Senate Republicans Vote to Privatize/End Medicare

You have to deepen the pockets of big buisness somehow

You have to deepen the pockets of big buisness somehow

DroidPhysX

Yes, because Democrats don't do this at all. See: GE.

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You have to deepen the pockets of big buisness somehow

SpartanMSU

Yes, because Democrats don't do this at all. See: GE.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

You have to deepen the pockets of big buisness somehow

SpartanMSU

Yes, because Democrats don't do this at all. See: GE.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

You have to deepen the pockets of big buisness somehow

Theokhoth

Yes, because Democrats don't do this at all. See: GE.

Try again. Do a little research. Enlighten yourself. Go ahead, you can do it.

Politicians are politicians, regardless of party. They are quite pathetic creatures.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yes, because Democrats don't do this at all. See: GE.

SpartanMSU

Try again. Do a little research. Enlighten yourself. Go ahead, you can do it.

Politicians are politicians, regardless of party. They are quite pathetic creatures.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yes, because Democrats don't do this at all. See: GE.

SpartanMSU

Try again. Do a little research. Enlighten yourself. Go ahead, you can do it.

Politicians are politicians, regardless of party. They are quite pathetic creatures.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yes, because Democrats don't do this at all. See: GE.

SpartanMSU

Try again. Do a little research. Enlighten yourself. Go ahead, you can do it.

Politicians are politicians, regardless of party. They are quite pathetic creatures.

What has the Democratic Party proposed that is equivalent to cutting Medicare to pay for tax cuts for the rich?

Sometimes one party really is worse than the other.

I posted this comment from a guy that posted on Nate Siver's blog in another thread, and I think it's worth posting in this one because it's so true.

The GOP threw their electoral edge away for a symbolic vote on a radical budget that has no chance of becoming law. At least when the Democrats electorally damaged themselves significantly, they got a fundamental reform of the U.S. health care system out of it. The GOP got nothing but pain.a guy named Stephen

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Ah, yes, the company that made eleven billion dollars 2010 but didn't pay a dime in taxes, yet the Democrats are arguing that they are taxed way too much. Wait. GabuEx

Try again. Do a little research. Enlighten yourself. Go ahead, you can do it.

Politicians are politicians, regardless of party. They are quite pathetic creatures.

What has the Democratic Party proposed that is equivalent to cutting Medicare to pay for tax cuts for the rich?

Sometimes one party really is worse than the other.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Ah, yes, the company that made eleven billion dollars 2010 but didn't pay a dime in taxes, yet the Democrats are arguing that they are taxed way too much. Wait. Theokhoth

Try again. Do a little research. Enlighten yourself. Go ahead, you can do it.

Politicians are politicians, regardless of party. They are quite pathetic creatures.

I'm not talking about just the profit they made in 2010 or anything they did in the year 2010.

Oh, and what was their profit margin? Profit alone means nothing.

And that last statement tells me all I need to know. So gullable. Sooo gullable, it's almost sad.

You guys do know that I'm not talking about just this year, right? Take a look back. Thanks.

You guys do know that I'm not talking about just this year, right? Take a look back. Thanks.

SpartanMSU

I think the idea that one has to find both parties equally bad or they're sheep is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

You guys do know that I'm not talking about just this year, right? Take a look back. Thanks.

SpartanMSU

Then what are you referring to? Discussion is a lot easier when you just say something instead of vaguely alluding to something that might be out there.

I think the idea that one has to find both parties equally bad or they're sheep is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

GreySeal9

I find the idea that one thinks that the party that they allign themselves with is somehow filled with less idiotic politicians than the other party is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

Oh look at me! Look at the people in my party! They are just soooo much better. I mean, they actually CARE about everyone. They aren't in it for a power high or anything like that!

Give me a break. Most politicians are a joke, no matter what party.

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You guys do know that I'm not talking about just this year, right? Take a look back. Thanks.

GabuEx

Then what are you referring to? Discussion is a lot easier when you just say something instead of vaguely alluding to something that might be out there.

Because I don't want to derail the thread which was originally about cutting Medicare?

I replied to one post and all hell broke loose. Calm down children...calm down.

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I think the idea that one has to find both parties equally bad or they're sheep is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

SpartanMSU

I find the idea that one thinks that the party that they allign themselves with is somehow filled with less idiotic politicians than the other party is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

Oh look at me! Look at the people in my party! They are just soooo much better. I mean, they actually CARE about everyone. They aren't in it for a power high or anything like that!

Give me a break. Most politicians are a joke, no matter what party.

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

You guys do know that I'm not talking about just this year, right? Take a look back. Thanks.

SpartanMSU

Then what are you referring to? Discussion is a lot easier when you just say something instead of vaguely alluding to something that might be out there.

Because I don't want to derail the thread which was originally about cutting Medicare?

I replied to one post and all hell broke loose. Calm down children...calm down.

"Calm down"? All I did was ask for clarification on what you meant. :P

2010 election was about a lot of things, but one of them was that Republicans cast themselves as the DEFENDERS of Medicare. nocoolnamejim

Could you imagine if Republicans were in control.

Just thinking about it scares me.

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Ah, yes, the company that made eleven billion dollars 2010 but didn't pay a dime in taxes, yet the Democrats are arguing that they are taxed way too much. Wait. Theokhoth

Try again. Do a little research. Enlighten yourself. Go ahead, you can do it.

Politicians are politicians, regardless of party. They are quite pathetic creatures.

What has the Democratic Party proposed that is equivalent to cutting Medicare to pay for tax cuts for the rich?

Sometimes one party really is worse than the other.

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You have to deepen the pockets of big buisness somehow

Yes, because Democrats don't do this at all. See: GE.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I think the idea that one has to find both parties equally bad or they're sheep is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

SpartanMSU

I find the idea that one thinks that the party that they allign themselves with is somehow filled with less idiotic politicians than the other party is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

Oh look at me! Look at the people in my party! They are just soooo much better. I mean, they actually CARE about everyone. They aren't in it for a power high or anything like that!

Give me a break. Most politicians are a joke, no matter what party.

It's not really that the Dems have less idiotic politicians. It that their values are better than the Republicans on these matters.

Could you imagine if Republicans were in control.

Just thinking about it scares me.

Blue-Sky

They'd get crushed in the next election, but it's not like that'd mean much, considering that in 2010 the American public had already forgotten who the Republican Party was. :P

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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I think the idea that one has to find both parties equally bad or they're sheep is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

GreySeal9

I find the idea that one thinks that the party that they allign themselves with is somehow filled with less idiotic politicians than the other party is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

Oh look at me! Look at the people in my party! They are just soooo much better. I mean, they actually CARE about everyone. They aren't in it for a power high or anything like that!

Give me a break. Most politicians are a joke, no matter what party.

It's not really that the Dems have less idiotic politicians. It that their values are better than the Republicans on these matters.

I would argue that Republican policy for the past few years has been based on specificially extreme and flawed ideology.. Where the Democrat party as of late has shown to be pragmatic in multiple areas..

This is actually the first time I can remember where a party actually frightened me.. I am no fearmonger that said it was doom when Bush was elected.. But what the Republican party is doing as of late seriously scares the hell out of me.. The Republicans have screwed themselves, the Democrats don't need to be the better party they just need to be the lesser of two evils.. I honestly hope things change with the Republican party.. It has radicalized.. Bluedog democrats and liberal republicans are disappearing.. And all we have now are these crazy people who have a Ayn Rand novel in one hand and a American flag waving in the other screaming at the top of their lungs.. The fact of the matter is this.. The Democrats in the past years have actually compromised to get things to pass.. The Republicans haven't 99% of the time, they seriously need a immense loss to have a reality check.. Or we are going to see the current trend, where it seems to win popularity in candidency is to be as crazy as possible in the Republican party (example: Trump).sSubZerOo

This is actually the first time I can remember where a party actually frightened me.. I am no fearmonger that said it was doom when Bush was elected.. But what the Republican party is doing as of late seriously scares the hell out of me.. The Republicans have screwed themselves, the Democrats don't need to be the better party they just need to be the lesser of two evils.. I honestly hope things change with the Republican party.. It has radicalized.. Bluedog democrats and liberal republicans are disappearing.. And all we have now are these crazy people who have a Ayn Rand novel in one hand and a American flag waving in the other screaming at the top of their lungs.. The fact of the matter is this.. The Democrats in the past years have actually compromised to get things to pass.. The Republicans haven't 99% of the time, they seriously need a immense loss to have a reality check.. Or we are going to see the current trend, where it seems to win popularity in candidency is to be as crazy as possible in the Republican party (example: Trump).sSubZerOo

I pretty much had the same thing happen to me when Paul Ryan's plan emerged and got endorsed by Republicans. Up until that point, I had pretty much felt like I disagreed with the Republican Party, but it was just ideological differences between us. Then they basically came out and said "**** old people, tax breaks for the rich hella yea". At that point I really, really tried to keep up that belief I had held, but I just couldn't do it; there is no way I could justify a position like that as just an ideological difference. To run the risk of invoking a sense of objective morality, Ryan's plan is just evil, plain and simple. It's a caricature of Republican policy that would be funny if it weren't for the fact that it's what Republicans actually support.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]This is actually the first time I can remember where a party actually frightened me.. I am no fearmonger that said it was doom when Bush was elected.. But what the Republican party is doing as of late seriously scares the hell out of me.. The Republicans have screwed themselves, the Democrats don't need to be the better party they just need to be the lesser of two evils.. I honestly hope things change with the Republican party.. It has radicalized.. Bluedog democrats and liberal republicans are disappearing.. And all we have now are these crazy people who have a Ayn Rand novel in one hand and a American flag waving in the other screaming at the top of their lungs.. The fact of the matter is this.. The Democrats in the past years have actually compromised to get things to pass.. The Republicans haven't 99% of the time, they seriously need a immense loss to have a reality check.. Or we are going to see the current trend, where it seems to win popularity in candidency is to be as crazy as possible in the Republican party (example: Trump).GabuEx

I pretty much had the same thing happen to me when Paul Ryan's plan emerged and got endorsed by Republicans. Up until that point, I had pretty much felt like I disagreed with the Republican Party, but it was just ideological differences between us. Then they basically came out and said "**** old people, tax breaks for the rich hella yea". At that point I really, really tried to keep up that belief I had held, but I just couldn't do it; there is no way I could justify a position like that as just an ideological difference. To run the risk of invoking a sense of objective morality, Ryan's plan is just evil, plain and simple. It's a caricature of Republican policy that would be funny if it weren't for the fact that it's what Republicans actually support.

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

I find the idea that one thinks that the party that they allign themselves with is somehow filled with less idiotic politicians than the other party is rather smug and obnoxious TBH.

Oh look at me! Look at the people in my party! They are just soooo much better. I mean, they actually CARE about everyone. They aren't in it for a power high or anything like that!

Give me a break. Most politicians are a joke, no matter what party.

sSubZerOo

It's not really that the Dems have less idiotic politicians. It that their values are better than the Republicans on these matters.

I would argue that Republican policy for the past few years has been based on specificially extreme and flawed ideology.. Where the Democrat party as of late has shown to be pragmatic in multiple areas..

Though I do think that the Democrats have some big issues, I do think they have shown themselves to be much more pragmatic.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]This is actually the first time I can remember where a party actually frightened me.. I am no fearmonger that said it was doom when Bush was elected.. But what the Republican party is doing as of late seriously scares the hell out of me.. The Republicans have screwed themselves, the Democrats don't need to be the better party they just need to be the lesser of two evils.. I honestly hope things change with the Republican party.. It has radicalized.. Bluedog democrats and liberal republicans are disappearing.. And all we have now are these crazy people who have a Ayn Rand novel in one hand and a American flag waving in the other screaming at the top of their lungs.. The fact of the matter is this.. The Democrats in the past years have actually compromised to get things to pass.. The Republicans haven't 99% of the time, they seriously need a immense loss to have a reality check.. Or we are going to see the current trend, where it seems to win popularity in candidency is to be as crazy as possible in the Republican party (example: Trump).GabuEx

I pretty much had the same thing happen to me when Paul Ryan's plan emerged and got endorsed by Republicans. Up until that point, I had pretty much felt like I disagreed with the Republican Party, but it was just ideological differences between us. Then they basically came out and said "**** old people, tax breaks for the rich hella yea". At that point I really, really tried to keep up that belief I had held, but I just couldn't do it; there is no way I could justify a position like that as just an ideological difference. To run the risk of invoking a sense of objective morality, Ryan's plan is just evil, plain and simple. It's a caricature of Republican policy that would be funny if it weren't for the fact that it's what Republicans actually support.

I don't know if I'd go as far as to use the word evil, but the plan is pretty damn morally bankrupt.

Republicans only care about the rich....

The OT GOP hasn't come in to defend this yet?X360PS3AMD05

Take away medicare = make seniors very angry.

They are going against the people who vote for them.

Maybe the GOP Congress has a collective political suicide wish.