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It's no novelty knowing that Saudi Arabia is major supporter of several terrorist groups. If there's any country that should be wiped off the map is this one.
Masculus
- The Saudis must agree to price all of their oil sales in U.S. dollars only (in other words, the Saudis were to refuse all other currencies, except the U.S. dollar, as payment for their oil exports).
- The Saudis would be open to investing their surplus oil proceeds in U.S. debt securities.
Fully agree. I lived there for six years and hated it. Savages.It's no novelty knowing that Saudi Arabia is major supporter of several terrorist groups. If there's any country that should be wiped off the map is this one.
Masculus
Russia has to make sure there are no gay people in the Olympics first before they attack Saudi Arabia.
Priorities.
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It's no novelty knowing that Saudi Arabia is major supporter of several terrorist groups. If there's any country that should be wiped off the map is this one.
Saturos3091
[QUOTE=""] "Also"? He already said they support terrorists, that's kind of redundant.
That's some pretty ugly information to have leaked. Â Of course I'm sure the Saudis will deny any of this openly.
But this is the kind of stuff that goes on behind the scenes - the ugly side of politics we're not supposed to see. Â It's known that Saudi Arabia does back Islamic terrorist groups including those in Syria, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had connections to the Chechen groups as well (some of whom have apparently been winding up in Syria on the side of the rebels as well).
Russia is not going to budge over this kind of stuff though - they have their own hand at play.Â
Russia is as normal on the wrong wide....Screw me I can't help my self.
--Anna--
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Russia may be on the wrong wide, but they're not necessarily on the wrong side.
Actually Russia is on the side of reason this time, its the west and America who again again again havent learned that Democracy cant be forced and also that the groups fighting in Syria are not "rebels" they are islamic terrorists. So wrong, this time its America who is on the wrong side.Russia is as normal on the wrong wide....Screw me I can't help my self.
--Anna--
First off I find the source suspect. Never mind the way the two seem to talk to each other is surreal. The wiki leaks docs I've read of Saudi isn't anything like this article depicts. Lastly Saudi doesn't have direct/indirect control of the Chechen jihadists. SaudiFuryThere are other source for this as well. The Saudi's have been supporting/controlling the chechen's since the 90s, and Russia is well aware of that. But to threaten Russia like this and expect no consequences is very foolish. Putin doesn't take terrorism lightly, he is known to retaliate, just read up on what he does to the terrorists, like the Moscow bombing ones.
[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]First off I find the source suspect. Never mind the way the two seem to talk to each other is surreal. The wiki leaks docs I've read of Saudi isn't anything like this article depicts. Lastly Saudi doesn't have direct/indirect control of the Chechen jihadists. musclesergeThere are other source for this as well. The Saudi's have been supporting/controlling the chechen's since the 90s, and Russia is well aware of that. But to threaten Russia like this and expect no consequences is very foolish. Putin doesn't take terrorism lightly, he is known to retaliate, just read up on what he does to the terrorists, like the Moscow bombing ones.
show me where the Chechens take their orders from Saudi's then i'll believe you. individual wealthy Saudi's or even isolated princes do not constitute controlling them either, nor Saudi government endorsement of it either.
Saudi would have a better time trying to buy off Russia in some deal on oil or some sort of political deal, but threats of terrorism isn't what Saudi does. The Saudi government is opaque purposely so because of the culture and being an absolute monarchy with various half-brothers with different agendas (the King may have final say but he cannot control their every waking moment either).
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The best way to understand how the Saudi's operate internationally is to apply game theory, whilst bearing in mind occam's razor "that which asks more questions then answers is most likely not true".
What i'm seeing here is mostly confirmation bias on the part of GS OT crew. "Ofcourse the Saudi's are behind it, why is anyone surprised".
and before someone says it. I'm not saying Saudi doesn't or hasn't ever supported Jihadists / terrorists, they were patrons to the then Taliban government of Afghanistan, and are - openly so - to the Salafi Jihadist groups in Syria running amok right now.
but in this one case, i think it's false.it rings false to me. That's why i said it before, i've followed and read as much as i've can get my hands on how the Saudi monarchy operates, and these sort of threats isn't their way of dealing with opposing nations. Think Jabba The Hut more, less Osama Bin Laden.
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If Saudi wants to get back at Russia for upsetting it, it won't be through terrorism, it'll be through economics or politics.
There are other source for this as well. The Saudi's have been supporting/controlling the chechen's since the 90s, and Russia is well aware of that. But to threaten Russia like this and expect no consequences is very foolish. Putin doesn't take terrorism lightly, he is known to retaliate, just read up on what he does to the terrorists, like the Moscow bombing ones.[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="SaudiFury"]First off I find the source suspect. Never mind the way the two seem to talk to each other is surreal. The wiki leaks docs I've read of Saudi isn't anything like this article depicts. Lastly Saudi doesn't have direct/indirect control of the Chechen jihadists. SaudiFury
show me where the Chechens take their orders from Saudi's then i'll believe you. individual wealthy Saudi's or even isolated princes do not constitute controlling them either, nor Saudi government endorsement of it either.
Saudi would have a better time trying to buy off Russia in some deal on oil or some sort of political deal, but threats of terrorism isn't what Saudi does. The Saudi government is opaque purposely so because of the culture and being an absolute monarchy with various half-brothers with different agendas (the King may have final say but he cannot control their every waking moment either).
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The best way to understand how the Saudi's operate internationally is to apply game theory, whilst bearing in mind occam's razor "that which asks more questions then answers is most likely not true".
What i'm seeing here is mostly confirmation bias on the part of GS OT crew. "Ofcourse the Saudi's are behind it, why is anyone surprised".
and before someone says it. I'm not saying Saudi doesn't or hasn't ever supported Jihadists / terrorists, they were patrons to the then Taliban government of Afghanistan, and are - openly so - to the Salafi Jihadist groups in Syria running amok right now.
but in this one case, i think it's false.it rings false to me. That's why i said it before, i've followed and read as much as i've can get my hands on how the Saudi monarchy operates, and these sort of threats isn't their way of dealing with opposing nations. Think Jabba The Hut more, less Osama Bin Laden.
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If Saudi wants to get back at Russia for upsetting it, it won't be through terrorism, it'll be through economics or politics.
You want me to show you a link that links a government to a terrorist group, officially? Are you living on this planet? http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/04/fbi-intercepted-terror-financing-of-chechen-guerrillas-through-saudis-2513092.html Heres a link to show that the chechens get funding from the Saudis, btw funding in this cases also implies control.How can you even think of such thing? We're not only Muslims, but Arabs as well. We actually understand what the word "Mujahid" means, in language and religion. Other than that, you can't deny how large the part Arabian peoples play in the movement, and how much support it gets, that's why a lot of Saudis identify with Muslim-world issues (Syrian revolution, Arakani genocide, Egyptian coup etc), and why some of the more higher ups feel they are in control (they're not, nobody is). But yeah, I'm not shocked to hear such statements, KSA is actually not as unitarian on top. There are different levels of power and status in government (especially between royals and non-royal officials, then comes between who's older and have better royal blood), Al Tuwaijri and Saud Al Faisal are not like Bandar bin Sultan, for instance. They all operate individualistically, and would say very different things from one another on a Russian table.rofl don't believe Saudis or anyone else would say such a thing, whats further funny that if Saudis really think they can control mujahideen :lol:
Harisemo
[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="muscleserge"] There are other source for this as well. The Saudi's have been supporting/controlling the chechen's since the 90s, and Russia is well aware of that. But to threaten Russia like this and expect no consequences is very foolish. Putin doesn't take terrorism lightly, he is known to retaliate, just read up on what he does to the terrorists, like the Moscow bombing ones.muscleserge
show me where the Chechens take their orders from Saudi's then i'll believe you. individual wealthy Saudi's or even isolated princes do not constitute controlling them either, nor Saudi government endorsement of it either.
Saudi would have a better time trying to buy off Russia in some deal on oil or some sort of political deal, but threats of terrorism isn't what Saudi does. The Saudi government is opaque purposely so because of the culture and being an absolute monarchy with various half-brothers with different agendas (the King may have final say but he cannot control their every waking moment either).
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The best way to understand how the Saudi's operate internationally is to apply game theory, whilst bearing in mind occam's razor "that which asks more questions then answers is most likely not true".
What i'm seeing here is mostly confirmation bias on the part of GS OT crew. "Ofcourse the Saudi's are behind it, why is anyone surprised".
and before someone says it. I'm not saying Saudi doesn't or hasn't ever supported Jihadists / terrorists, they were patrons to the then Taliban government of Afghanistan, and are - openly so - to the Salafi Jihadist groups in Syria running amok right now.
but in this one case, i think it's false.it rings false to me. That's why i said it before, i've followed and read as much as i've can get my hands on how the Saudi monarchy operates, and these sort of threats isn't their way of dealing with opposing nations. Think Jabba The Hut more, less Osama Bin Laden.
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If Saudi wants to get back at Russia for upsetting it, it won't be through terrorism, it'll be through economics or politics.
Heres a link to show that the chechens get funding from the Saudis, btw funding in this cases also implies control.lolno
Chechens, terrorists or not, want to secede from the federation, just because they get financial aid from KSA doesn't mean KSA controls them (as much as they would love to).
Mujahideen will (and do) fight with sticks and stones if they want to. They still die as a mujahid, a shaheed, that's the whole idea behind it. Although I doubt those of the Taliban school counts, with their faulty teachings and all, but it's not up to me.
I smell a brewing world war.Shottayouth13-
I smell a joint East-West coalition bitch-slap on the mid-east because both sides are tired of these games.
You guys do know that, despite the saber-rattling, Russia is pretty much an ally now, right?
Eventually they (saudi arabia, or whatever) are going to threaten and bluff one too many times and we (the civilized world...US, Russia, Europe) are gonna be like "**** it" and they will realize we have been playing nice all these years.
I am so sick of these miserable ****s. Â It all comes down to money, as always.
Why? Saudi Arabia hates homosexuals just as much as Russia does. Russia might as well let its fellow bigot nation do the work for it.Russia has to make sure there are no gay people in the Olympics first before they attack Saudi Arabia.
Priorities.
Netherscourge
I smell a brewing world war.Shottayouth13-
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I cannot tell with what weapons World War III will be fought, but I know that World war IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
The Middle East today is like Japan or Germany was in the 40's.
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They're just the douchebags of the world.
[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]I smell a brewing world war.mrbojangles25
I smell a joint East-West coalition bitch-slap on the mid-east because both sides are tired of these games.
You guys do know that, despite the saber-rattling, Russia is pretty much an ally now, right?
Eventually they (saudi arabia, or whatever) are going to threaten and bluff one too many times and we (the civilized world...US, Russia, Europe) are gonna be like "**** it" and they will realize we have been playing nice all these years.
I am so sick of these miserable ****s. Â It all comes down to money, as always.
And then comes the territory war over who gets which nation.
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