Scenario: You have the power to immediately legalize Marijuana.

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#51 BornDEAD92
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Even though I like alcohol myself, I would ban that. Less idiots on the road.
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#52 bbkkristian
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Even though I like alcohol myself, I would ban that. Less idiots on the road.BornDEAD92
Being High on the road is terribly unsafe on the road as well, and its also illegal in the state of CA (don't know about others)
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#53 worlock77
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Ban tobacco? Ban alcohol? Serious? Everyone drinks. Millions smoke. Ban either and it'll cause more problems then legalization can solve. I wouldn't legalize marijuana either because alcohol alone causes enough problems already, its just that we can't get rid of it because it's been around for thousands of years and has always been legal.

Chickity_China

Moot argument. Marijuana has been around for thousands of years and has always, until the last century, been legal. And if the problems that are caused by the prohibition of marijuana should be evident to anyone willing to objectively look at the situation.

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#54 British_Azimio
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Why in the hell would I want to create a new black market by prohibiting either of the two most used substances in the world?

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#55 UCF_Knight
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I'd keep it the way it is. Keep marijuana illegal. Of course this has the downside of OT hating me... but, oh well.
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#56 Gibsonsg527
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[QUOTE="BornDEAD92"]Even though I like alcohol myself, I would ban that. Less idiots on the road.bbkkristian
Being High on the road is terribly unsafe on the road as well, and its also illegal in the state of CA (don't know about others)

Haha I dirve better high than sober. MJ dosen't impare you mortor skills.

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#57 th3warr1or
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I'd ban tobacco.
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#58 SolidSnake35
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No, I wouldn't. But I would ban tobacco...
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#59 mohfrontline
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if I had to ban one, cigarettes for sure. I like alcohol lol.
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#60 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]I'd keep it the way it is. Keep marijuana illegal. Of course this has the downside of OT hating me... but, oh well.

Unless you're an avid fan of homosexuality, transsexuals, drugs and atheism... OT will hate you.
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#61 Chickity_China
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[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

Ban tobacco? Ban alcohol? Serious? Everyone drinks. Millions smoke. Ban either and it'll cause more problems then legalization can solve. I wouldn't legalize marijuana either because alcohol alone causes enough problems already, its just that we can't get rid of it because it's been around for thousands of years and has always been legal.

worlock77

Moot argument. Marijuana has been around for thousands of years and has always, until the last century, been legal. And if the problems that are caused by the prohibition of marijuana should be evident to anyone willing to objectively look at the situation.

Moot argument. Alcohol has been prevalent in all major cultures for way longer than marijuana. The fact that marijuana became illegal in the US meant that there weren't enough people who gave a crap about it at the time unlike with alcohol.

The problem with marijuana prohibition is that there are too many who break the law which makes their persecution too costly resource consuming. That to me means penalties aren't harsh enough.

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#62 Postal_Guy
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what if its already legal?

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#63 OldTopics
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

Ban tobacco? Ban alcohol? Serious? Everyone drinks. Millions smoke. Ban either and it'll cause more problems then legalization can solve. I wouldn't legalize marijuana either because alcohol alone causes enough problems already, its just that we can't get rid of it because it's been around for thousands of years and has always been legal.

Chickity_China

Moot argument. Marijuana has been around for thousands of years and has always, until the last century, been legal. And if the problems that are caused by the prohibition of marijuana should be evident to anyone willing to objectively look at the situation.

Moot argument. Alcohol has been prevalent in all major cultures for way longer than marijuana. The fact that marijuana became illegal in the US meant that there weren't enough people who gave a crap about it at the time unlike with alcohol.

The problem with marijuana prohibition is that there are too many who break the law which makes their persecution too costly resource consuming. That to me means penalties aren't harsh enough.

Arent harsh enough? its a victimless crime, no different than smoking cigs or drinking beer
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#64 Saturos3091
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That to me means penalties aren't harsh enough.

Chickity_China

Yeah, we need to put every user of marijuana in jail for life! Also, tax cuts for everybody!

Marijuana has been prevalent in ancient cultures just as long as alcohol has. You want to spend more money incarcerating people who use a harmless drug?

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#65 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

Ban tobacco? Ban alcohol? Serious? Everyone drinks. Millions smoke. Ban either and it'll cause more problems then legalization can solve. I wouldn't legalize marijuana either because alcohol alone causes enough problems already, its just that we can't get rid of it because it's been around for thousands of years and has always been legal.

Chickity_China

Moot argument. Marijuana has been around for thousands of years and has always, until the last century, been legal. And if the problems that are caused by the prohibition of marijuana should be evident to anyone willing to objectively look at the situation.

Moot argument. Alcohol has been prevalent in all major cultures for way longer than marijuana. The fact that marijuana became illegal in the US meant that there weren't enough people who gave a crap about it at the time unlike with alcohol.

The problem with marijuana prohibition is that there are too many who break the law which makes their persecution too costly resource consuming. That to me means penalties aren't harsh enough.

- Then going by your logic there weren't enough people who gave a crap about alcohol when it was outlawed. Obviously we know that isn't the case.

- Yeah, we should just start giving people the needle for an activity that harms no one apart from maybe themselves.

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#66 shadowkiller11
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Keep Mariguana illegal and ban tobacco both are idiotic (haters gonna hate) going to moan and b*tch about it but I don't care as it seems people grow mariguana themselves anyway.
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#67 Murj
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I'd be the dumbest man alive if I banned either of those things just to legalize marijiuana.

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#68 Commander-Gree
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I'd do it and probably ban tobacco. It is debatable which is worse for your health, alcohol or tobacco, but I'm pretty sure it is tobacco. And I know that marijuana is probably healthier than both of them.
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#69 dkdk999
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I don't think I would ban any one of them at the expense of the others.
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#70 weezyfb
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Ban tobacco of course.the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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#71 Chickity_China
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[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Moot argument. Marijuana has been around for thousands of years and has always, until the last century, been legal. And if the problems that are caused by the prohibition of marijuana should be evident to anyone willing to objectively look at the situation.

worlock77

Moot argument. Alcohol has been prevalent in all major cultures for way longer than marijuana. The fact that marijuana became illegal in the US meant that there weren't enough people who gave a crap about it at the time unlike with alcohol.

The problem with marijuana prohibition is that there are too many who break the law which makes their persecution too costly resource consuming. That to me means penalties aren't harsh enough.

- Then going by your logic there weren't enough people who gave a crap about alcohol when it was outlawed. Obviously we know that isn't the case.

- Yeah, we should just start giving people the needle for an activity that harms no one apart from maybe themselves.

No kidding. Hence why prohibition was rapidly repealed. Duh.

Indeed. Maybe then they would think twice. What keeps me from smoking is that I know one drug test at the wrong time would ruin my career. I'm sure if everyone faced a serious consequence like that less people would smoke.

And it's not a victimless crime. Do any of you know all the crazy **** alcohol causes? We don't need weed adding to the problem any more.

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#72 RK-Mara
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Then I wouldn't do it. We already had prohibition once and it didn't work. Neither will it work with tobacco just like it doesn't work with marijuana.
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#73 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Chickity_China"]

Moot argument. Alcohol has been prevalent in all major cultures for way longer than marijuana. The fact that marijuana became illegal in the US meant that there weren't enough people who gave a crap about it at the time unlike with alcohol.

The problem with marijuana prohibition is that there are too many who break the law which makes their persecution too costly resource consuming. That to me means penalties aren't harsh enough.

Chickity_China

- Then going by your logic there weren't enough people who gave a crap about alcohol when it was outlawed. Obviously we know that isn't the case.

- Yeah, we should just start giving people the needle for an activity that harms no one apart from maybe themselves.

No kidding. Hence why prohibition was rapidly repealed. Duh.

Indeed. Maybe then they would think twice. What keeps me from smoking is that I know one drug test at the wrong time would ruin my career. I'm sure if everyone faced a serious consequence like that less people would smoke.

And it's not a victimless crime. Do any of you know all the crazy **** alcohol causes? We don't need weed adding to the problem any more.

- So you yourself acknowledge that prohibition was a stunning failure. What makes you think is such a great idea for marijuana?

- Drug tests are stupidly easy to pass. I've never known anyone to fail one and I know a s***ton of pot smokers.

- So what kind of crazy **** does marijuana cause? Aside from the increasing sales for local pizza places.

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#74 ghoklebutter
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I would ban neither.

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#75 Cherokee_Jack
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Tobacco, I guess. At least that would make a bit more sense from a scientific standpoint, but it would still be wrong.

Then again, isn't tobacco more addictive? I guess that could cause a lot of trouble and maybe make the illegal activities around it more widespread.

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#76 Blacklight2
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I would not legalize Marijuana.
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#77 Rutzfuz
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Ban tobacco, but people will find a way to make their own cigaretts.

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#78 MathMattS
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Um...no. I don't want to trade one problem for another.

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#79 Cherokee_Jack
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Ban tobacco, but people will find a way to make their own cigaretts.

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They already do, lol.

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#80 dunl12496
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I'd ban tobacco.

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#81 dunl12496
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I'd ban alcohol, but ideally I'd like all three to be legal.KHAndAnime

This is why we need to look at history. Remember prohibition? Alcohol is something EVERYONE takes. You can't make it illegal.

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#83 Ramen1020
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I would leave it illegal. I enjoy cigars and alcohol too much.

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Blunt>Cigar?

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#84 clayron
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I'd immediately put it to vote and let the people decide for themselves.
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#85 MrBubbles59
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I'd ban tobacco.

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#87 Cataclism
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I'd ban tobacco. I hate the goddamn thing.

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#88 Ugalde-
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I would ban them all. Gg.
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#89 CMFreezy
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I would legalize it, and then ban cigarettes/cigars.
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#90 GreenHippo21
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Legalize marijuana. Id make tobacco illegal. It cant really be used in moderation and it only brings harm.
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#91 psn8214
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I'd legalize it in a heartbeat. I like to think most sensible people would.

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#92 Trinexxx
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I used to consume marijuana but not as much anymore (personal preference). I'm just going to copy and paste what I wrote on another forum, if some of it seems out of place here that's because it was in response to someone else. I live in Vancouver, BC too btw. It's not absurd to believe legalization would reduce crime. Criminologists associate the prohibition as the largest cause of organized crime, why would it be absurd to make the same correlation with marijuana? I may be slightly biased because it is such a prevalent drug in my city, but it definitely funds gang involvement here. Marijuana could be seen as a building block for gangs, where the profits go into more serious things like meth labs and funding the purchasing of weapons. I'm not saying that legalizing marijuana would significantly reduce crime, but it would take a chunk out of gang's production and have a trickle down effect. Also, turf wars (fighting over places to sell and clients to sell to) would be lessened due to one less drug to distribute (you could argue that there would be more emphasis on harder drugs, but the means to manufacture them would be hindered without the profit of distributing marijuana). Then there is the risk and danger of the drug, which can be applied to any drug that alters one's state of mind. But don't you think people (over a reasonable age limit) should be able to assess the risks they make in life and assume responsibility for their own bodies? Why should the government instill morality where alcohol is totally acceptable (e.g. how the media portrays beer commercials as hilarious, with hot women and high production values - putting it in a positive light) and enlisting in the army at 18 is encouraged (propaganda), but marijuana is considered dangerous? It's a joke. There have been no studies that have linked cannabis consumption to aggressive/violent behaviour. No one is arguing that you should be able to drive under the influence of marijuana, it should yield to the same laws of alcohol. If marijuana was legalized, chances are it would be distributed by the government, which would be allocated for government spending. How would that not help boost the economy (here in BC, the government taxes 50% of all alcohol sales - they could do the same for marijuana). Wouldn't legalizing it (in uniform across states) destroy the chances of people profiting on it? You don't see people buying and selling alcohol because there is no profit to be made (unless you sell to minors, which is illegal and would apply to marijuana). I honestly believe that regardless of laws on drugs, the demand will remain the same. Prohibition does not work, as seen with alcohol. If people want a substance, they'll get it. It just makes the means of getting it more difficult so people go through greater lengths to obtain it, resulting in more crime (e.g. clientelle can be exclusive to each gang, and if another gang interferes there are turf wars). Also, I do not believe legalizing weed will have a direct impact on the economy. But I do believe it will improve it through reallocating police resources (they won't be wasting time on busting people for possession, trafficking, dealing) and they can tax it (in BC, the government taxes 50% of all alcohol sales). How would that not help boost the economy? I don't think it's a savior by any means, but I think it could only help. If it was at least decriminalized then it would just be a civil offence with a fine. I have a feeling the biggest discomfort for legalizing marijuana is that it's too liberal of a statement, but it just makes complete sense to me. I'd like to read your rebuttal though.
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#93 psn8214
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Nice post trine. :)

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[QUOTE="deathtarget04"]

I would leave it illegal. I enjoy cigars and alcohol too much.

Ramen1020

Blunt>Cigar?

Blunt wrap (in most cases, theres some clear blunt wrap) is made out of tobacco pulp. Although im sure it could be made out of mariganja.
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#95 psn8214
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[QUOTE="Ramen1020"]

[QUOTE="deathtarget04"]

I would leave it illegal. I enjoy cigars and alcohol too much.

GreenHippo21

Blunt>Cigar?

Blunt wrap (in most cases, theres some clear blunt wrap) is made out of tobacco pulp. Although im sure it could be made out of mariganja.

Yeah, that'd be unfortunate to not have access to cigars for that purpose. Extra wide rolling papers would suffice, but it just wouldn't be the same. :P

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#96 xsynth
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Keep it illegal, of course.

No way in hell I'd ban alcohol, and the smell of cigarettes isn't nearly as bad as that of pot -- which is absolutely disgusting and incredibly pervasive.

Not to mention people who smoke pot regularly are often wastes of life.

Dark__Link
this. would also add ban to tabacco
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#97 MuddyMaestro
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I'd just keep things as they are. I think alcohol is actually more dangerous than marijuana, but there are much more responsible consumers of alcohol than there are marijuana.

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#98 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

Keep it illegal, of course.

No way in hell I'd ban alcohol, and the smell of cigarettes isn't nearly as bad as that of pot -- which is absolutely disgusting and incredibly pervasive.

Not to mention people who smoke pot regularly are often wastes of life.

xsynth

this. would also add ban to tabacco

lol, whos going to take a drunk seriously?

hmm, i wonder if anyone will get this joke? ... prolly not.

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#99 psn8214
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I think alcohol is actually more dangerous than marijuana

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It is. Don't kid yourself. :P