Link Last week, just before the anniversary of the Prophet Muhammad's birth, Hamza Kashgari, a 23-year-old Saudi writer in Jidda, took to his Twitter feed to reflect on the occasion. "On your birthday, I will say that I have loved the rebel in you, that you've always been a source of inspiration to me, and that I do not like the halos of divinity around you. I shall not pray for you," he wrote in one tweet. "On your birthday, I find you wherever I turn. I will say that I have loved aspects of you, hated others, and could not understand many more," he wrote in a second. "On your birthday, I shall not bow to you. I shall not kiss your hand. Rather, I shall shake it as equals do, and smile at you as you smile at me. I shall speak to you as a friend, no more," he concluded in a third. Twitter quickly flooded with responses to Kashgari, registering more than 30,000 within a day. He was accused of blasphemy, and enraged Saudis called for his death. By the time he removed the tweets and issued a long apology, backtracking on his comments and begging for forgiveness, the danger had already expanded beyond the Web. Someone posted Kashgari's home address in a YouTube video, and, his friends say, vigilantes came looking for him at his local mosque. The Saudi information minister banned Kashgari's local newspaper column and barred outlets across the country from publishing his work. Nasser al-Omar, an influential cleric, called for him to be tried in a Sharia court for apostasy, which is punishable by death. Other leading clerics decried Kashgari on their own, and Saudi Arabia's council of senior scholars issued a rare and harshly worded communique condemning him and his tweets and demanding that he be put on trial. Yesterday, Saudi Arabia's leading news site, SABQ, reported that the king himself had issued a warrant for Kashgari's arrest.
Hmmm, I really don't think this is justifiable in Islam itself. The act itself maybe considered blasphemy yes, but that's about it. I maybe wrong though, don't quote me on that.
country is at least 100 years behind modern nations socially. this sort of "believe in my god or you will die" mentality should have died out long ago.
country is at least 100 years behind modern nations socially. this sort of "believe in my god or you will die" mentality should have died out long ago.
IZoMBiEI
As long as religion exists, that mentality will never die out.
Unfortunately, most people who are ignorant of Islam expect it to be a "tolerant" religion.Basically, everybody says it's a peaceful religion, but if that's true then why do we see people constantly committing violent acts in it's name?
Christianity does not = dark ages and witch hunts, that is just people using religion to control everyone. Christianity is not about using the government to enforce beliefs, etc. The bad part in this video is he was begging for forgiveness, he should of said "blow it out your a@@@@@@!"
Unfortunately, most people who are ignorant of Islam expect it to be a "tolerant" religion.Basically, everybody says it's a peaceful religion, but if that's true then why do we see people constantly committing violent acts in it's name?I dunno. I'm inclined to believe that anyone who doesn't think Islam is violent has a mental deficiency of some sort.
country is at least 100 years behind modern nations socially. this sort of "believe in my god or you will die" mentality should have died out long ago.
Blue-Sky
As long as religion exists, that mentality will never die out.
Yeah those Amish people just won't stop terrorizing us will they?
country is at least 100 years behind modern nations socially. this sort of "believe in my god or you will die" mentality should have died out long ago.
IZoMBiEI
He didn't even take the conversation to God. He simply stated that Muhammad was not divine. In jail you go. These nations that follow Sharia law will always lag far behind the rest of the world.
As long as religion exists, that mentality will never die out.Blue-Sky
Nah. Just as long as people who don't understand that other people have their own beliefs that might be different from one's own, then that mentality will never die out. You make it seem as if every religious person in the world... all 5+ billion of them... are violent, intolerant individuals out to kill anyone who thinks different from them.
]Basically, everybody says it's a peaceful religion, but if that's true then why do we see people constantly committing violent acts in it's name?TopTierHustler
"The actions of a few are indicative of them all!" This is the exact same generalizing that the religious extremists use to justify their hatred of other groups.
He didn't even take the conversation to God. He simply stated that Muhammad was not divine. In jail you go. These nations that follow [Wahhabist interpretation of] Sharia law will always lag far behind the rest of the world.limpbizkit818
[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]]Basically, everybody says it's a peaceful religion, but if that's true then why do we see people constantly committing violent acts in it's name?foxhound_fox
"The actions of a few are indicative of them all!" This is the exact same generalizing that the religious extremists use to justify their hatred of other groups.He's talking about the religion in general, not individual members of a religion. Either way your argument is faulty since you can believe in a fascist ideology and not commit violence yourself. People like you are part of the problem because they try to deflect the discussion away from criticism of Islam.
[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]He didn't even take the conversation to God. He simply stated that Muhammad was not divine. In jail you go. These nations that follow [Wahhabist interpretation of] Sharia law will always lag far behind the rest of the world.foxhound_fox
Fixed.I don't think you fixed anything. Why should any form of Sharia law be tolerated in the 21st centrury?
[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]]Basically, everybody says it's a peaceful religion, but if that's true then why do we see people constantly committing violent acts in it's name?foxhound_fox
"The actions of a few are indicative of them all!" This is the exact same generalizing that the religious extremists use to justify their hatred of other groups.except we don't see these extremists from other religions. Something about that religion is producing violence.
[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]He didn't even take the conversation to God. He simply stated that Muhammad was not divine. In jail you go. These nations that follow [Wahhabist interpretation of] Sharia law will always lag far behind the rest of the world.foxhound_fox
Fixed. So you're fine with its use in Iran? Or it's "tailored" use in Egypt? These countries walk down a dangerous path when they set the religious law as the law of the land......
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]]Basically, everybody says it's a peaceful religion, but if that's true then why do we see people constantly committing violent acts in it's name?TopTierHustler
"The actions of a few are indicative of them all!" This is the exact same generalizing that the religious extremists use to justify their hatred of other groups.except we don't see these extremists from other religions. Something about that religion is producing violence.
People like you are part of the problem because they try to deflect the discussion away from criticism of Islam.paratheos
Lol. Yes, lets criticize a whole group based on the actions and interpretations of a few. Brilliant. This is just an excuse to forward an anti-religious agenda. [QUOTE="limpbizkit818"] So you're fine with its use in Iran? Or it's "tailored" use in Egypt? These countries walk down a dangerous path when they set the religious law as the law of the land...... Sharia Law is meant to be applied solely within the Islamic religious community... not the national, political community. If you actually read about Sharia you would know this. It is the laws and regulations for the ummah alone, not others outside the ummah. Like I said... I fixed what you said since the extremist Wahhabist movement that originated in Saudi Arabia and spread throughout the major Islamic world (the Afghan Taliban were formed by a group of Wahhabists).
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] "The actions of a few are indicative of them all!" This is the exact same generalizing that the religious extremists use to justify their hatred of other groups.worlock77
except we don't see these extremists from other religions. Something about that religion is producing violence.
What was worse was he retracted his statements.foxhound_fox
this, its one thing to post those things, and i applaud him for saying "'i will celebrate him as an equal, not as a deity" but if thats how he truly feels then he should stand by his words and not backtrack on them because of fear
[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]except we don't see these extremists from other religions. Something about that religion is producing violence.
paratheos
Eric Robert Rudolph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks That's when combined about 7500 deaths. Compare that to the death caused by the illegal invasion of Iraq by the United States and its coalition of the willing, which was/is (aftermath) over 1000000 (conservative estimates 600000).
You're also ignoring history. Why is there terrorist attack in the first place? Maybe you should ask youself that first.
You remind me of Canned Worms, he would also constantly post any news that would paint Muslims in a negative light.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]What was worse was he retracted his statements.linkin_guy109
this, its one thing to post those things, and i applaud him for saying "'i will celebrate him as an equal, not as a deity" but if thats how he truly feels then he should stand by his words and not backtrack on them because of fear Yea, what's the worst thing they could do to him? kill h.. Sh!t.
No you fuking liar. Muslims commit terrorist attacks because they are intolerant of other religions. Are you telling me that muslims kill buddhists and christians because of the actions of the west? Do sunni murder shia because of the west? Nice try, muslim apologist.
[QUOTE="m25105"]Because of the actions of the west. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xpOscuv2S4 Why do muslims want to kill this journalist who disrespected muhammad? Because of the west?
As long as religion exists, that mentality will never die out.
airshocker
That's a tad harsh. That mentality doesn't exist in Western nations, which are still fairly religious.
Westerns nations are becoming incredibly secular. The U.S. may have a strong religious political party but that only because most Americans pretend to be under the banner of Christianity when they don't practice or follow the religion at all. The average Christian is not nearly as religious as the average Muslim and most would put the U.S. Constitution over the bible. Most Western nations besides the US are overwhelmingly secular with Atheist-majority states like Denmark, Sweden and Norway having the highest rates of morality.
Which leads me to believe that the less religious a nation is, the higher the morality and ethics.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] "The actions of a few are indicative of them all!" This is the exact same generalizing that the religious extremists use to justify their hatred of other groups.worlock77
except we don't see these extremists from other religions. Something about that religion is producing violence.
That has nothing to do with the topic.......SF_KiLLaMaN
It actually has quite a bit to do with it. The point he was making is that hating on Islam is in vogue right now. Before 9/11 I don't think anyone could have cared any less about what Muslims were doing. Hell, The US allied itself with Saudi Arabia for oil despite knowing full well what their political and ideological positions were. And where did Osama bin Laden come from? Saudi Arabia. Born, raised and financed. And the US is *still* allied with them despite this fact.
[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]That has nothing to do with the topic.......foxhound_fox
It actually has quite a bit to do with it. The point he was making is that hating on Islam is in vogue right now. Before 9/11 I don't think anyone could have cared any less about what Muslims were doing. Hell, The US allied itself with Saudi Arabia for oil despite knowing full well what their political and ideological positions were. And where did Osama bin Laden come from? Saudi Arabia. Born, raised and financed. And the US is *still* allied with them despite this fact. None of that is relative to the topic though. They want to execute someone for not having faith in Muhammad. It's is simply not right to do such a thing. The U.S. or the west has nothing to do with this story. What does it matter what we think of Muslims? It's not related to the topic.
[QUOTE="m25105"]Because of the actions of the west.paratheos
No you fuking liar. Muslims commit terrorist attacks because they are intolerant of other religions. Are you telling me that muslims kill buddhists and christians because of the actions of the west? Do sunni murder shia because of the west? Nice try, muslim apologist. Read a book for crying out loud.
Under Islamic Law, this man is not worthy of recieving a punishment, and that's final.
Just like all of those brainwashed idiots in Afghanistan that stone women after accusing them of adultery, when infact, that punishment is only passed when there were 2 witnesses of the act. Not only that, they can't just be anybody of the street, they have to be two trustworthy people, who are appointed by the court.
If you study Islam, you would know that even explosives during war in most cases are Haram.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]That has nothing to do with the topic.......SF_KiLLaMaN
It actually has quite a bit to do with it. The point he was making is that hating on Islam is in vogue right now. Before 9/11 I don't think anyone could have cared any less about what Muslims were doing. Hell, The US allied itself with Saudi Arabia for oil despite knowing full well what their political and ideological positions were. And where did Osama bin Laden come from? Saudi Arabia. Born, raised and financed. And the US is *still* allied with them despite this fact. None of that is relative to the topic though. They want to execute someone for not having faith in Muhammad. It's is simply not right to do such a thing. The U.S. or the west has nothing to do with this story. What does it matter what we think of Muslims? It's not related to the topic.
So then why do several people still talk about what they think of Muslims? I am simply responding to them. It's a discussion.
Under Islamic Law, this man is not worthy of recieving a punishment, and that's final.
Just like all of those brainwashed idiots in Afghanistan that stone women after accusing them of adultery, when infact, that punishment is only passed when there were 2 witnesses of the act. Not only that, they can't just be anybody of the street, they have to be two trustworthy people, who are appointed by the court.
If you study Islam, you would know that even explosives during war in most cases are Haram.
D4W1L4H
LMAO. and that makes it somehow better? Yeah, it's OK guys, they don't stone women for adultery, well, they do, there just needs to be credible witnesses. What a joke. Until the way of thinking in the middle east changes they will always be looked down upon.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] It actually has quite a bit to do with it. The point he was making is that hating on Islam is in vogue right now. Before 9/11 I don't think anyone could have cared any less about what Muslims were doing. Hell, The US allied itself with Saudi Arabia for oil despite knowing full well what their political and ideological positions were. And where did Osama bin Laden come from? Saudi Arabia. Born, raised and financed. And the US is *still* allied with them despite this fact.OB-47
None of that is relative to the topic though. They want to execute someone for not having faith in Muhammad. It's is simply not right to do such a thing. The U.S. or the west has nothing to do with this story. What does it matter what we think of Muslims? It's not related to the topic.
So then why do several people still talk about what they think of Muslims? I am simply responding to them. It's a discussion.
First of all, you didn't quote anybody, leaving me and everyone else to believe that you were responding to the topic. What you said wasn't relevant to the topic. The moral of the story is, if you want to respond to a specific poster and not the topic, quote that poster.
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