support her so your argument there is false..good Palin run you will give Obama a bigger chance to win
Idiots like Hannity and Levin will support her and those that believe them will support Palin.
Palin helped tarnish the race in Maryland for governor and because of her we have Mr. New Americans having another term
I really dislike her as a former republican I can honestly say and I am not saying this about HER PERSONALLY but she is a hugh problem to the republican party that will only backfire on them like the tea party
fueled-system
My conservative friend said he would not vote 2012 if palin was the nominee.
Not every conservative likes her and independents clearly hate her...
I really hope she doesn't. Right now the Republican party is suffering from a deficit of sanity. Palin would only increase that deficit. -Sun_Tzu-
And the Democrat party is clicking on all cylinders? They haven't even come to terms with the fact that we're sky high in debt.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I really hope she doesn't. Right now the Republican party is suffering from a deficit of sanity. Palin would only increase that deficit. QuistisTrepe_
And the Democrat party is clicking on all cylinders? They havent even come to terms with the fact that we're sky high in debt.
I don't think I mentioned the Democratic party, and I'm far from a fan of said party, but since you mentioned them the Democratic party is at least somewhat grounded in reality. The GOP seems to have boxed itself in to this ideological corner that is completely divorced from reality, and that really is going to make it difficult for Republicans to govern effectively without having to face the wrath of their base. And I say this as a voter who until recent years voted for the GOP on more than one occasion. Now I'm not even going to consider them, and the way things look I'm probably not going to be considering them for some time.Well Obama's approval rating right now is below what it was at this point for the last 3 presidents; one of those presidents didn't win reelection and another just barely squeaked by. He's about the same as where Clinton was at, though.I don't think he's a shoe-in for reelection at this point by any means. A lot could change in the next year and a half though.
[QUOTE="airshocker"][QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]That might be true, but 90% of the country is employed and I don't know how much unemployment is going to affect their vote.Ace6301
Our unemployment doesn't take into account those who have stopped looking for work. So unemployment is in the double digits in some places.
Sounds like those Bush tax cuts sure are making the rich make more jobs for the normal people then. whew. good thing they kept em in place. i'd hate to think how many jobs could have been lost from 2008-2009 before they were in effe... oh wait.[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I really hope she doesn't. Right now the Republican party is suffering from a deficit of sanity. Palin would only increase that deficit. -Sun_Tzu-
And the Democrat party is clicking on all cylinders? They havent even come to terms with the fact that we're sky high in debt.
I don't think I mentioned the Democratic party, and I'm far from a fan of said party, but since you mentioned them the Democratic party is at least somewhat grounded in reality. The GOP seems to have boxed itself in to this ideological corner that is completely divorced from reality, and that really is going to make it difficult for Republicans to govern effectively without having to face the wrath of their base. And I say this as a voter who until recent years voted for the GOP on more than one occasion. Now I'm not even going to consider them, and the way things look I'm probably not going to be considering them for some time.Are you so sure about that? I find it odd that so many Senators are suddenly jumping ship at this juncture. Perhaps the Republican party isn't as far removed from reality as you want to believe, or what your world view allows you to accept. As far as their base, you're talking about pockets of their support, not the necessarily the mainsteam, let alone the waves of independents that abandoned Obama this past November.
As for Palin, I think this is a lot of hot air. She doens't have the backbone to run, not now.
I don't think I mentioned the Democratic party, and I'm far from a fan of said party, but since you mentioned them the Democratic party is at least somewhat grounded in reality. The GOP seems to have boxed itself in to this ideological corner that is completely divorced from reality, and that really is going to make it difficult for Republicans to govern effectively without having to face the wrath of their base. And I say this as a voter who until recent years voted for the GOP on more than one occasion. Now I'm not even going to consider them, and the way things look I'm probably not going to be considering them for some time.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]
And the Democrat party is clicking on all cylinders? They havent even come to terms with the fact that we're sky high in debt.
QuistisTrepe_
Are you so sure about that? I find it odd that so many Senators are suddenly jumping ship at this juncture. Perhaps the Republican party isn't as far removed from reality as you want to believe, or what your world view allows you to accept. As far as their base, you're talking about pockets of their support, not the necessarily the mainsteam, let alone the waves of independents that abandoned Obama this past November.
As for Palin, I think this is a lot of hot air. She doens't have the backbone to run, not now.
What Senators are jumping ship from what? And as far as the power of their base goes, you look at the GOP field of candidates and potential candidates and there's only one moderate (Romney) who has a chance at winning the nomination, and he's doing everything he possibly can do to divorce himself from his history of being a moderate. Hell, even Newt Gingrich of all people isn't conservative enough anymore for many Republicans. It's remarkable.[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I don't think I mentioned the Democratic party, and I'm far from a fan of said party, but since you mentioned them the Democratic party is at least somewhat grounded in reality. The GOP seems to have boxed itself in to this ideological corner that is completely divorced from reality, and that really is going to make it difficult for Republicans to govern effectively without having to face the wrath of their base. And I say this as a voter who until recent years voted for the GOP on more than one occasion. Now I'm not even going to consider them, and the way things look I'm probably not going to be considering them for some time. -Sun_Tzu-
Are you so sure about that? I find it odd that so many Senators are suddenly jumping ship at this juncture. Perhaps the Republican party isn't as far removed from reality as you want to believe, or what your world view allows you to accept. As far as their base, you're talking about pockets of their support, not the necessarily the mainsteam, let alone the waves of independents that abandoned Obama this past November.
As for Palin, I think this is a lot of hot air. She doens't have the backbone to run, not now.
What Senators are jumping ship from what? And as far as the power of their base goes, you look at the GOP field of candidates and potential candidates and there's only one moderate (Romney) who has a chance at winning the nomination, and he's doing everything he possibly can do to divorce himself from his history of being a moderate. Hell, even Newt Gingrich of all people isn't conservative enough anymore for many Republicans. It's remarkable.What Senators? Have you been paying attention at all to the news? Conrad, Webb, Kohl, Bingaman, Lieberman (caucuses with Dems) are all leaving the stage.
Yes the GOP field is weak, but having control of both houses of Congress can level the playing field quickly and it's looking more likely that the Republicans may capture the Senate in 2012. You've got it all wrong about Romney and Gingrich. Both of them were caught red-handed in double-speak and have very little credibility, political ideology has little to do with it. They weren't very good candidates regardless of poliical affiliation. Romney has never had a realisitc chance of winning the nomination. Even his recent desparate attempt to marry himself to MA's universal healthcare system and defend it isn't getting him anywhere.
For the second consecutive time, I likely won't have anyone to support for president. The better candidates are all holding off until 2016. I left Office of President blank on my ballot in '08 and I may do it again. I'll have to look more into this Mitch Daniels guy, but without someone like Chris Christie running, both parties have hardly anything to offer.
What Senators are jumping ship from what? And as far as the power of their base goes, you look at the GOP field of candidates and potential candidates and there's only one moderate (Romney) who has a chance at winning the nomination, and he's doing everything he possibly can do to divorce himself from his history of being a moderate. Hell, even Newt Gingrich of all people isn't conservative enough anymore for many Republicans. It's remarkable.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]
Are you so sure about that? I find it odd that so many Senators are suddenly jumping ship at this juncture. Perhaps the Republican party isn't as far removed from reality as you want to believe, or what your world view allows you to accept. As far as their base, you're talking about pockets of their support, not the necessarily the mainsteam, let alone the waves of independents that abandoned Obama this past November.
As for Palin, I think this is a lot of hot air. She doens't have the backbone to run, not now.
QuistisTrepe_
What Senators? Have you been paying attention at all to the news? Conrad, Webb, Kohl, Bingaman, Lieberman (caucuses with Dems) are all leaving the stage.
Yes the GOP field is weak, but having control of both houses of Congress can level the playing field quickly and it's looking more likely that the Republicans may capture the Senate in 2012. You've got it all wrong about Romney and Gingrich. Both of them were caught red-handed in double-speak and have very little credibility, political ideology has little to do with it. They weren't very good candidates regardless of poliical affiliation. Romney has never had a realisitc chance of winning the nomination. Even his recent desparate attempt to marry himself to MA's universal healthcare system and defend it isn't getting him anywhere.
For the second consecutive time, I likely won't have anyone to support for president. The better candidates are all holding off until 2016. I left Office of President blank on my ballot in '08 and I may do it again. I'll have to look more into this Mitch Daniels guy, but without someone like Chris Christie running, both parties have hardly anything to offer.
How are those senators retirement from the senate relevant to this discussion at all?And as for the GOP field of candidates - yes they are weak, but I never said anything about their strength. I only brought up their ideological make-up, and there's a surprising lack of viable moderates (an argument can be made that at this point in time the idea of a "viable moderate" GOP nominee is an oxymoron). The reason why Romney has gotten so much heat is for ideological reasons. The reason why Gingrich has gotten so much heat thus far is for ideological reasons. The GOP has taken a sharp turn to the right while at the same time ignoring political realities that will hinder their political success and reality in general. They seem to be operating in their own universe by their own rules.
Blah, I don't care anymore. If Obama wins its still a loser of two evils victory. I'd give anything to have proporental reprenstation in this country like in Europe. If we had that then we could elect a few real socialists and we could stop hearing a capitalist front man like Obama be called one. The only person who ever runs that I could get behind is Kucinich.
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