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Recipe for disaster or it's the best thing that could of happened to them?
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Link.
Mass gamespot errors so click link for story.
Recipe for disaster or it's the best thing that could of happened to them?
Now you can see why people like Ron Paul argue we shouldn't get involved in other country's business.
We could have helped to put a radical group in power. That was Ron Paul's argument all along....who are these people and are we dropping bombs to help them get into power?
"Abdul-Jalil said new banks would be set up to follow the Islamic banking system, which bans charging interest. For the time being, he said interest would be canceled from any personal loans already taken out less than 10,000 Libyan dinars (about $7,500)." F*** yeah!that's what people want
Harisemo
[QUOTE="Harisemo"]"Abdul-Jalil said new banks would be set up to follow the Islamic banking system, which bans charging interest. For the time being, he said interest would be canceled from any personal loans already taken out less than 10,000 Libyan dinars (about $7,500)." F*** yeah!that's what people want
Victorious_Fize
How do the banks pay for operating costs under that system?
[QUOTE="Harisemo"]"Abdul-Jalil said new banks would be set up to follow the Islamic banking system, which bans charging interest. For the time being, he said interest would be canceled from any personal loans already taken out less than 10,000 Libyan dinars (about $7,500)." F*** yeah!that's what people want
Victorious_Fize
I guess the prophet didn't understand the concept of "inflation".
[QUOTE="Harisemo"]"Abdul-Jalil said new banks would be set up to follow the Islamic banking system, which bans charging interest. For the time being, he said interest would be canceled from any personal loans already taken out less than 10,000 Libyan dinars (about $7,500)." F*** yeah! i saw a link earlier that claimed that libyan banks during gaddafi's rule could not take interest on loans because of the law. i am going to look for that link.that's what people want
Victorious_Fize
and the problem begins,it's not like if the constitution was based on secularity ppl would be losing their religious belief or something.i'm really disappinted in lybians.
Not exactly surprising. But the key thing to realise is that there are still "degrees" of Sharia law - in some countries it is a mix of religious law and civil law all the way through to the exclusively Sharia-based law of Saudi Arabia.
Islam has always been a mix of law and religion (Christianity is far less explicit about such things), so I don't think this means they're going to turn into a bunch of extremist nut-jobs over the next few months. Totalitarian regimes (of any persuasion) tend to relegate religion (regardless of what it is) to ensure their own power is considered supreme. That the legal system such regimes adopt is similar to our own doesn't necessarily mean it's what is best for that country.
"Abdul-Jalil said new banks would be set up to follow the Islamic banking system, which bans charging interest. For the time being, he said interest would be canceled from any personal loans already taken out less than 10,000 Libyan dinars (about $7,500)." F*** yeah![QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]
that's what people want
Wasdie
How do the banks pay for operating costs under that system?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006/jun/13/accounts.islamicfinance No economist btw, grabbed from Google. :P"Abdul-Jalil said new banks would be set up to follow the Islamic banking system, which bans charging interest. For the time being, he said interest would be canceled from any personal loans already taken out less than 10,000 Libyan dinars (about $7,500)." F*** yeah![QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]
that's what people want
PWSteal_Ldpinch
I guess the prophet didn't understand the concept of "inflation".
I guess the prophet didn't understand the concept of profit. just kidding
"Abdul-Jalil said new banks would be set up to follow the Islamic banking system, which bans charging interest. For the time being, he said interest would be canceled from any personal loans already taken out less than 10,000 Libyan dinars (about $7,500)." F*** yeah![QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]
that's what people want
PWSteal_Ldpinch
I guess the prophet didn't understand the concept of "inflation".
Please do explain.As I have detailed elsewhere,1 Gaddafi, an old adherent of Arab socialism on the line of Egypt's Gamal Nasser, used the oil revenues to improve the lot of his people. Health care was free as was education. Each Libyan family was given a state grant of $50000 towards buying a new house and all bank loans were according to Islamic anti-usury laws, interest free.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26763
gamespot wont let me linkify
[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] "Abdul-Jalil said new banks would be set up to follow the Islamic banking system, which bans charging interest. For the time being, he said interest would be canceled from any personal loans already taken out less than 10,000 Libyan dinars (about $7,500)." F*** yeah!Victorious_Fize
I guess the prophet didn't understand the concept of "inflation".
Please do explain.As a government prints more money, the cost of goods increases gradually. If something costs 10 units of currency today, It might cost 15 units of currency after a decade. If a bank decides to loan you money, they have to account for inflation. If they loan you 10, they have to take 15 after ten years or else they lose money. This is why it is necessary to charge interest, even if you don't want to make a profit.
This is why people need to study history.
It's like when lenin was replaced by stalin who was a much more brutal dictator.
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006/jun/13/accounts.islamicfinance No economist btw, grabbed from Google. :PWasdie
There are problems with that system, just like problems with an intrest based system. We'll see how it works.
Well, Sharia is merely Fiqh, and is neither a Hadith nor in Quran, so it's not "absolute" by Muslims and can change in a minute. Seriously though, not everything is about banking, back in the day, it was production, and exports, and is still is to this day.Please do explain.[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
I guess the prophet didn't understand the concept of "inflation".
PWSteal_Ldpinch
As a government prints more money, the cost of goods increases gradually. If something costs 10 units of currency today, It might cost 15 units of currency after a decade. If a bank decides to loan you money, they have to account for inflation. If they loan you 10, they have to take 15 after ten years or else they lose money. This is why it is necessary to charge interest, even if you don't want to make a profit.
Wasn't there a currency standard (gold I think?) that devalues unwanted markup rises like this? Surely there is a work around, no?[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Please do explain.Victorious_Fize
As a government prints more money, the cost of goods increases gradually. If something costs 10 units of currency today, It might cost 15 units of currency after a decade. If a bank decides to loan you money, they have to account for inflation. If they loan you 10, they have to take 15 after ten years or else they lose money. This is why it is necessary to charge interest, even if you don't want to make a profit.
Wasn't there a currency standard (gold I think?) that devalues unwanted markup rises like this? Surely there is a work around, no?There is no work around, because the price of gold changes. Unfortunately, the prophet didn't understand economics. He couldn't read!
[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Please do explain.Victorious_Fize
As a government prints more money, the cost of goods increases gradually. If something costs 10 units of currency today, It might cost 15 units of currency after a decade. If a bank decides to loan you money, they have to account for inflation. If they loan you 10, they have to take 15 after ten years or else they lose money. This is why it is necessary to charge interest, even if you don't want to make a profit.
Wasn't there a currency standard (gold I think?) that devalues unwanted markup rises like this? Surely there is a work around, no?When you stop trading goods for goods and use a base currency, inflation is unavoidable. Not to mention it's completely healthy for an economy.
is there anything to indicate that current banks charge interest in a non-islamic way in libya?Kh1ndjal
I don't think any of us are saying it's bad. It's just a foreign concept to us. From what I read, Islamic banks work more like a business. They sell services, not money. Western banks sell money.
Wasn't there a currency standard (gold I think?) that devalues unwanted markup rises like this? Surely there is a work around, no?[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
As a government prints more money, the cost of goods increases gradually. If something costs 10 units of currency today, It might cost 15 units of currency after a decade. If a bank decides to loan you money, they have to account for inflation. If they loan you 10, they have to take 15 after ten years or else they lose money. This is why it is necessary to charge interest, even if you don't want to make a profit.
PWSteal_Ldpinch
When you stop trading goods for goods and use a base currency, inflation is unavoidable. Not to mention it's completely healthy for an economy.
Well, I guess Libya can manage with its oil, can't it? Healthy for the economy is not quite as important as healthy for the people too.Wasn't there a currency standard (gold I think?) that devalues unwanted markup rises like this? Surely there is a work around, no?[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
As a government prints more money, the cost of goods increases gradually. If something costs 10 units of currency today, It might cost 15 units of currency after a decade. If a bank decides to loan you money, they have to account for inflation. If they loan you 10, they have to take 15 after ten years or else they lose money. This is why it is necessary to charge interest, even if you don't want to make a profit.
PWSteal_Ldpinch
There is no work around, because the price of gold changes. Unfortunately, the prophet didn't understand economics. He couldn't read!
Good for you! And is the statement "there is no work around" absolute and factual or opinionated and subjective?[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"]is there anything to indicate that current banks charge interest in a non-islamic way in libya?Wasdie
I don't think any of us are saying it's bad. It's just a foreign concept to us. From what I read, Islamic banks work more like a business. They sell services, not money. Western banks sell money.
if you looked at my sources it seems what this guy is saying is "all new banks will run as they did, in the islamic way" as opposed to saying "we are making banks MORE islamic from now". if it's the first, then it hardly makes a difference to libyans at this point anyway.Wasn't there a currency standard (gold I think?) that devalues unwanted markup rises like this? Surely there is a work around, no?[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
As a government prints more money, the cost of goods increases gradually. If something costs 10 units of currency today, It might cost 15 units of currency after a decade. If a bank decides to loan you money, they have to account for inflation. If they loan you 10, they have to take 15 after ten years or else they lose money. This is why it is necessary to charge interest, even if you don't want to make a profit.
Wasdie
When you stop trading goods for goods and use a base currency, inflation is unavoidable. Not to mention it's completely healthy for an economy.
I am really no expert in Islamic economics. But I think if, for example, you want to get a loan for a business, the bank doesn't "loan" you the money, rather it becomes your partner. If the business succeeds and makes money, you split the profit. Otherwise, both the bank and the other party lose money.[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"]is there anything to indicate that current banks charge interest in a non-islamic way in libya?Wasdie
I don't think any of us are saying it's bad. It's just a foreign concept to us. From what I read, Islamic banks work more like a business. They sell services, not money. Western banks sell money.
Can you explain more?
and who are you to decide which kind of crazy is better for "these islamic countries"?And people actually thought they wanted democracy? What a bunch of morons.
Dictatorship is the best thing you can hope for in these Islamic countries because at least it keeps the religious crazies from coming to power.
dpeter45
That's just dumb. The type of people who want a democracy are the types that are not religious crazies, therefore it is extremely unlikely that the religious crazies would ever get in power.And people actually thought they wanted democracy? What a bunch of morons.
Dictatorship is the best thing you can hope for in these Islamic countries because at least it keeps the religious crazies from coming to power.
dpeter45
So, you support the dictators that were ousted then? O.oAnd people actually thought they wanted democracy? What a bunch of morons.
Dictatorship is the best thing you can hope for in these Islamic countries because at least it keeps the religious crazies from coming to power.
dpeter45
That's just dumb. The type of people who want a democracy are the types that are not religious crazies, therefore it is extremely unlikely that the religious crazies would ever get in power.[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="dpeter45"]
And people actually thought they wanted democracy? What a bunch of morons.
Dictatorship is the best thing you can hope for in these Islamic countries because at least it keeps the religious crazies from coming to power.
dpeter45
Arabs don't want democracy. That's what no one seems to understand. You have the choice between dictatorship and theocracy, and of the two dictatorship is better.
Better for who exactly? The west? The people who live in the country?Better for who exactly? The west? The people who live in the country?[QUOTE="dangamit"][QUOTE="dpeter45"]
Arabs don't want democracy. That's what no one seems to understand. You have the choice between dictatorship and theocracy, and of the two dictatorship is better.
dpeter45
Both.
Arabs are barbaric people who need to be ruled with an iron fist, otherwise everything goes to hell. We probably just created another Afghanistan by ousting Gaddafi.
you cant really think that, can you? that incredibly offensive
[QUOTE="dpeter45"]
[QUOTE="dangamit"] Better for who exactly? The west? The people who live in the country?Phaze-Two
Both.
Arabs are barbaric people who need to be ruled with an iron fist, otherwise everything goes to hell. We probably just created another Afghanistan by ousting Gaddafi.
you cant really think that, can you? that incredibly offensive
It's also incredibly true. Cultural relativism is a bunch of crap. Arabs are culturally inferior because they treat women like dirt and want to murder all non muslims.
[QUOTE="dpeter45"]
[QUOTE="dangamit"] Better for who exactly? The west? The people who live in the country?Phaze-Two
Both.
Arabs are barbaric people who need to be ruled with an iron fist, otherwise everything goes to hell. We probably just created another Afghanistan by ousting Gaddafi.
you cant really think that, can you? that incredibly offensive
Don't sweat it, the mods seem to have loosened up, so I'm beginning to get used to the idea. x_xBetter for who exactly? The west? The people who live in the country?[QUOTE="dangamit"][QUOTE="dpeter45"]
Arabs don't want democracy. That's what no one seems to understand. You have the choice between dictatorship and theocracy, and of the two dictatorship is better.
dpeter45
Both.
Arabs are barbaric people who need to be ruled with an iron fist, otherwise everything goes to hell. We probably just created another Afghanistan by ousting Gaddafi.
Riiiiiiiight... Look, son. Maybe you should start discussing middle eastern politics once you know the difference between Arab and Afghan. For now, GTFO.[QUOTE="dpeter45"][QUOTE="dangamit"] Better for who exactly? The west? The people who live in the country?dangamit
Both.
Arabs are barbaric people who need to be ruled with an iron fist, otherwise everything goes to hell. We probably just created another Afghanistan by ousting Gaddafi.
Riiiiiiiight... Look, son. Maybe you should start discussing middle eastern politics once you know the difference between Arab and Afghan. For now, GTFO.The arabs stone women and the Afghans rape little boys (google pederasty if you don't believe me). Like I said, you can't give democracy to these kinds of people. They're just too barbaric. They're stuck in the Middle Ages. Dictatorship is the best thing for them until they can learn to abandon their stupid violent religion and join the rest of the world in the 21st century.
[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]
[QUOTE="dpeter45"]
Both.
Arabs are barbaric people who need to be ruled with an iron fist, otherwise everything goes to hell. We probably just created another Afghanistan by ousting Gaddafi.
dpeter45
you cant really think that, can you? that incredibly offensive
It's also incredibly true. Cultural relativism is a bunch of crap. Arabs are culturally inferior because they treat women like dirt and want to murder all non muslims.
you were talking about arabs, then changed to afghans, then changed to talking about muslims as if they were all the same thing... i agree that according to my moral preferences, islam is culturally inferior. but you don't need to get racist on us.
some people just hating on sharia law just for the sake of hating .most of u dont know even 5% of what shariyat is.
fully implement sharia on any country and you will get good results quick. if libya is building its legislation on the foundation of sharia law then they will defiantely be back on track (of progress)in no time
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