School uses student laptop webcams to spy on them at home

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="danwallacefan"] not if the school is payed for by the State.

danwallacefan

This is why i have my own laptop >_>..

This is why i have my own laptop >_>..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

It's the school's lap tops....so they can put what they want on it.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It's the school's lap tops....so they can put what they want on it.BuryMe

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

This is why i have my own laptop >_>..

LJS9502_basic

Yeah i'm paranoid like that :P..

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah yeah. Even if the school is public. Still the property of the school...not the student.LJS9502_basic

Who it belongs to is negligible because the laptop was misused. That's the problem here; particularly if students were not made explicitly aware that this could happen. You're essentially saying, "the school owned the laptop so they can do anything illegal they want with it."

Then what the hell is your statement supposed to mean in the context of this argument? The topic is about a school illegally spying on students in their homes. How exactly is one supposed to interpet "the school can put anything they want on their laptops" with that context in mind. That's either totally irrelevant, or you just intentionally put these dubious statements up and then defend them by saying over and over and over that we're not on the same page semantically. Every argument I've seen you in, you do this. :roll:

Oh I didn't address that. I merely said they could put what they wanted on the laptop. I wonder why no one disabled them though.

LJS9502_basic

Then what the hell is your statement supposed to mean in the context of this argument? The topic is about a school illegally spying on students in their homes. How exactly is one supposed to interpet "the school can put anything they want on their laptops" with that context in mind. That's either totally irrelevant, or you just intentionally put these dubious statements up and then defend them by saying over and over and over that we're not on the same page semantically. Every argument I've seen you in, you do this. :roll:

xXBuffJeffXx

Ow this reminds me.
My little brother once called me over, and he showed me that he could watch me on my laptop cam.
Apparently when it went on screensaver the cam turned on, and he could get the feed through the network.
It was an acer laptop.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Oh I didn't address that. I merely said they could put what they wanted on the laptop. I wonder why no one disabled them though.

horgen123

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

wtf?

Why would they even carewhat their students are doing at home?

Tauruslink

They were Macs...

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

Then what the hell is your statement supposed to mean in the context of this argument? The topic is about a school illegally spying on students in their homes. How exactly is one supposed to interpet "the school can put anything they want on their laptops" with that context in mind. That's either totally irrelevant, or you just intentionally put these dubious statements up and then defend them by saying over and over and over that we're not on the same page semantically. Every argument I've seen you in, you do this. :roll:

LJS9502_basic

Yeah, well the thing everyone has been discussing, and the main premise of the article, is that the school illegally spied on students. So, it is not anywhere near unreasonable to intrepret what you said in the manner that I did. Look at how many other people on this topic have.........................

Also, what exactly does "the school can put what they want on the laptop because it belongs to them" bring to the table then in the context of this argument/topic/article? I'd argue: absolutely nothing because it isn't about what they equipped/put on them; it's what they DID with them.

[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Oh I didn't address that. I merely said they could put what they wanted on the laptop. I wonder why no one disabled them though.

LJS9502_basic

You didn't. You did the same thing you do every argument: put up some sort of dubious statement that is intrepreted a million different ways, and then tell people they are arguing with something you never said. You do it EVERY argument I've ever seen. :roll:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

Then what the hell is your statement supposed to mean in the context of this argument? The topic is about a school illegally spying on students in their homes. How exactly is one supposed to interpet "the school can put anything they want on their laptops" with that context in mind. That's either totally irrelevant, or you just intentionally put these dubious statements up and then defend them by saying over and over and over that we're not on the same page semantically. Every argument I've seen you in, you do this. :roll:

xXBuffJeffXx

Yeah, well the thing everyone has been discussing, and the main premise of the article, is that the school illegally spied on students. So, it is not anywhere near unreasonable to intrepret what you said in the manner that I did. Look at how many other people on this topic have.........................

Also, what exactly does "the school can put what they want on the laptop because it belongs to them" bring to the table then in the context of this argument/topic/article? I'd argue: absolutely nothing because it isn't about what they equipped/put on them; it's what they DID with them.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="horgen123"] Indeed they can. I've used a school owned comp, I know what they can do with it as long as it is online. But spying on me through it. No they can't do that. xXBuffJeffXx

You didn't. You did the same thing you do every argument: put up some sort of dubious statement that is intrepreted a million different ways, and then tell people they are arguing with something you never said. You do it EVERY argument I've ever seen. :roll:

Well I'm waiting for someone in this thread that wants to argue over what I posted to show me where I said the school could spy. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well I could point out that you assumed things I did not say. In the context of the article...it is NOT illegal for the school to equip lap tops with what they want. Which IS what I said.:roll:

LJS9502_basic

Yeah, well the thing everyone has been discussing, and the main premise of the article, is that the school illegally spied on students. So, it is not anywhere near unreasonable to intrepret what you said in the manner that I did. Look at how many other people on this topic have.........................

Also, what exactly does "the school can put what they want on the laptop because it belongs to them" bring to the table then in the context of this argument/topic/article? I'd argue: absolutely nothing because it isn't about what they equipped/put on them; it's what they DID with them.

Yeah, in retrospect, I was getting a little heated here. :lol:

Not going to take this any further; I apologise. Just in a bad mood... I've had Pilonidal Cysts for the last 6 months and it's starting to really bother me. They suck. :(

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well I'm waiting for someone in this thread that wants to argue over what I posted to show me where I said the school could spy. horgen123

It's the school's lap tops....so they can put what they want on it.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It's the school's lap tops....so they can put what they want on it.KittenNipples

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I remember when Gamespot let people do that.:P horgen123

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah yeah. Even if the school is public. Still the property of the school...not the student.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

Then what the hell is your statement supposed to mean in the context of this argument? The topic is about a school illegally spying on students in their homes. How exactly is one supposed to interpet "the school can put anything they want on their laptops" with that context in mind. That's either totally irrelevant, or you just intentionally put these dubious statements up and then defend them by saying over and over and over that we're not on the same page semantically. Every argument I've seen you in, you do this. :roll:

LJS9502_basic

So as long as it's an organ of the government, they're well within their rights to put what is essentially spyware, something that is fully illegal, on the computer? Where is the student's EULA that says they were allowed to do this?

[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I remember when Gamespot let people do that.:P LJS9502_basic

They do now...i got modded for it...and i edited in a joking fashion O_O..

So as long as it's an organ of the government, they're well within their rights to put what is essentially spyware, something that is fully illegal, on the computer? Where is the student's EULA that says they were allowed to do this?tycoonmike

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]So as long as it's an organ of the government, they're well within their rights to put what is essentially spyware, something that is fully illegal, on the computer? Where is the student's EULA that says they were allowed to do this?Vandalvideo

The problem being that unless the school considers the students themselves 'property of the school,' they're still committing invasion of privacy. It's not like putting an internet censoring program on the laptop, this is being able to access and record images from the laptop's camera and, frankly, unless they caught the student smoking pot or watching pornography they have no case whatsoever.

And besides, you may agree to the school's honor code, but that doesn't mean you are no longer subject to United States law. Even children have 'rights' under our system, whether or not those administrators want to admit it.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah yeah. Even if the school is public. Still the property of the school...not the student.LJS9502_basic

Who it belongs to is negligible because the laptop was misused. That's the problem here; particularly if students were not made explicitly aware that this could happen. You're essentially saying, "the school owned the laptop so they can do anything illegal they want with it."

And by saying that you're saying that it was okay for them to do this. Just because the laptops are school property does not mean they can put spying software on the computers without informing students that they are being physically monitored, even at home, by their computers. Simply owning property does not entitle the owner to do illegal activities with them. Using your logic it's okay for a pedophile to store child porn on his computer because "hey, I own it, I can put whatever I want on it".

The problem being that unless the school considers the students themselves 'property of the school,' they're still committing invasion of privacy. It's not like putting an internet censoring program on the laptop, this is being able to access and record images from the laptop's camera and, frankly, unless they caught the student smoking pot or watching pornography they have no case whatsoever.And besides, you may agree to the school's honor code, but that doesn't mean you are no longer subject to United States law. Even children have 'rights' under our system, whether or not those administrators want to admit it.tycoonmike

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]The problem being that unless the school considers the students themselves 'property of the school,' they're still committing invasion of privacy. It's not like putting an internet censoring program on the laptop, this is being able to access and record images from the laptop's camera and, frankly, unless they caught the student smoking pot or watching pornography they have no case whatsoever.And besides, you may agree to the school's honor code, but that doesn't mean you are no longer subject to United States law. Even children have 'rights' under our system, whether or not those administrators want to admit it.Vandalvideo

Pretty sure that doesn't give them the legal right to turn on the cameras whenever they want. There's a reason even in hotel rooms cameras are only put in the hallways, and even inside companies that have security cameras everywhere, they don't have cameras in bathrooms.

if this happens to my school i would attach a picture of a big middle finger to the webcam :evil:

wow that is just.....stupid actually. That the principal somehow thought that he wouldn't be in trouble after spying on and saving pictures of his students.

BUT if i were a student, and i became aware of what was going on, i would invite my friends over, throw a "WE HATE OUR PRINCIPAL PARTY" and make sure he sees every bit of it. And...boy it would be good fun.

Pretty sure that doesn't give them the legal right to turn on the cameras whenever they want. There's a reason even in hotel rooms cameras are only put in the hallways, and even inside companies that have security cameras everywhere, they don't have cameras in bathrooms.xionvalkyrie

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]The problem being that unless the school considers the students themselves 'property of the school,' they're still committing invasion of privacy. It's not like putting an internet censoring program on the laptop, this is being able to access and record images from the laptop's camera and, frankly, unless they caught the student smoking pot or watching pornography they have no case whatsoever.And besides, you may agree to the school's honor code, but that doesn't mean you are no longer subject to United States law. Even children have 'rights' under our system, whether or not those administrators want to admit it.Vandalvideo

In the US a student does not normally have the right to choose public schools. You're assigned to whichever one is nearest. Thus, there is no choice in the matter. The more affluent families could choose to enroll their children in a private school instead, but many families do not have that option due to finances.

Regardless, this is illegal. This type of survallience can only be obtained legally by the US government with a warrant issues by a federal court.

In the US a student does not normally have the right to choose public schools. You're assigned to whichever one is nearest. Thus, there is no choice in the matter. The more affluent families could choose to enroll their children in a private school instead, but many families do not have that option due to finances.Regardless, this is illegal. This type of survallience can only be obtained legally by the US government with a warrant issues by a federal courtgameguy6700

[QUOTE="KittenNipples"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It's the school's lap tops....so they can put what they want on it.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

Who it belongs to is negligible because the laptop was misused. That's the problem here; particularly if students were not made explicitly aware that this could happen. You're essentially saying, "the school owned the laptop so they can do anything illegal they want with it."

gameguy6700

And by saying that you're saying that it was okay for them to do this. Just because the laptops are school property does not mean they can put spying software on the computers without informing students that they are being physically monitored, even at home, by their computers. Simply owning property does not entitle the owner to do illegal activities with them. Using your logic it's okay for a pedophile to store child porn on his computer because "hey, I own it, I can put whatever I want on it".

thank god my school is too cheap to give us laptops

"improper behavior in his home"

That is disgusting throw them in **** jail. Just kidding.

But the ones responsible for this need to be charged, I can't believe this is coming from the Philly suburbs as well.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]In the US a student does not normally have the right to choose public schools. You're assigned to whichever one is nearest. Thus, there is no choice in the matter. The more affluent families could choose to enroll their children in a private school instead, but many families do not have that option due to finances.Regardless, this is illegal. This type of survallience can only be obtained legally by the US government with a warrant issues by a federal courtVandalvideo

Great. Issue is though that A) you assume they even signed a contract (to my knowledge there are no contracts/agreements signed when a child enrolls in a public school) and B) that there was ever any transparancy provided about this survallience.

Also, I would expect that a lawyer would be aware that contracts that involve illegal activities are non-binding. For example, I can't have a family agree to a loan that includes their children as collateral and still have it be legally binding. I can't make a woman sign a contract to use a laptop I'm giving her that includes a clause that allows me to monitor her and use any pictures I take with the laptop's webcam however I wish (ie upload naked photos of her to the internet) and still have it be binding.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KittenNipples"]What does that mean exactly? And too what extent?KittenNipples

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Now where did I say it was okay for the school to spy? I said it was their property...and they could put what they want on the lap top. Too many people reading things not said.LJS9502_basic

And by saying that you're saying that it was okay for them to do this. Just because the laptops are school property does not mean they can put spying software on the computers without informing students that they are being physically monitored, even at home, by their computers. Simply owning property does not entitle the owner to do illegal activities with them. Using your logic it's okay for a pedophile to store child porn on his computer because "hey, I own it, I can put whatever I want on it".

Spying is also illegal. Putting the webcam on the computer isn't illegal. Putting spying software on the computer is.

Let's use a better analogy though. Let's say I've found this cute girl who needs a laptop. I tell her she can have mine for as long as she wants, but what I don't tell her is that I've done what this school did; ie I've put software on the computer that allows me to remotely access the built-in webcam. I then use the laptop to stalk her and use pictures of her (some of which are sure to be naked photos if she has the laptop in her bedroom like most people) however I want (take a guess). According to you, this is perfectly acceptable.

That is absolutely horrible. I bet those administrators would LOVE being spied on 24/7. Outside of school, they should have no right to spy on students.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

And by saying that you're saying that it was okay for them to do this. Just because the laptops are school property does not mean they can put spying software on the computers without informing students that they are being physically monitored, even at home, by their computers. Simply owning property does not entitle the owner to do illegal activities with them. Using your logic it's okay for a pedophile to store child porn on his computer because "hey, I own it, I can put whatever I want on it".

gameguy6700

Spying is also illegal. Putting the webcam on the computer isn't illegal. Putting spying software on the computer is.

Let's use a better analogy though. Let's say I've found this cute girl who needs a laptop. I tell her she can have mine for as long as she wants, but what I don't tell her is that I've done what this school did; ie I've put software on the computer that allows me to remotely access the built-in webcam. I then use the laptop to stalk her and use pictures of her (some of which are sure to be naked photos if she has the laptop in her bedroom like most people) however I want (take a guess). According to you, this is perfectly acceptable.

Using the webcams to monitor in school behaviour is bad, but not terrible. Using them during home use is just horrible....also why one earth did they use a photo from a web cam if they didn't want the kids to know they were being monitored XD