sex is an innate right, so why is prostitution illegal?

sex is an innate right, so why is rape illegal?

coolbeans90

property is an innate right, so why is stealing illegal? That's how stupid your comparision is.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]By this logic, bestiality should also be legal, and incest, and pedophila...etc As much as I want to go around doing whatever I want, societies do not work like this, relatively healthy ones that is.GazaAli

bestiality can not be considered consensual

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Because they cant tax it.

l4dak47

Sex is not an innate right....there are restrictions. You might want to peruse the penal code...LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Not to say I'm supporting prostitution, but it, unlike those three is consensual and isn't damaging to other people.

themajormayor

bestiality can not be considered consensual

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Sex is not an innate right....there are restrictions. You might want to peruse the penal code...sonicare

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] all of the mentioned is consetual too, with pedophilia's consent being questionable.

Deihjan

bestiality can not be considered consensual

No it's in most cases a form of abuse. It's just like saying children get enjoyment from pedophilia.

And besides, prostitution, incest and paedophilia is just as non-consensual as rape. Incestuous relationships are more often than not build on abuse and domination. Prostitution is more often than not a result of human trafficking and drug abuse, and that's hardly a good thing to legalize. Paedophilia is more often than not consensual, believe it or not, even if the child is unaware of the actions being taken. Children are victimized by domineering adults who abuse the trust of the child.

It's only the result of that cause it's illegal. There would hardly be any need of trafficking if it was legal. Whenever something is illegal a black market arises. And the law has nothing to say within a black market. Leading to pimps and forced prostitution.

Yes, some prostitutes do it of their own accord, but rarely do they get enjoyment out of it. They do it for money, not for pleasure. They do it of necessity. They do it to survive.

Uh just like any job? That's the thing with jobs. It's for the money and rarely for pleasure.

It should be legalized if it could be controlled, if human trafficking could be stopped, but the abuse of human beings will never stop. No matter how much we wish it to. This world is not pretty and pink, with cotton candy clouds and soap streets. We live in a vicious, unfair, dog-eat-dog world.

It can be reduced though. I think there is less abuse if we don't let the pimps deal with this and instead maybe have state controlled prostitution or something like that. Obviously illegalizing it hasn't stopped abuse and trafficking.

It's only the result of that cause it's illegal. There would hardly be any need of trafficking if it was legal. Whenever something is illegal a black market arises. And the law has nothing to say within a black market. Leading to pimps and forced prostitution.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

It's only the result of that cause it's illegal. There would hardly be any need of trafficking if it was legal. Whenever something is illegal a black market arises. And the law has nothing to say within a black market. Leading to pimps and forced prostitution.

LJS9502_basic

Major, trust me. Legalizing prostitution wouldn't lessen the trafficking problem. It's more or less legal to be a prostitute in Denmark, if you don't work in a brothel or you have a pimp. But guess fukken what. 1/10 prostitutes on the streets of Copenhagen are free women. The rest are slaves. Owned by someone else. Abducted from their homes and brought to Denmark. Drug whores. Abused. Mistreated.Deihjan

"The country has an active sexual service industry made up of both trafficked and voluntary persons. The National Board of Social Services estimated that there were more than 5,567 male and female prostitutes working nationwide. An estimated 37 percent were foreigners, some of whom were believed to be trafficking victims. According to Copenhagen police, women were recruited in their native countries, transported to Denmark, and then forced into prostitution. However, no reliable figures are available with regard to how many persons were being trafficked. In 2008 the police met with 431 women suspected of association with trafficking and 72 were confirmed to be victims. Through March police met with 202 women, resulting in identification of 22 confirmed trafficking victims. Authorities suspected that traffickers had ties to organized crime."

More like 9/10 women are free it seems. And if brothels were legal they could get inspected and see that they meet the standards etc. So then people would know where to go to avoid dealing with victims of trafficking,

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

It's only the result of that cause it's illegal. There would hardly be any need of trafficking if it was legal. Whenever something is illegal a black market arises. And the law has nothing to say within a black market. Leading to pimps and forced prostitution.

LJS9502_basic

The more regulations the bigger black market.

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"][QUOTE="AussieePet"]Its illegal cause they spread stds duuuuh think AussieePet

[QUOTE="AussieePet"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"] So do people who aren't getting paid to have sex. DUH THINK.jesuschristmonk

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The problem with legalization is that some people are more or less forced into prostitution with human trafficking. That is not a minor issue....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"][QUOTE="AussieePet"] Yeah but every girl would wanna be a prostitute if it was legal , making it legal is a way of saying girls sell your body for money its ok to do it its legal LJS9502_basic

None of my wants are black and white...either/or. They are all just shades of gray

You are going to get more tax revenue from a legalized profession...from the actual event and the support/infrastucture. I would never expect to get all the tax income...but more is better than little to none.

Of course there are black markets for almost everything. But the less barriers in place = less blackmarket demand...so they would decrease (though never go away). So...

1. return a right to people that I believe is fundamental ('sell' your body in this manner if you choose to)

2. More tax revenue from that specific profession and the 'support' that goes along with it

3. better protection for those in the industry and their customers (like manufacturing jobs pre and post regulations)

4. they actually get benefits

5. less demand for black market 'goods' with decreased barriers/easier access ...though I am under no false allusions that I will get 'all' the tax revenue, make it 100% safe, or do away with black markets. I just think this it is better than what we have + it returns what I believe to be a fundamental human rightrawsavon

I don't know that less barriers help. Cost is the determinant. If prostitution is legal costs are added such as medical screening, benefits, etc. Which increase cost. There has always been a black market...and always will. I don't think a study has ever been done that can show revenue over cost for the profession. I don't really think it would end sex trafficking. What's the cost to the trafficker? Not much really. They already have a high profit margin so charging less than legalization would stil make it attractive to people that don't mind skirting laws for their pleasure.

Drugs are illegal for exactly the same reason, it Fks people up.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"] 'Cause girls don't already get that from being a stripper? If ANY job was as easy as letting some guy screw you for a couple seconds, then being on your way, OF COURSE everyone will jump for that job lol.jesuschristmonk

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]None of my wants are black and white...either/or. They are all just shades of gray

You are going to get more tax revenue from a legalized profession...from the actual event and the support/infrastucture. I would never expect to get all the tax income...but more is better than little to none.

Of course there are black markets for almost everything. But the less barriers in place = less blackmarket demand...so they would decrease (though never go away). So...

1. return a right to people that I believe is fundamental ('sell' your body in this manner if you choose to)

2. More tax revenue from that specific profession and the 'support' that goes along with it

3. better protection for those in the industry and their customers (like manufacturing jobs pre and post regulations)

4. they actually get benefits

5. less demand for black market 'goods' with decreased barriers/easier access ...though I am under no false allusions that I will get 'all' the tax revenue, make it 100% safe, or do away with black markets. I just think this it is better than what we have + it returns what I believe to be a fundamental human rightLJS9502_basic

I don't know that less barriers help. Cost is the determinant. If prostitution is legal costs are added such as medical screening, benefits, etc. Which increase cost. There has always been a black market...and always will. I don't think a study has ever been done that can show revenue over cost for the profession. I don't really think it would end sex trafficking. What's the cost to the trafficker? Not much really. They already have a high profit margin so charging less than legalization would stil make it attractive to people that don't mind skirting laws for their pleasure.

Drugs are illegal for exactly the same reason, it Fks people up.

rastotm

Sex is not an innate right. I am not entitled to sex, because I enjoy sex, or want to have sex.

It has to be earned.

And another thing. Remember Prohibition? And the actual increase in alcohol consumption it led to? It might have been related to the fact that drinking alcohol was illegal. I'm not saying it's 100%, but making prostitution legal might actually decrease the number of sexual acts it leads too.leeveeu

legalizing prostitution also increases sex trafficking. do research and you'll find countries who have legalized are not facing sex trafficking problems. even the women who have gone into on their will are being forced to do it now. or beaten and raped by their pimps. legalizing sex industry sounds great on paper. the reality of it is that it has some serious consequences.

i highly doubt it will decrease the sex acts. the desire for sex is much more the desire for booz.

And another thing. Remember Prohibition? And the actual increase in alcohol consumption it led to? It might have been related to the fact that drinking alcohol was illegal. I'm not saying it's 100%, but making prostitution legal might actually decrease the number of sexual acts it leads too.leeveeu

[QUOTE="leeveeu"]And another thing. Remember Prohibition? And the actual increase in alcohol consumption it led to? It might have been related to the fact that drinking alcohol was illegal. I'm not saying it's 100%, but making prostitution legal might actually decrease the number of sexual acts it leads too.jesuschristmonk

It's legalized in New Zealand and I dont see any change from when it was illegal. In fact it allowes brothels to bring in a lot of money for the government and attracts a lot of people from around the country.

It's legalized in New Zealand and I dont see any change from when it was illegal. In fact it allowes brothels to bring in a lot of money for the government and attracts a lot of people from around the country.

sailor232

It's really creepy for starters, and the only people who would take advantage of it would be weirdos.

So no to weirdos.

TopTierHustler

By weirdos you mean politicians, actors, professional athletes, and all men in general?

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

It's really creepy for starters, and the only people who would take advantage of it would be weirdos.

So no to weirdos.

By weirdos you mean politicians, actors, professional athletes, and all men in general?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]None of my wants are black and white...either/or. They are all just shades of gray

You are going to get more tax revenue from a legalized profession...from the actual event and the support/infrastucture. I would never expect to get all the tax income...but more is better than little to none.

Of course there are black markets for almost everything. But the less barriers in place = less blackmarket demand...so they would decrease (though never go away). So...

1. return a right to people that I believe is fundamental ('sell' your body in this manner if you choose to)

2. More tax revenue from that specific profession and the 'support' that goes along with it

3. better protection for those in the industry and their customers (like manufacturing jobs pre and post regulations)

4. they actually get benefits

5. less demand for black market 'goods' with decreased barriers/easier access ...though I am under no false allusions that I will get 'all' the tax revenue, make it 100% safe, or do away with black markets. I just think this it is better than what we have + it returns what I believe to be a fundamental human rightrawsavon

I don't know that less barriers help. Cost is the determinant. If prostitution is legal costs are added such as medical screening, benefits, etc. Which increase cost. There has always been a black market...and always will. I don't think a study has ever been done that can show revenue over cost for the profession. I don't really think it would end sex trafficking. What's the cost to the trafficker? Not much really. They already have a high profit margin so charging less than legalization would stil make it attractive to people that don't mind skirting laws for their pleasure.

You have more faith in humanity than I....LJS9502_basic

Never really understood why it's illegal. If no money changed hands it would be perfectly legal. I guess it's "immoral", but for the government to claim any sort of moral high ground on anything is beyond laughable.

I guess nowadays it has its health issues with AIDS and all that.

Never really understood why it's illegal. If no money changed hands it would be perfectly legal. I guess it's "immoral", but for the government to claim any sort of moral high ground on anything is beyond laughable.

I guess nowadays it has its health issues with AIDS and all that.

Prostitution is legal in Vegas, go there.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

sex is an innate right, so why is rape illegal?

themajormayor

property is an innate right, so why is stealing illegal? That's how stupid your comparision is.

The comparison is valid; it merely highlights flaws in OPs reasoning.

The only real problems with it is things like health issues (which can be avoided), human trafficking, etc.kris9031998

[QUOTE="sailor232"]

It's legalized in New Zealand and I dont see any change from when it was illegal. In fact it allowes brothels to bring in a lot of money for the government and attracts a lot of people from around the country.

jesuschristmonk

No the prostitutes are actually better off, as the government supports them now, they are able to have funding from healh and saftey so that disease wont spread so easily, Instead of the police raiding and arresting they now have the right for police protection when needed, employment disputes can be handled through the correct government agencies, these brothels must be registered and assigned a rating.

On the outside, as I look at the areas that are populated with prostution, it looks the same but the practice has got a lot safer for the client and the worker, the inside has cleaned up a lot.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

It's really creepy for starters, and the only people who would take advantage of it would be weirdos.

So no to weirdos.

sayyy-gaa

By weirdos you mean politicians, actors, professional athletes, and all men in general?

The only real problems with it is things like health issues (which can be avoided), human trafficking, etc.kris9031998