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#1 weezyfb
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should this be banned or kept going?

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#2 Bloodaxe726
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How is there possibly a debate for this? It should be banned.

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the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.

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the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.

EMOEVOLUTION


In many ways we are.

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#5 Treflis
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Well if you ban it then Sarah Palin will probably go back into politics.
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#6 -Sun_Tzu-
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But then there would be less caribu for us to hunt...:(

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#7 1KyardStare
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Where do you live? Is this your state's solution to animal numbers? If not then stop persecuting others for their state's solution to animal population control.
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#8 Setsa
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I really don't understand how so many people can find joy in the needless suffering of an animal : /
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Only if it's in the Artic and infected. (bonus points to those who figure this out)

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#10 carrot-cake
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I really don't understand how so many people can find joy in the needless suffering of an animal : /Setsa

Well it depends on why they're being shot.

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#11 Setsa
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[QUOTE="Setsa"]I really don't understand how so many people can find joy in the needless suffering of an animal : /carrot-cake


Well it depends on why they're being shot.

I can see a reasonable explanation for food and even in the rare occasion population control (as long as the carcasses are used), but I really don't get the people that go out every second weekend to shoot a deer for fun on a saturday night.
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Only if it's in the Artic and infected. (bonus points to those who figure this out)

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EDIT~~ Anyways, yeah I agree with the banning, unless the above circumstances apply. Ill kill every goddamn wolf in the arctic circle if it means Kurt Russel is keptsafe...:P

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#13 tzar3
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As in hunting?

Thats a bit too much...

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I really don't understand how so many people can find joy in the needless suffering of an animal : /Setsa
Just from hunting licenses, tags and stamps; all together, national sales, the main funding mechanism for state conservation agencies, set a new record, topping $723 million. This was a 2007 figure and it doesn't specify Alaska's take of the sales but from a hunter I can tell you it was probably very high. This does not include the taxes from hunting gear sales (gear to include everything for a hunt). The total profits are in the billions and this money goes into state and federal agencies to help with trail upkeep, trash removal, buying and preserving woodlands and wetlands, etc. Would you rather the government raise taxes for this or just let the wild turn into a dump (so much for the green movement). The taxes were suggested by sportsmen (hunters) and enacted as The Pittman-Robertson Act (1937) which imposed an excise tax of 10 per cent on all hunting gear; then the Dingell-Johnson act (1950) that did the same for fishing gear. The Wallop-Breaux amendment (1984) extended the tax to the fuel for boats. All were passed and are supported by us sportsmen. All use the proceeds to fund state and Federal conservation projects. None of these numbers represents the income made from individuals with lodges, guide services, transportation services, etc.
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Shooting any animals should be against the law....

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#16 Brainkiller05
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I thought of some sort of launcher which shoots wolves out of helicopters, that'd be awesome.
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Shooting any animals should be against the law....

siddarthshetty
What is your suggestion for aniimal control, not to mention replacing the lost revenue for state and federal coffers? If animal numbers are not kept in check then they will die of disease and malnutrition (starving to death), not exactly a humanitarian effort on our part. With runaway animal numbers our groceries will cost more, this would come from the destruction (eating and trampling of crops) of our crops. The cost of groceries is only one example of the problems that would occur. Your suggestions?
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#18 TaMuK711
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The only time it's ok to shoot wolves from a helicopteris when your a german research team trying to kill an alien that is only disguising itself as a dog.

(If none of you get the movie reference your all bad people)

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#19 carrot-cake
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The only time it's ok to shoot wolves from a helicopteris when your a german research team trying to kill an alien that is only disguising itself as a dog.

(If none of you get the movie reference your all bad people)

TaMuK711


Someone already made the reference.

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#20 siddarthshetty
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[QUOTE="siddarthshetty"]

Shooting any animals should be against the law....

1KyardStare
What is your suggestion for aniimal control, not to mention replacing the lost revenue for state and federal coffers? If animal numbers are not kept in check thay die of disease and malnutrition (starving to death), not exactly a humanitarian effort on our part. With runaway animal numbers our groceries will cost more, this would come from the destruction (eating and trampling of crops) of our crops. Your suggestions?

Its always better if there is more reserves...otherwise most of the animals will be extinct soon..
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Just from hunting licenses, tags and stamps; all together, national sales, the main funding mechanism for state conservation agencies, set a new record, topping $723 million. This was a 2007 figure and it doesn't specify Alaska's take of the sales but from a hunter I can tell you it was probably very high. This does not include the taxes from hunting gear sales (gear to include everything for a hunt). The total profits are in the billions and this money goes into state and federal agencies to help with trail upkeep, trash removal, buying and preserving woodlands and wetlands, etc. Would you rather the government raise taxes for this or just let the wild turn into a dump (so much for the green movement). The taxes were suggested by sportsmen (hunters) and enacted as The Pittman-Robertson Act (1937) which imposed an excise tax of 10 per cent on all hunting gear; then the Dingell-Johnson act (1950) that did the same for fishing gear. The Wallop-Breaux amendment (1984) extended the tax to the fuel for boats. All were passed and are supported by us sportsmen. All use the proceeds to fund state and Federal conservation projects. None of these numbers represents the income made from individuals with lodges, guide services, transportation services, etc.1KyardStare

Hunting is fine, I'm an avid hunter myself. That's not what this is about, it's about shooting an animal from a helicopter, leaving it with no way to escape. That's just killing, not hunting.

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#22 carrot-cake
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[QUOTE="1KyardStare"][QUOTE="siddarthshetty"]

Shooting any animals should be against the law....

siddarthshetty

What is your suggestion for aniimal control, not to mention replacing the lost revenue for state and federal coffers? If animal numbers are not kept in check thay die of disease and malnutrition (starving to death), not exactly a humanitarian effort on our part. With runaway animal numbers our groceries will cost more, this would come from the destruction (eating and trampling of crops) of our crops. Your suggestions?

Its always better if there is more reserves...otherwise most of the animals will be extinct soon..


Not always, too much of something is usually a bad thing.

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#23 1KyardStare
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[QUOTE="1KyardStare"][QUOTE="siddarthshetty"]

Shooting any animals should be against the law....

siddarthshetty
What is your suggestion for aniimal control, not to mention replacing the lost revenue for state and federal coffers? If animal numbers are not kept in check thay die of disease and malnutrition (starving to death), not exactly a humanitarian effort on our part. With runaway animal numbers our groceries will cost more, this would come from the destruction (eating and trampling of crops) of our crops. Your suggestions?

Its always better if there is more reserves...otherwise most of the animals will be extinct soon..

How do we pay for the reserve, the loss of land and loss of taxes from the normal use of the land, and the upkeep of the reserve? I can repost or you can read my other post on the current method used?
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Only if it's in the Artic and infected. (bonus points to those who figure this out)

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[QUOTE="1KyardStare"] Just from hunting licenses, tags and stamps; all together, national sales, the main funding mechanism for state conservation agencies, set a new record, topping $723 million. This was a 2007 figure and it doesn't specify Alaska's take of the sales but from a hunter I can tell you it was probably very high. This does not include the taxes from hunting gear sales (gear to include everything for a hunt). The total profits are in the billions and this money goes into state and federal agencies to help with trail upkeep, trash removal, buying and preserving woodlands and wetlands, etc. Would you rather the government raise taxes for this or just let the wild turn into a dump (so much for the green movement). The taxes were suggested by sportsmen (hunters) and enacted as The Pittman-Robertson Act (1937) which imposed an excise tax of 10 per cent on all hunting gear; then the Dingell-Johnson act (1950) that did the same for fishing gear. The Wallop-Breaux amendment (1984) extended the tax to the fuel for boats. All were passed and are supported by us sportsmen. All use the proceeds to fund state and Federal conservation projects. None of these numbers represents the income made from individuals with lodges, guide services, transportation services, etc.Bloodaxe726

Hunting is fine, I'm an avid hunter myself. That's not what this is about, it's about shooting an animal from a helicopter, leaving it with no way to escape. That's just killing, not hunting.

Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered.
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If it is necessary to maintain the population for the benefit of the environment by doing so then I would say it is fine, maybe not an ideal solution however, if it is just mindless slaughter then no, not fine and should be banned, regardless of whether it is from a helicopter or not.
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[QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"]

[QUOTE="1KyardStare"] Just from hunting licenses, tags and stamps; all together, national sales, the main funding mechanism for state conservation agencies, set a new record, topping $723 million. This was a 2007 figure and it doesn't specify Alaska's take of the sales but from a hunter I can tell you it was probably very high. This does not include the taxes from hunting gear sales (gear to include everything for a hunt). The total profits are in the billions and this money goes into state and federal agencies to help with trail upkeep, trash removal, buying and preserving woodlands and wetlands, etc. Would you rather the government raise taxes for this or just let the wild turn into a dump (so much for the green movement). The taxes were suggested by sportsmen (hunters) and enacted as The Pittman-Robertson Act (1937) which imposed an excise tax of 10 per cent on all hunting gear; then the Dingell-Johnson act (1950) that did the same for fishing gear. The Wallop-Breaux amendment (1984) extended the tax to the fuel for boats. All were passed and are supported by us sportsmen. All use the proceeds to fund state and Federal conservation projects. None of these numbers represents the income made from individuals with lodges, guide services, transportation services, etc.1KyardStare

Hunting is fine, I'm an avid hunter myself. That's not what this is about, it's about shooting an animal from a helicopter, leaving it with no way to escape. That's just killing, not hunting.

Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered.

I consider that wrong. If wolf population is out of control put a bounty on them as they do with coyotes in a lot of places.

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#28 Androvinus
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How is there possibly a debate for this? It should be banned.

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How do we pay for the reserve, the loss of land and loss of taxes from the normal use of the land, and the upkeep of the reserve? I can repost or you can read my other post on the current method used?

Yeah tats the problem but there are many places tat can be utilized..
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#30 ManifestoJoe
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the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.

EMOEVOLUTION

because riding around in flying machines blowin **** up with death sticks for fun isn't advanced at all :roll:

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Only if it's in the Artic and infected. (bonus points to those who figure this out)

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The Thing. Nice.

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[QUOTE="1KyardStare"][QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"]

Hunting is fine, I'm an avid hunter myself. That's not what this is about, it's about shooting an animal from a helicopter, leaving it with no way to escape. That's just killing, not hunting.

Bloodaxe726

Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered.

I consider that wrong. If wolf population is out of control put a bounty on them as they do with coyotes in a lot of places.

Palin tried last year to have the state pay $150 for every wolf killed, but the state superior court shot that down as an illegal use of bounty payments, which were outlawed in that state in 1984. All of these wolves shot from a plane must be done so with permission from the state.
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#33 SmokinDankNugz
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You mean like the crazy Swedes were doing at the beginning of John Carpenter's "The Thing"? Nah it's a good practice.
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How do we pay for the reserve, the loss of land and loss of taxes from the normal use of the land, and the upkeep of the reserve? I can repost or you can read my other post on the current method used?siddarthshetty
Yeah tats the problem but there are many places tat can be utilized..

Where? Central Park? Reserves are places are lost revenue. Think of what Obama (or whatever president may reside there in the future) wants to do, all of these plans call for taxpayer money. If he has to pay for the lost billions of revenue dollars what then will be left to pay new proposals (universal health care)?
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[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.

carrot-cake


In many ways we are.

Yeah, there's not many bears flying round in choppers, are there? Despite the fact that I have never heard about this sport before and it sounds uber-cool, I still think it'd probably be best if banned.

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Wolf-Avatar wouldn't have liked this...

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That's crazy! Who would do that?? {probably careless human beings who don't get enough in their life by happyness so they go out killing poor animals}:(

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messed up should be banned
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How is there possibly a debate for this? It should be banned.

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#40 SoNin360
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The only population that needs to be controlled is the human population...
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#41 1KyardStare
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That's crazy! Who would do that?? {probably careless human beings who don't get enough in their life by happyness so they go out killing poor animals}:(

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messed up should be bannedchAzN93
To both of you, read my previous posts. There are reasons why this practice exists, ethical or not.
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Do you honestly expect people to shoot them from the ground? **** that, do you know how cold it is down there?

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whats all this talk about animal control? mother nature regulates herself, who the **** are we to decide a population of aniumals is too big? if anything human populations need to be shot down
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I thought that it was illegal seeing as the Wolf was only recently declared not engdangered and threatened?
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the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.

EMOEVOLUTION

We are the most advanced and superior to all other life forms on this planet. Humans> animals.

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[QUOTE="JPOBS"]whats all this talk about animal control? mother nature regulates herself, who the **** are we to decide a population of aniumals is too big? if anything human populations need to be shot down

This would be true if we hadn't interfered and killed most predators off. Now that we have protected these predators they are increasing in numbers and decimating some wild animal popultations (elk and mule deer in the Rockies, if you want specifics I can post) and moving into ranching areas where they kill larger numbers of livestock (back to increased grocery prices) each year. Farmers don't always get componsated for these losses but those are problems for the lower 48.
I thought that it was illegal seeing as the Wolf was only recently declared not engdangered and threatened?xTheExploited
The wolf is being delisted because their population is increasing and with this increase has been attacks on livestock."We're signaling our commitment to being responsible wildlife managers," said Montana's lead wolf biologist, Carolyn Sime. Without hunting or another means to manage wolves, she added, "you either eliminate all the wolves or you eliminate all the livestock."
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#47 69ANT69
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Must be quite difficult to line up a shot from a helicopter? ... Should be banned anyway.
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#48 L30KinG
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YES!!! THAT SHOULD BE BAND, woves are in danger of extinsion (i think), and vid or link?
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Doesn't seem particularly sporting, as far as hunting goes.
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#50 Sword-Demon
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I dont see what's so bad about it.. wolves aren't endangered and theyre using the meat for food