Seems that Donald Trump is something of a birther

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]And why would that matter? Honestly, why would you have a problem with having someone who wasn't born in the United States running your country if he does a good job as a leader? I don't understand the whole "if he's not American then he shouldn't be president" thing. Is there some actual political reason, or is it just a custom?chrisrooR

Edit: Assuming the person was born outside of the United States.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]And why would that matter? Honestly, why would you have a problem with having someone who wasn't born in the United States running your country if he does a good job as a leader? I don't understand the whole "if he's not American then he shouldn't be president" thing. Is there some actual political reason, or is it just a custom?chrisrooR

Edit: Assuming the person was born outside of the United States.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's a requirement for president. And it matters because they don't want foreign nationals with other interests involved in the highest office. Nothing wrong with that rule.....but by now the birthers need to give it up. Time to move on to other issues.....BuryMe

Edit: Assuming the person was born outside of the United States.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] Not trying to start an argument, I'm just curious :P If a person is living in the United States for a prolonged period of time, and has become an American citizen, would that individual be able to hold any political office?

Edit: Assuming the person was born outside of the United States.

chrisrooR

I'm loving the prospective Republican presidential candidates. Palin, Bachmann, Gingrich and now Trump.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's a requirement for president. And it matters because they don't want foreign nationals with other interests involved in the highest office. Nothing wrong with that rule.....but by now the birthers need to give it up. Time to move on to other issues.....LJS9502_basic

Edit: Assuming the person was born outside of the United States.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]Yes

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] So why is that any different for presidential status?chrisrooR

But why is it the law? Is it establish on customary grounds? Sorry if I was unclear, I'm trying to get at the root of the law, where it stems from. To me, I would think that if someone is a citizen (born in the country or out of it) and proves him/herself to be a person who loves the country they're living in, why would their birthplace matter.

chrisrooR

It would make sense cosndierng the time it was made. They were probably worried about the English attempting to regain control of the states. If the requirement is that only a native born citizen can be president, then it significantly diminishes chances of that.

Nowadays, with the accessibility of travel, global communications, and how the world has "shrunk", i really dont think it matters.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

But why is it the law? Is it establish on customary grounds? Sorry if I was unclear, I'm trying to get at the root of the law, where it stems from. To me, I would think that if someone is a citizen (born in the country or out of it) and proves him/herself to be a person who loves the country they're living in, why would their birthplace matter.

XaosII

It would make sense cosndierng the time it was made. They were probably worried about the English attempting to regain control of the states. If the requirement is that only a native born citizen can be president, then it significantly diminishes chances of that.

Nowadays, with the accessibility of travel, global communications, and how the world has "shrunk", i really dont think it matters.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Because it's the law.:|LJS9502_basic

No it still matters.....LJS9502_basic

No it doesn't.

The capacity to be a leader has no bearing on birthright.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it still matters.....XaosII

No it doesn't.

The capacity to be a leader has no bearing on birthright.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it still matters.....LJS9502_basic

No it doesn't.

The capacity to be a leader has no bearing on birthright.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it still matters.....LJS9502_basic

No it doesn't.

The capacity to be a leader has no bearing on birthright.

What is the connection to birthright? You can be born here and have the best interest of another country. You can be born elsewhere and have the best interest of the US.

There is absolutely no causation between brithright and allegiance.

Y'know, this whole birther movement could be shattered in a heartbeat if someone would just go on primetime television with the guys birth certificate.

KH-mixerX

http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2009/07/22/cnn-holds-copy-obama-birth-certificate

Somebody already did, on fox news of all stations.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

No it doesn't.

The capacity to be a leader has no bearing on birthright.

chrisrooR

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

No it doesn't.

The capacity to be a leader has no bearing on birthright.

XaosII

What is the connection to birthright? You can be born here and have the best interest of another country. You can be born elsewhere and have the best interest of the US.

There is absolutely no causation between brithright and allegiance.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It's not about the capacity for being a leader and more about the capacity to want what's best for the US...and not have interests in other countries.:|LJS9502_basic

Perhaps their parents are Italian and have instilled a large amount of Italian value on the children. Simply saying that "they have no ties to Italy" isn't satisfactory, because it's quite possible that they do.

And we aren't talking about an American, we're talking about someone born outside of the United States. A person can still become an American Citizen if they live there long enough, so why should they be unable to be president if they prove themselves capable?

Why does this make sense, and why should birthright prevent a perfectly good leader from holding presedential office?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] What of people born in the U.S. who have interests in other countries? You're assuming that these people don't exist. What of Italian-American children who were born in the United States, but still hold interest in Italy?chrisrooR

Perhaps their parents are Italian and have instilled a large amount of Italian value on the children. Simply saying that "they have no ties to Italy" isn't satisfactory, because it's quite possible that they do.

And we aren't talking about an American, we're talking about someone born outside of the United States. A person can still become an American Citizen if they live there long enough, so why should they be unable to be president if they prove themselves capable?

Why does this make sense, and why should birthright prevent a perfectly good leader from holding presedential office?

Really? Because most people would not want to deal harshly if needed with their own country. It's a conflict of interest. Best to avoid that anyway. Were I to head up Canada....I'd not want to do anything that might hurt the US even if necessary. LJS9502_basic

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything though. There have been several detaind US born Al Qaeda agents. They can run for presidency.

On the other hand, i moved to the US when i was less than 2 years old. I've never visited my country of birth. I've never even left the U.S. on vacation or visits. Im 25 years old now, with 10 more years to go for presidency eligibility.

But i cant run because of the native born requirement. How am i not "American" enough to run? How could my interests be more aligned with my country of birth than someone who barely meets elgibility (i.e. living for 21 years elsewhere then 14 years in the US)?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Really? Because most people would not want to deal harshly if needed with their own country. It's a conflict of interest. Best to avoid that anyway. Were I to head up Canada....I'd not want to do anything that might hurt the US even if necessary. XaosII

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything though. There have been several detaind US born Al Qaeda agents. They can run for presidency.

On the other hand, i moved to the US when i was less than 2 years old. I've never visited my country of birth. I've never even left the U.S. on vacation or visits. Im 25 years old now, with 10 more years to go for presidency eligibility.

But i cant run because of the native born requirement. How am i not "American" enough to run? How could my interests be more aligned with my country of birth than someone who barely meets elgibility (i.e. living for 21 years elsewhere then 14 years in the US)?

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Really? Because most people would not want to deal harshly if needed with their own country. It's a conflict of interest. Best to avoid that anyway. Were I to head up Canada....I'd not want to do anything that might hurt the US even if necessary. LJS9502_basic

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything though. There have been several detaind US born Al Qaeda agents. They can run for presidency.

On the other hand, i moved to the US when i was less than 2 years old. I've never visited my country of birth. I've never even left the U.S. on vacation or visits. Im 25 years old now, with 10 more years to go for presidency eligibility.

But i cant run because of the native born requirement. How am i not "American" enough to run? How could my interests be more aligned with my country of birth than someone who barely meets elgibility (i.e. living for 21 years elsewhere then 14 years in the US)?

Whether or not they would get support at running for president is irrelevant. What matters it that the agent, simply because he/she was born inside of the United States, has more of a chance at becoming president than a person who spends his/her first couple years of life abroad, migrates to the states, studies law, and proves him/herself to be a credible leader.

That doesn't make sense to me.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything though. There have been several detaind US born Al Qaeda agents. They can run for presidency.

On the other hand, i moved to the US when i was less than 2 years old. I've never visited my country of birth. I've never even left the U.S. on vacation or visits. Im 25 years old now, with 10 more years to go for presidency eligibility.

But i cant run because of the native born requirement. How am i not "American" enough to run? How could my interests be more aligned with my country of birth than someone who barely meets elgibility (i.e. living for 21 years elsewhere then 14 years in the US)?

chrisrooR

Whether or not they would get support at running for president is irrelevant. What matters it that the agent, simply because he/she was born inside of the United States, has more of a chance at becoming president than a person who spends his/her first couple years of life abroad, migrates to the states, studies law, and proves him/herself to be a credible leader.

That doesn't make sense to me.

Hopefully with all these garbage neocon candidates Ron Paul will have a slightly better shot.

Hopefully with all these garbage neocon candidates Ron Paul will have a slightly better shot.

Dalo12345

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Y'know, this whole birther movement could be shattered in a heartbeat if someone would just go on primetime television with the guys birth certificate.

With-Hatred

http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2009/07/22/cnn-holds-copy-obama-birth-certificate

Somebody already did, on fox news of all stations.

Wow. Why are we still having discussions about these people then? Can't we just sweep them under the rug and pretend they don't exist?

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Y'know, this whole birther movement could be shattered in a heartbeat if someone would just go on primetime television with the guys birth certificate.

KH-mixerX

http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2009/07/22/cnn-holds-copy-obama-birth-certificate

Somebody already did, on fox news of all stations.

Wow. Why are we still having discussions about these people then? Can't we just sweep them under the rug and pretend they don't exist?

They're a pretty big number, over half of republican primary voters and like a quarter of the country

No you have to either be born IN the United States, or on a US military base. That's it. McCain was born on a military base.BMD004

What if you're born on a plane, How does that work? Are you the citizen of the country you departed from/arrived in/were born above?

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Y'know, this whole birther movement could be shattered in a heartbeat if someone would just go on primetime television with the guys birth certificate.

http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2009/07/22/cnn-holds-copy-obama-birth-certificate

Somebody already did, on fox news of all stations.

Wow. Why are we still having discussions about these people then? Can't we just sweep them under the rug and pretend they don't exist?

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2009/07/22/cnn-holds-copy-obama-birth-certificate

Somebody already did, on fox news of all stations.

Ninja-Hippo

Wow. Why are we still having discussions about these people then? Can't we just sweep them under the rug and pretend they don't exist?