Senate Republicans Vote to Privatize/End Medicare

Take away medicare = make seniors very angry.

They are going against the people who vote for them.

Wasdie

The OT GOP hasn't come in to defend this yet?X360PS3AMD05

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]The OT GOP hasn't come in to defend this yet?sonicare

Is this good or bad if it passes?

I love how only the Republican budgets got any votes while Obama's budget didn't receive one-single vote.:lol:

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]The OT GOP hasn't come in to defend this yet?DroidPhysX

[quote="The Hill"] The Senate on Wednesday resoundingly rejected a budget sponsored by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that calls for significant cuts to future Medicare benefits. Five Republican senators voted against the ambitious budget plan, which suffered only four Republican defections when the House passed it earlier this year. Ryan's budget fell by a vote of 40 to 57 after every Democrat lined up against it except for Sen. Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) who did not vote. Republican leaders voted for the Ryan plan but did not pressure colleagues to do the same, recognizing that it had no chance of passing and would likely become a political liability on the 2012 campaign trail. nocoolnamejim

Maybe what America needs is a third party. Perhaps we need Donald Trump to run as the Whig Party candidate.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]This is actually the first time I can remember where a party actually frightened me.. I am no fearmonger that said it was doom when Bush was elected.. But what the Republican party is doing as of late seriously scares the hell out of me.. The Republicans have screwed themselves, the Democrats don't need to be the better party they just need to be the lesser of two evils.. I honestly hope things change with the Republican party.. It has radicalized.. Bluedog democrats and liberal republicans are disappearing.. And all we have now are these crazy people who have a Ayn Rand novel in one hand and a American flag waving in the other screaming at the top of their lungs.. The fact of the matter is this.. The Democrats in the past years have actually compromised to get things to pass.. The Republicans haven't 99% of the time, they seriously need a immense loss to have a reality check.. Or we are going to see the current trend, where it seems to win popularity in candidency is to be as crazy as possible in the Republican party (example: Trump).GreySeal9

I pretty much had the same thing happen to me when Paul Ryan's plan emerged and got endorsed by Republicans. Up until that point, I had pretty much felt like I disagreed with the Republican Party, but it was just ideological differences between us. Then they basically came out and said "**** old people, tax breaks for the rich hella yea". At that point I really, really tried to keep up that belief I had held, but I just couldn't do it; there is no way I could justify a position like that as just an ideological difference. To run the risk of invoking a sense of objective morality, Ryan's plan is just evil, plain and simple. It's a caricature of Republican policy that would be funny if it weren't for the fact that it's what Republicans actually support.

I don't know if I'd go as far as to use the word evil, but the plan is pretty damn morally bankrupt.

"Morally bankrupt" sounds pretty darn close to "evil". :P

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][quote="The Hill"] The Senate on Wednesday resoundingly rejected a budget sponsored by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that calls for significant cuts to future Medicare benefits. Five Republican senators voted against the ambitious budget plan, which suffered only four Republican defections when the House passed it earlier this year. Ryan's budget fell by a vote of 40 to 57 after every Democrat lined up against it except for Sen. Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) who did not vote. Republican leaders voted for the Ryan plan but did not pressure colleagues to do the same, recognizing that it had no chance of passing and would likely become a political liability on the 2012 campaign trail. whipassmt

Maybe what America needs is a third party. Perhaps we need Donald Trump to run as the Whig Party candidate.

well at least we got this Ryan budget junk overwith. Now the next big thing is the so called "Biden Budget". Biden's not the one coming up with the budget though. It is being negotiated between a group of senators and overseen by President Biden.

My guess is that budget will also have it's fair share of problems and upset people.

Since it seems like neither the Obama or the Ryan Budget are likely to pass, maybe we should just go back to the Bush Budget.

well at least we got this Ryan budget junk overwith. Now the next big thing is the so called "Biden Budget". Biden's not the one coming up with the budget though. It is being negotiated between a group of senators and overseen by President Biden.

My guess is that budget will also have it's fair share of problems and upset people.

Since it seems like neither the Obama or the Ryan Budget are likely to pass, maybe we should just go back to the Bush Budget.

whipassmt

Republicans in Congress =/= Republicans as a whole

I'll just leave this right here.;)

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

well at least we got this Ryan budget junk overwith. Now the next big thing is the so called "Biden Budget". Biden's not the one coming up with the budget though. It is being negotiated between a group of senators and overseen by President Biden.

My guess is that budget will also have it's fair share of problems and upset people.

Since it seems like neither the Obama or the Ryan Budget are likely to pass, maybe we should just go back to the Bush Budget.

DroidPhysX

Republicans in Congress =/= Republicans as a whole

I'll just leave this right here.;)

KH-mixerX

Can you imagine what America would be like if the Republican party ever actually got what they wanted? Where rape victims would be forced to have their babies by law and the elderly would be left to die rather than have the government pay to take care of them. Sad. Ninja-Hippo

This could get interesting. I won't deny the first portion since the Republican Party is widely Pro-Life, although I'm not sure how divided they are in terms of the rape/incest issue.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Can you imagine what America would be like if the Republican party ever actually got what they wanted? Where rape victims would be forced to have their babies by law and the elderly would be left to die rather than have the government pay to take care of them. Sad. CycleOfViolence

This could get interesting. I won't deny the first portion since the Republican Party is widely Pro-Life, although I'm not sure how divided they are in terms of the rape/incest issue.

The party currently masquerading as the Republican party is a far cry from what many consider the real GOP; it's been hijacked by evangelicals and extreme right-wingers.

Boehner is now in full defense mode claiming that only Democrats have voted to cut Medicare.

I wonder how many people are going to fall for this line over the next year and a half.

Boehner is now in full defense mode claiming that only Democrats have voted to cut Medicare.

I wonder how many people are going to fall for this line over the next year and a half.

mattbbpl

I have to give them credit for one thing: it takes chutzpah to vote for something and then immediately thereafter publicly say that the other guys voted for it.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

Boehner is now in full defense mode claiming that only Democrats have voted to cut Medicare.

I wonder how many people are going to fall for this line over the next year and a half.

I have to give them credit for one thing: it takes chutzpah to vote for something and then immediately thereafter publicly say that the other guys voted for it.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

Boehner is now in full defense mode claiming that only Democrats have voted to cut Medicare.

I wonder how many people are going to fall for this line over the next year and a half.

GabuEx

I have to give them credit for one thing: it takes chutzpah to vote for something and then immediately thereafter publicly say that the other guys voted for it.

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Republicans in Congress =/= Republicans as a whole

I'll just leave this right here.;)

Theokhoth

It doesn't matter who they vote in. Pleasing the left has become a particularly fickle chore these days.

[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Republicans in Congress =/= Republicans as a whole

I'll just leave this right here.;)

Theokhoth

Maybe they could vote in a third party guy, like they did with Joe Lieberman (most of the Republicans voted for him in 06, but then again so did many democrats. And now poor Schlesinger got his campaign site taken over by the Japanese).

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Republicans in Congress =/= Republicans as a whole

I'll just leave this right here.;)

KH-mixerX

It doesn't matter who they vote in. Pleasing the left has become a particularly fickle chore these days.

[QUOTE="CycleOfViolence"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Can you imagine what America would be like if the Republican party ever actually got what they wanted? Where rape victims would be forced to have their babies by law and the elderly would be left to die rather than have the government pay to take care of them. Sad. Ninja-Hippo

This could get interesting. I won't deny the first portion since the Republican Party is widely Pro-Life, although I'm not sure how divided they are in terms of the rape/incest issue.

The party currently masquerading as the Republican party is a far cry from what many consider the real GOP; it's been hijacked by evangelicals and extreme right-wingers.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]

Republicans in Congress =/= Republicans as a whole

I'll just leave this right here.;)

whipassmt

Maybe they could vote in a third party guy, like they did with Joe Lieberman (most of the Republicans voted for him in 06, but then again so did many democrats. And now poor Schlesinger got his campaign site taken over by the Japanese).

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] The Republicans as a whole should really stop voting for the Republicans in Congress, then.Sandvichman

Maybe they could vote in a third party guy, like they did with Joe Lieberman (most of the Republicans voted for him in 06, but then again so did many democrats. And now poor Schlesinger got his campaign site taken over by the Japanese).

they are trying to stop theft ? how dare they ? dkdk999

I'm sorry, what theft are we talking about?

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]they are trying to stop theft ? how dare they ? worlock77

I'm sorry, what theft are we talking about?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]they are trying to stop theft ? how dare they ? dkdk999

I'm sorry, what theft are we talking about?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]they are trying to stop theft ? how dare they ? dkdk999

I'm sorry, what theft are we talking about?

:lol:

Taxation is theft now? For the love of... Even if you're an extreme far right conservative, that view doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I'm sorry, what theft are we talking about?

mattbbpl

:lol:

Taxation is theft now? For the love of... Even if you're an extreme far right conservative, that view doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]they are trying to stop theft ? how dare they ? dkdk999

I'm sorry, what theft are we talking about?

Nope. Taxation without representation is. You have representation.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I'm sorry, what theft are we talking about?

mattbbpl

:lol:

Taxation is theft now? For the love of... Even if you're an extreme far right conservative, that view doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I'm sorry, what theft are we talking about?

worlock77

Nope. Taxation without representation is. You have representation.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] well when the government takes money by force I would consider it theft. dkdk999

:lol:

Taxation is theft now? For the love of... Even if you're an extreme far right conservative, that view doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="dkdk999"] well when the government takes money by force I would consider it theft. dkdk999

Nope. Taxation without representation is. You have representation.

Do I really need to explain this to you? Seriously? This is something you should have learned in elementary school.

well when the government takes money by force I would consider it theft. dkdk999

:lol:

Taxation is theft now? For the love of... Even if you're an extreme far right conservative, that view doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][quote="The Hill"] The Senate on Wednesday resoundingly rejected a budget sponsored by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that calls for significant cuts to future Medicare benefits. Five Republican senators voted against the ambitious budget plan, which suffered only four Republican defections when the House passed it earlier this year. Ryan's budget fell by a vote of 40 to 57 after every Democrat lined up against it except for Sen. Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) who did not vote. Republican leaders voted for the Ryan plan but did not pressure colleagues to do the same, recognizing that it had no chance of passing and would likely become a political liability on the 2012 campaign trail. whipassmt

Maybe what America needs is a third party. Perhaps we need Donald Trump to run as the Whig Party candidate.

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

:lol:

Taxation is theft now? For the love of... Even if you're an extreme far right conservative, that view doesn't make sense.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][quote="The Hill"] The Senate on Wednesday resoundingly rejected a budget sponsored by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that calls for significant cuts to future Medicare benefits. Five Republican senators voted against the ambitious budget plan, which suffered only four Republican defections when the House passed it earlier this year. Ryan's budget fell by a vote of 40 to 57 after every Democrat lined up against it except for Sen. Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) who did not vote. Republican leaders voted for the Ryan plan but did not pressure colleagues to do the same, recognizing that it had no chance of passing and would likely become a political liability on the 2012 campaign trail. -RocBoys9489-

Maybe what America needs is a third party. Perhaps we need Donald Trump to run as the Whig Party candidate.

We need to bring back the Federalists and the Whigs. And Donald Trump should lead the Whigs.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="dkdk999"] You've never heard someone put forward the argument that taxation is theft? Thats a fairly popular position by libertarians. taxation is when government takes money witch is your property. If the government can take your money justly then it's not your money it's the governments money in witch case we are slaves to the state. I know this is a pretty radical position and your a little shocked by it. But can you kind of understand that position ?dkdk999

So you advocate anarchy?

[QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

:lol:

Taxation is theft now? For the love of... Even if you're an extreme far right conservative, that view doesn't make sense.

mattbbpl

[QUOTE="dkdk999"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Do the words "Sixteenth Amendment" mean anything?worlock77

So you advocate anarchy?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="dkdk999"] You've never heard someone put forward the argument that taxation is theft? Thats a fairly popular position by libertarians. taxation is when government takes money witch is your property. If the government can take your money justly then it's not your money it's the governments money in witch case we are slaves to the state. I know this is a pretty radical position and your a little shocked by it. But can you kind of understand that position ?dkdk999