Shooting at Oregon community college

Bring in the government to ban national media coverage of mass shootings? That doesn't sound very conservative. Aren't you supposed to declare that the government should get it's nose out of everyone's business?

Do you know what would really help, since you mention extremism? Developing a culture of understand, discourse and intelligence. The easiest past to this is education, which is not currently either encouraged or adequately funded in this country.

Operation gun control in full effect in the most liberal area.

I wasn't really be serious about banning media coverage of this, though I think to some extent mass media coverage of these events does increase the likelihood of copycats.

@Gaming-Planet said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

Destroy all guns, ban them, never make them again. ABOLISH ALL GUNS!

Pretty much every developed country gets by without them just fine.

Was he a thug or have mental illness?

@Master_Live: AirCommie, that's a good one.

@ReadingRainbow4:What's the joke, the "barrel roll" part? He might very well have said it. He was obviously a bit crazy.

That's some deep poetry right there!

Not going to happen. For better and worse, once a technology is invented it is rarely uninvented, unless of course there is a traumatic event -like a large scale war or natural disaster - that sets humanity society back to a more primitive state where it no longer has the capability of producing such inventions. Other than that the technology would just have to stick around until something new renders it obsolete.

What are you guys trained to do in such a situation? And I'm guessing that although you're college doesn't allow guns, the college doesn't take steps to ensure people aren't bringing them in to college. I'm not really sure how they could do that. Maybe they can have metal detectors, or random frisks, but there are too many people to frisk everyone, so I'm not really sure how a college can enforce a policy against bringing guns on campus. And if a policy is too difficult to enforce, is it worth having it in the first place?

You're correct. Mental illness should always be considered. But, whipassmt brought up a good point. Does not fitting in qualify as a real mental illness or is it inadequate training to deal with life? We were all that kid's age once. I had to deal with my own frustrations and failures. Either I found a way to get through them or had people help me. If it's not a real mental illness, then it's a change in our culture (compared to when I was younger) that is causing these people to act out. We have to figure out what that change is and how to address it.

Anti-bullying measures aren't going to work and bullied people aren't going to snap and start a murder spree. For example the columbine shooters were the actual bullies and had major problems to begin with. In fact, many of the shooters had major problems such as social isolation.

Perhaps the culture changes too fast, beyond what human nature can catch up to. People have been talking about "anomie" since the 18th century. Maybe these shootings and events are the result of modern society. Perhaps humans are instinctually and naturally suited for smaller, tribal-based rural societies, and being placed in a modernized, semi-urbanized, nation-state society, puts a strain on a lot of people and leaves a lot of people as emotional "drifters" without much sense of belonging to a larger group, such as a village or a traditional extended family/kinship group.

I've long suspected drug companies are suppressing information on the side effects of whatever psych meds most shooters are taking. Seems like every shooter was either on meds or just coming off their meds. Or were clearly violently schizo and probably should have been locked up. It also doesn't help that the media jumps on these events and displays every little detail about the shooters life. Back in the 90s, they turned high speed chases into a sport, and attention seekers everywhere were trying their luck to get on camera. If you want to stop it, if no more than three people were involved, it isn't a mass shooting, and has no business on cnn. If more than three, just report it, then drop it. Don't release the name, don't release his life story, and don't show the aftermath. Eventually, like the car chases, the problem will go away.

I'm not American so it's not my problem. I can't help but shake my head though. Obama is right about one thing...it's 'routine'.

If bullying is the case then it should be a lesson learned; don't bully the quiet/weird kid in the corner infact you should go out of your way to be nice to him because you just never know.

That's the thing with you pro gun guys it takes more and more deaths before you will even think about tougher gun laws, when maybe the last few shootings could have been prevented if you all were in support and spoke out for tougher gun laws in the first place and not wait for the problem to get worse.

Apart from explosives guns are the most effective means to kill a large group of people quickly and efficiently, guns are very dangerous and especially in the wrong hands. Yes a person could use a car a knife what ever but those things are not as effective at mass kiiling. So i would say yes guns are the problem.

lol repoublicans

What happened?

That tinfoil hat must fit pretty well.

That's like pointing to car fatality statistic and say cars are the problem. The issue isn't actually gun but guns in the wrong hand. The only thing gun control law is preventing is law abiding citizens ability to defend themselves not the criminals access to firearms. Instead of playing the armchair general, ask the people who are on the front line of fighting crimes and have the greatest interest in keeping the streets safe. In a recent LEO survey, one of the largest ever conducted for police officers, cops overwhelmingly supports armed citizens and don't believe that gun control is effective at lowering crime. http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislation-Law-Enforcement/articles/6183787-PoliceOnes-Gun-Control-Survey-11-key-lessons-from-officers-perspectives/

As for knives being less "effective", some individuals with box cutters were able to kill few thousands Americans on 911.

For all those who say "don't blame guns, we don't need gun control etc etc", let me ask you this... why is it that most mass shootings occur in the US? You very, very rarely hear of any other country having mass shootings like this. And so frequently. So why is it?

I just seriously can't understand why most Americans are so against gun control... Nobody is saying that all guns will be banned and nobody can own a gun. That's ridiculous. But the simple fact is that having such easy access to assault rifles that are designed to do mass damage, all you need is some psycho to have access to one and you end up with these mass shootings.

Anyway... until something is done, more people are going to be slaughtered like this. Fact.

@bmanva:

"That's like pointing to car fatality statistic and say cars are the problem."

Not really because cars are not the weapon of choice when it comes purposely killing a large number of people, but i get your point most if not all car accidents are because of human error if not for a fault on the car.

"In a recent LEO survey, one of the largest ever conducted for police officers, cops overwhelmingly supports armed citizens"

Yeh thats why they are always so jumpy when they pull anyone over or stop them in the street or approach a suspects house. I'm sure they would much prefer that the police were the only ones with guns, that would make their jobs alot safer.

And with states passing laws that allow you to use lethal force against an officer you feel is being unlawful and a threat i reckon they will be eating that survey.

I can see alot of pros for owning a gun but the one con of that gun getting into the wrong hands weighs equal to if not more than the pros.

911; the outcome would have been the same wether they used knives or guns to take over the planes.

These discussions are always predictable.

If people were really serious about legislating guns to prevent gun crime, they wouldn't focus on mass killings or "assault weapons". Mass killings are a small percentage of overall gun murders, and "assault weapons" are almost never used.

Most shootings are committed with handguns, yet nobody ever focuses on them. Even the father of that newswoman shot on air with a handgun was calling for an "assault weapon" ban instead of looking at handguns. The assault weapon ban of the Clinton era statistically had no effect on gun crime.

So, like, do you have any ideas for actual solutions?

How is that remotely practical or enforceable? News sources aren't going to voluntarily stop covering these kinds of stories, because these stories get a lot of attention. And you can't force the news media to stop covering this sort of shit, because that would be scary as ****. No goddamn way that would fly in the USA.

Increase mental health awareness, increase resources for people to get the help they need (we have almost NO mental health care system here in the States...), get rid of the ridiculous gun loopholes I mentioned, enforce the laws already on the books, etc.

Here is the thing from a political point: Republicans say its not a gun issue its a mental health issue. Ok, but these politicians are also against nationalized health care. If its a mental health issue, why not be willing to attempt to nip this by letting more possible nuts get treatment? See, at this point we have neither strict gun regulations nor nationalized health care. Yet what we do have is a problem no other first world, developed country has to this level. We have 6 times as many gun deaths per capita a year than all of Europe. Six times!! To do nothing is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. And that is the very definition of insanity. Something has to be changed.

And you miserable scumbags republicans can whine but he won't stop,

"Each time this happens, I'm going to bring this up," Obama said during emotional remarks in the White House press room. "Each time this happens, I am going to say that we can actually do something about it, but we're going to have to change our laws."

1) The whole mental health angle is a nice idea, but I think that's kind of a longshot. Here's the thing: a lot of people in the USA don't get their mental illnesses treated because of lack of opportunity, but because of a stigma against mental illness. And unless you're advocating FORCING people to get diagnosed and treated for mental illnesses (which I think people would have a big problem with, considering the whole "personal liberties" thing), how does tying mental illness to mass shootings make people WANT to go get diagnosed and treated? That's just reinforcing the stigma against the mentally ill by propagating the idea that mental illness is responsible for mass shootings. People would rather get their mental illnesses undiagnosed and untreated and deal with it as best they can, rather than seek treatment and then be social pariahs because they've just outed themselves as a potential mass murderer.

2) Gun loopholes? Okay, but just a small drop in the bucket.

3) I'm all for enforcement of existing laws, but I was under the impression that one of the main reasons for lack of enforcement on existing laws is lack of funding. And that often increasing funding to better enforce existing laws requires doing things like raising taxes.

Bottom line is that there isn't any easy answer to this. There are some plausible things that we could be doing, but I don't see any of them being any kind of big fix. If mass shootings are a gaping wound, I haven't seen any realistic solutions that amount to more than a mere band-aid. And yeah, slapping a band-aid on a gaping wound might help a little bit, but that sure as shit don't fix the problem.

@servomaster said:

@Gaming-Planet said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

Destroy all guns, ban them, never make them again. ABOLISH ALL GUNS!

Pretty much every developed country gets by without them just fine.

Exactly. There are lots of other countries with high gun ownership that have nowhere near the gun crime America has, so that points to something other than high gun ownership being the problem. I may be wrong, but I feel Americans tend to be quite blasé when it comes to firearms, lax policies surrounding gun ownership certainly points to it. Most of the civilized world find America's attitude towards guns, and the availability of high-powered rifles and ammunition to be downright bizarre.

@-God- said:

Didn't some guy kill a bunch of people and injure like 40 others with his car this summer in Austria?

@PernicioEnigma said:

@servomaster said:

@Gaming-Planet said:

@AlexKidd5000 said:

Destroy all guns, ban them, never make them again. ABOLISH ALL GUNS!

Pretty much every developed country gets by without them just fine.

Exactly. There are lots of other countries with high gun ownership that have nowhere near the gun crime America has, so that points to something other than high gun ownership being the problem. I may be wrong, but I feel Americans tend to be quite blasé when it comes to firearms, lax policies surrounding gun ownership certainly points to it. Most of the civilized world find America's attitude towards guns, and the availability of high-powered rifles and ammunition to be downright bizarre.

I think it has more to do with the fact that the U.S. is not very culturally or socioeconomically homogeneous. People with a lot of differences often times don't get along.

@topgunmv said:

@-God- said:

Didn't some guy kill a bunch of people and injure like 40 others with his car this summer in Austria?

He's talking about overall and routinely. No advanced country is on the level of USA when it comes to this stuff.

Isn't that worse in Europe.......?

@davillain-: 26/male and came to the conclusion that shooting people was the only way to be immortalised as an unknown individual.

#landofthefree

@Aljosa23: Gun laws are not the answer. Our culture has changed over the last fifty years to where every thing is acceptable today. There is no personal responsibility, everyone is special, the entertainment industry has pushed the boundaries on everything so that nothing shocks us anymore.Political correctness has taken over our speech to the point you can't be blunt when talking to people because they might get offended. Religion has been pushed out of the public square and our moral compass is just spinning around. Gun laws won't fix our culture.

Indeed, that is one of the main reasons that's not sitting well with me, on the way America's currently going and being run these days. No real good changes ever seem to be able to break through and actually happen. Even if there has been, good changes to better society and the world really look minimal and are not big enough to notice.

Things are feeling rather disturbing and creepy in this reality, I think we're definitely in a point in time where it certainly shouldn't take a genius to notice signs that America's plunging into an irreversible oblivion.

Well, this is interesting:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/02/oregon-college-shooting-he-asked-are-you-christian-then-he-shot-and-killed-them

Oregon college shooting: 'He asked are you Christian? Then he shot and killed them'

“‘Are you a Christian?’ he would ask them, and ‘if you are a Christian then stand up’ and they would stand up. He’d say ‘because you are a Christian you’re going to see God in about one second’ and then he shot and killed them. And he kept going down the line doing this to people.

So, basically atheist terrorist?

I'm sure you personally don't care what the person's color is.

That's why you asked.

@alim298 : Sounds kinda like that Chapel Hill guy from February.

@faizanhd: if you had a bit of comprehension then you would've seen that I had a theory of how mainstream media works.......apparently I was right , he's mixed.

Yes
As, if you aren't Christian
You are automatically an atheist...

Turns out the sole reason he did this was for media attention. And the the media once again posts his name, picture, and every little detail about his life. Fucking idiots. Of course we have no idea how many pills he has to pop every day to appear normal.

1) Maybe it wasn't clear enough, but I said awareness of mental illness needs to be pushed, which I was meaning that people need to be better educated on the topic of mental illness, which would also include getting RID of the stigmas it has.

2) That "small" drop would have saved at least 9 people this year. As I mentioned the only reason that Carolina church psycho got his gun was because of one of the dumbest loopholes I have ever seen...

3) Well this part also ties into the loophole bit. You have all these laws on the book in regards to what can take your gun privileges away from you, but then you go and put a stipulation in where NONE OF THAT APPLIES IF YOU GO TO A GUN SHOW! Also, background checks don't matter if the government takes a bit too long to finish them? Seriously? Why even bother with restrictions if you are going to throw in stupid shit like that which give ANYONE the opportunity to legally purchase a weapon...

I will say there is a certain un-measurable factor of a culture issue in our country that will be by far the hardest part of this issue to fix. There is an underlying issue of glorifying violence and distrust of others in our country that help create these massacres, but there is no reason why we can't help fix these other parts of the problem why we look for a solution to the issues with our culture in the US.

Or the people... oh well, at least I don't go to uni each day with the fear that someone might shoot me.

If they have a problem they should take themselves to a mental health facility.......

@-God- said:

He was wrong though; this kind of mass violence doesn't happen anywhere in the world.

So much tactlessness in this topic. Now isn't the time for petty bickering and cavils; leave the gun control debate till after mourning. For now, eat your burger, and God bless America.

Also, cue the gunman with mental illness.