school helps arange abortions without parental consent

is there a link? anyway if they are at least 16 and were raped or assualted they shouldnt need to tell parents

Its the girls decision and quite honestly the parents shouldn't have any say with what she can do with her body.. Even as a minor imo.. sSubZerOo

Then her parents hould have every right to kick her out onto the street, and the parents should then be freed of any obligation to support her in any way. The parents should then plunder her college fund as they see fit.

Refuse to live by the rules of the people who support you? Well then they should have every right to stop supporting you.

is there a link? anyway if they are at least 16 and were raped or assualted they shouldnt need to tell parents

weezyfb

The video doesn't mention a rape, but what the video does say is that the mother of the girl signed a permission slip so the school can seek further medical attenion for the child, and in Washington state any girl of any age can get an abortion without parental consent.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Its the girls decision and quite honestly the parents shouldn't have any say with what she can do with her body.. Even as a minor imo.. dkrustyklown

Then her parents hould have every right to kick her out onto the street, and the parents should then be freed of any obligation to support her in any way. The parents should then plunder her college fund as they see fit.

Refuse to live by the rules of the people who support you? Well then they should have every right to stop supporting you.

They are welcome to put her up for adoption.. The same could be said, how should we see parents who want to turn her daughter into a baby factory.. Would you approve of that? Children have rights too, a parent can't make a child do everything.. And I would argue this would be one of those things.. The parents have no right of preventing or making a child do that operation.

Where did she get the money for it? Operations are ****ing expensive, and they couldn't have billed it through the parent's insurance without the parent finding out before it even happened.

"She only found out after the fact when her daughter had an unrelatedhealth problem and finally revealed she had terminated a pregnancy."

Does that woman not check her bills?

Guppy507

Read the OP again, the school said it would be free if she did it through them, which she did...

Parents of school children in Seattle are learning a shocking lesson, The mother of a 15-year old girl recently discovered that Ballard High School helped her daughter get an abortion and never informed her.

Parents signed consent forms for off-school treatment thinking it was limited to emergency health care when the parents could not be reached.

When the 15-year old girl's pregnancy was confirmed, they counseled her on the options. The mother says they encouraged her to have an abortion and not tell her parents. She claims her daughter was told that if she informed her parents they would have to pay for the abortion, otherwise it's free.

As for the fact the girl was called a taxi and transported by herself to a clinic to have her abortion then driven back to finish her school day, officials say that's not unusual. They would not say how many girls have been helped to have an abortion.

Washington State is one of thirteen states that does not have either a parental consent or parental notification law. Girls of any age can obtain an abortion without having to tell a parent.

Snakewiseman

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"][QUOTE="danwallacefan"] Does the State of washington define elective abortions as "medical care", and was the mother aware of this?

I dont know about the law, but this is wrong on so many levels. A contract is just consent written down. How can you really consent to something you don't understand?

If a person has no reading comprehension and only knows how to write his name, and you get him to sign a contract for a 199.99$/month cell phone contract, SHOULD a court enforce it in a sane society?

danwallacefan

My understanding is that contracts are enforced so long as the clauses in it can be rationally expected. For example, a business contract that had in fine print "I hereby give all my possessions to [person X]" will not be enforced.

Had I been the girl I'd be scared to death to tell my parents. I'd try to sneak it by them as best I could.Nifty_Shark

[QUOTE="Snakewiseman"]

Parents of school children in Seattle are learning a shocking lesson, The mother of a 15-year old girl recently discovered that Ballard High School helped her daughter get an abortion and never informed her.

Parents signed consent forms for off-school treatment thinking it was limited to emergency health care when the parents could not be reached.

When the 15-year old girl's pregnancy was confirmed, they counseled her on the options. The mother says they encouraged her to have an abortion and not tell her parents. She claims her daughter was told that if she informed her parents they would have to pay for the abortion, otherwise it's free.

As for the fact the girl was called a taxi and transported by herself to a clinic to have her abortion then driven back to finish her school day, officials say that's not unusual. They would not say how many girls have been helped to have an abortion.

Washington State is one of thirteen states that does not have either a parental consent or parental notification law. Girls of any age can obtain an abortion without having to tell a parent.

Wow some of the comments on the Fox news article are ridiculously conservative.... I mean where I live (Northern Ireland) everything falls into Tribalistic religious secterian conservatism, But some of those comments even make us look good.

I live in Washington and only 20 miles from the school in question, and I for one can tell you at my School that it is not at all uncommon for this to happen. It really isn't a big deal..

I wish little kids would stop having sex :,( Solid_Tango

I'm still waiting for the uber christian jesus-freak to show up.

My opnion: If it's state law, there's not much anyone can do. I still think it's a little weird the school encouraged it, though.

I'm still waiting for the uber christian jesus-freak to show up.

Vaz126

Shhh don't even put it out there!

I think this wrong. They parents should have at least been informed after the procedure was done. Hiding a pregnancy is one thing, but hiding an abortion that you had the government help you obtain is just morally wrong.JustPlainLucas

If you can become pregnant without your parents' help, then you can end the pregnancy without the parents' help.Engrish_Major

Good point - but an abortion is a medical procedure and no child should undergo a non-emergency medical procedure without parental consent...67gt500

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]If you can become pregnant without your parents' help, then you can end the pregnancy without the parents' help.ghost392

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]If you can become pregnant without your parents' help, then you can end the pregnancy without the parents' help.ghost392

Basically this.. If we were to say that parents do have a say.. Then we are going down a slope in which we could argue that a parent then can do the complete opposite.. Demand the teen to get pregnent.. Its a girls body, even at that age a child still has certain rights that the parent can not and should not control.. This is one of them..

Can't really comment on this since I can't decide whether I am against or for abortion.Ugalde-

The way I see it.. Is I personally am iffy on it one way or the other, but in the end its the woman decision and I as a man.. Regardless if its supposedly my baby should never have a say in it.

I'm not afraid to say it. I believe abortion is wrong. I firmly believe that abortion is and has been doing much more damage than we are led to think. I'm not coming from a religious standpoint here. I'm coming more from a mentally healthy/moral standpoint. I realize that things happen, mistakes are made and women get pregnant, there is no way under the sun that they or their parents can take care of their baby, so they think there is only 1 course of action. But shouldn't a women do everything in her power to keep that baby alive and give it a chance to live, and make something of itself? Adoption is an option. Great things come of adoption all the time.

My older sister got pregnant when she was only 16, and she had a choice. She happened to choose adoption, and her daughter now lives in Arizona with a really wealthy family, and she's doing absolutely great, she's 15 years old now in high school. We get pictures and letters from her all the time, and she is fully aware of everything.

I know many disagree with me, which is fine. We all hold tight to our morals and beliefs. :)

While on the topic of abortion.. I wish GS had a pro-choice union.
Sorry I know that's not really about the topic specifically.

[QUOTE="Ugalde-"]Can't really comment on this since I can't decide whether I am against or for abortion.sSubZerOo

The way I see it.. Is I personally am iffy on it one way or the other, but in the end its the woman decision and I as a man.. Regardless if its supposedly my baby should never have a say in it.

it' not the parents decision if u ask me. abortion is a right and i'm pro-choice BUT i do believe if u resort to abortion ur weak and you're wasting a potential life, plus there are thousands of people out there that would have loved to adopt that baby. surrogates ftw.

While on the topic of abortion.. I wish GS had a pro-choice union.
Sorry I know that's not really about the topic specifically.

binpink

It would be pointless as almost everyone would join with the exception of 10% of which 9% just dont feel like joining and 1% is prolife Prochoice has more supporters but Porflie has louder voice

Well if it isn't breaking any laws I don't see what the big deal is.

I hate abortions but I still feel the need for them to be legal. At the very least it is a good form of population control.

Much better than the cases I saw last night on TV. I saw two different cases of high school girls in New Jersey who gave birth and immediately killed the infant.

One of them bashed the babies head in and threw the body in a dumpster. The other gave birth in a bathroom at her prom, suffocated the kid, tossed the body in the trash, and then just went back to dancing like nothing had happened.

Best part: They only got like 2 1/2 years in jail.....

What if something had gone wrong during the abortion and the girl had to be rushed to a real hospital and racked up a bunch of medical bills? Do you think the state, the school, or the counselor would be responsible for paying? Hell no. Its the parents, who were not consulted about this elective medical procedure for their daughter, who would be on the hook for it.

Just another good reason not to live in the people's republic of washington.

I don't know what to say about this. I think abortion is wrong, and i find it pathetic that there even needs to be such a thing as abortion. Abortion proves a lack of responsibility and intelligence. I'm not going to stop someone from killing their own child, but i certainly won't help them either.

But, about the girl and her parents, the parents should do a better job of parenting and teaching the girl. But it is too late for that. She and her partner and every other couple who has had an abortion have already become nobodies in my eyes. They are just as bad as the 15 year old giving her 7 year old sister over to the child molesters - in both cases the children were unable to fend for themselves, unable to understand what was happening, and both were not at fault being forced into something that they would choose not to do if they had the chance. Just because he/she can't stand up and say "no" doesn't mean you can do whatever the hell you want to them.

I'm not afraid to say it. I believe abortion is wrong. I firmly believe that abortion is and has been doing much more damage than we are led to think. I'm not coming from a religious standpoint here. I'm coming more from a mentally healthy/moral standpoint. I realize that things happen, mistakes are made and women get pregnant, there is no way under the sun that they or their parents can take care of their baby, so they think there is only 1 course of action. But shouldn't a women do everything in her power to keep that baby alive and give it a chance to live, and make something of itself? Adoption is an option. Great things come of adoption all the time.

My older sister got pregnant when she was only 16, and she had a choice. She happened to choose adoption, and her daughter now lives in Arizona with a really wealthy family, and she's doing absolutely great, she's 15 years old now in high school. We get pictures and letters from her all the time, and she is fully aware of everything.

I know many disagree with me, which is fine. We all hold tight to our morals and beliefs. :)

Lethargika

[QUOTE="binpink"]

While on the topic of abortion.. I wish GS had a pro-choice union.
Sorry I know that's not really about the topic specifically.

ghost392

It would be pointless as almost everyone would join with the exception of 10% of which 9% just dont feel like joining and 1% is prolife Prochoice has more supporters but Porflie has louder voice

It's true Prolifers seem so much more willing to get loud, I don't know why Prochoicers don't :S ... and I guess it always seems to me like most people are prolife. That's probably b/c prochoicers stay silent. So I wouldn't guess that a ton of people would join a prochoice union.

It's true Prolifers seem so much more willing to get loud, I don't know why Prochoicers don't :S ... and I guess it always seems to me like most people are prolife. That's probably b/c prochoicers stay silent. So I wouldn't guess that a ton of people would join a prochoice union.

binpink

[QUOTE="binpink"]

It's true Prolifers seem so much more willing to get loud, I don't know why Prochoicers don't :S ... and I guess it always seems to me like most people are prolife. That's probably b/c prochoicers stay silent. So I wouldn't guess that a ton of people would join a prochoice union.

Ontain

I suppose so, and I don't totally get it. But this isn't a pro/anti-choice thread so oh well.

[QUOTE="Guppy507"]

Where did she get the money for it? Operations are ****ing expensive, and they couldn't have billed it through the parent's insurance without the parent finding out before it even happened.

"She only found out after the fact when her daughter had an unrelatedhealth problem and finally revealed she had terminated a pregnancy."

Does that woman not check her bills?

markop2003

Abortion proves a lack of responsibility and intelligence.hoola

my first thought was "parental consent does not mean grandparental consent. her body, her wishes". and that's what I'd say in general to a situation about minors needing consent. BUT I think it's absolutely wrong to shove those kinds of thoughts into a kid's head and push her towards abortion, especially a girl that young facing that big of a decision. "Threatening" her with saying if she told they'd have to pay is completely stupid, either the health care system is even more screwed than I thought (I assume if there was any truth behind what was said there, it would mean that if she has means to pay for the abortion aka her parents, she has to pay for it) or somebody is pulling complete crap out of their ***. What a scary thing, being prodded like that while in that situation. I feel badly for the girl.XilePrincess

The school gave her the options and told her the consequences of her choice and then gave their own opinion on the matter, I see nothing wrong with this and I quite frankly agree with what they did beside the not telling the parents part. I don't see any signs of her being "threatened", unless of course telling people the consequences of their decisions is threatening in the slightest.

I wonder if the school will get the hell sued out of it.

Regardless that's wrong. I mean, not even a notification? Holy ****.

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]

[QUOTE="despa1r_fact0r"] People sign contracts all day long and don't know what's in it and they are held to the contract - ignorance isn't a opt out option. Do I agree with it no, but that's the way it is. As far as a contract being super outrageous like a person borrowing $100 and they have to pay %300 interest a judge can terminate the terms of the contract. chessmaster1989

My understanding is that contracts are enforced so long as the clauses in it can be rationally expected. For example, a business contract that had in fine print "I hereby give all my possessions to [person X]" will not be enforced.

Somehow I doubt it.

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="Guppy507"]

Where did she get the money for it? Operations are ****ing expensive, and they couldn't have billed it through the parent's insurance without the parent finding out before it even happened.

"She only found out after the fact when her daughter had an unrelatedhealth problem and finally revealed she had terminated a pregnancy."

Does that woman not check her bills?

Guppy507

[QUOTE="hoola"] Abortion proves a lack of responsibility and intelligence.T_P_O