should this be banned or kept going?
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the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.
the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.
EMOEVOLUTION
I really don't understand how so many people can find joy in the needless suffering of an animal : /Setsa
[QUOTE="Setsa"]I really don't understand how so many people can find joy in the needless suffering of an animal : /carrot-cake
Only if it's in the Artic and infected. (bonus points to those who figure this out)
Legendaryscmt
Oh no!! The Thing!! I win!!
EDIT~~ Anyways, yeah I agree with the banning, unless the above circumstances apply. Ill kill every goddamn wolf in the arctic circle if it means Kurt Russel is keptsafe...:P
I really don't understand how so many people can find joy in the needless suffering of an animal : /SetsaJust from hunting licenses, tags and stamps; all together, national sales, the main funding mechanism for state conservation agencies, set a new record, topping $723 million. This was a 2007 figure and it doesn't specify Alaska's take of the sales but from a hunter I can tell you it was probably very high. This does not include the taxes from hunting gear sales (gear to include everything for a hunt). The total profits are in the billions and this money goes into state and federal agencies to help with trail upkeep, trash removal, buying and preserving woodlands and wetlands, etc. Would you rather the government raise taxes for this or just let the wild turn into a dump (so much for the green movement). The taxes were suggested by sportsmen (hunters) and enacted as The Pittman-Robertson Act (1937) which imposed an excise tax of 10 per cent on all hunting gear; then the Dingell-Johnson act (1950) that did the same for fishing gear. The Wallop-Breaux amendment (1984) extended the tax to the fuel for boats. All were passed and are supported by us sportsmen. All use the proceeds to fund state and Federal conservation projects. None of these numbers represents the income made from individuals with lodges, guide services, transportation services, etc.
What is your suggestion for aniimal control, not to mention replacing the lost revenue for state and federal coffers? If animal numbers are not kept in check then they will die of disease and malnutrition (starving to death), not exactly a humanitarian effort on our part. With runaway animal numbers our groceries will cost more, this would come from the destruction (eating and trampling of crops) of our crops. The cost of groceries is only one example of the problems that would occur. Your suggestions?Shooting any animals should be against the law....
siddarthshetty
The only time it's ok to shoot wolves from a helicopteris when your a german research team trying to kill an alien that is only disguising itself as a dog.
(If none of you get the movie reference your all bad people)
TaMuK711
[QUOTE="siddarthshetty"]What is your suggestion for aniimal control, not to mention replacing the lost revenue for state and federal coffers? If animal numbers are not kept in check thay die of disease and malnutrition (starving to death), not exactly a humanitarian effort on our part. With runaway animal numbers our groceries will cost more, this would come from the destruction (eating and trampling of crops) of our crops. Your suggestions? Its always better if there is more reserves...otherwise most of the animals will be extinct soon..Shooting any animals should be against the law....
1KyardStare
Just from hunting licenses, tags and stamps; all together, national sales, the main funding mechanism for state conservation agencies, set a new record, topping $723 million. This was a 2007 figure and it doesn't specify Alaska's take of the sales but from a hunter I can tell you it was probably very high. This does not include the taxes from hunting gear sales (gear to include everything for a hunt). The total profits are in the billions and this money goes into state and federal agencies to help with trail upkeep, trash removal, buying and preserving woodlands and wetlands, etc. Would you rather the government raise taxes for this or just let the wild turn into a dump (so much for the green movement). The taxes were suggested by sportsmen (hunters) and enacted as The Pittman-Robertson Act (1937) which imposed an excise tax of 10 per cent on all hunting gear; then the Dingell-Johnson act (1950) that did the same for fishing gear. The Wallop-Breaux amendment (1984) extended the tax to the fuel for boats. All were passed and are supported by us sportsmen. All use the proceeds to fund state and Federal conservation projects. None of these numbers represents the income made from individuals with lodges, guide services, transportation services, etc.1KyardStare
Hunting is fine, I'm an avid hunter myself. That's not what this is about, it's about shooting an animal from a helicopter, leaving it with no way to escape. That's just killing, not hunting.
[QUOTE="1KyardStare"][QUOTE="siddarthshetty"]What is your suggestion for aniimal control, not to mention replacing the lost revenue for state and federal coffers? If animal numbers are not kept in check thay die of disease and malnutrition (starving to death), not exactly a humanitarian effort on our part. With runaway animal numbers our groceries will cost more, this would come from the destruction (eating and trampling of crops) of our crops. Your suggestions? Its always better if there is more reserves...otherwise most of the animals will be extinct soon..Shooting any animals should be against the law....
siddarthshetty
[QUOTE="1KyardStare"][QUOTE="siddarthshetty"]What is your suggestion for aniimal control, not to mention replacing the lost revenue for state and federal coffers? If animal numbers are not kept in check thay die of disease and malnutrition (starving to death), not exactly a humanitarian effort on our part. With runaway animal numbers our groceries will cost more, this would come from the destruction (eating and trampling of crops) of our crops. Your suggestions? Its always better if there is more reserves...otherwise most of the animals will be extinct soon.. How do we pay for the reserve, the loss of land and loss of taxes from the normal use of the land, and the upkeep of the reserve? I can repost or you can read my other post on the current method used?Shooting any animals should be against the law....
siddarthshetty
Only if it's in the Artic and infected. (bonus points to those who figure this out)
Legendaryscmt
I hope you're not talking about Scruffy here.
I swear, I keep getting complaints. "Oh Scruffy whipped me with a bloody tentacle." "Oh Scruffy turned my daughter into a horrible abomination that the very sight of it makes me lose my faith in God." You people need to stop being so overdramatic.
[QUOTE="1KyardStare"] Just from hunting licenses, tags and stamps; all together, national sales, the main funding mechanism for state conservation agencies, set a new record, topping $723 million. This was a 2007 figure and it doesn't specify Alaska's take of the sales but from a hunter I can tell you it was probably very high. This does not include the taxes from hunting gear sales (gear to include everything for a hunt). The total profits are in the billions and this money goes into state and federal agencies to help with trail upkeep, trash removal, buying and preserving woodlands and wetlands, etc. Would you rather the government raise taxes for this or just let the wild turn into a dump (so much for the green movement). The taxes were suggested by sportsmen (hunters) and enacted as The Pittman-Robertson Act (1937) which imposed an excise tax of 10 per cent on all hunting gear; then the Dingell-Johnson act (1950) that did the same for fishing gear. The Wallop-Breaux amendment (1984) extended the tax to the fuel for boats. All were passed and are supported by us sportsmen. All use the proceeds to fund state and Federal conservation projects. None of these numbers represents the income made from individuals with lodges, guide services, transportation services, etc.Bloodaxe726
Hunting is fine, I'm an avid hunter myself. That's not what this is about, it's about shooting an animal from a helicopter, leaving it with no way to escape. That's just killing, not hunting.
Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered.[QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"][QUOTE="1KyardStare"] Just from hunting licenses, tags and stamps; all together, national sales, the main funding mechanism for state conservation agencies, set a new record, topping $723 million. This was a 2007 figure and it doesn't specify Alaska's take of the sales but from a hunter I can tell you it was probably very high. This does not include the taxes from hunting gear sales (gear to include everything for a hunt). The total profits are in the billions and this money goes into state and federal agencies to help with trail upkeep, trash removal, buying and preserving woodlands and wetlands, etc. Would you rather the government raise taxes for this or just let the wild turn into a dump (so much for the green movement). The taxes were suggested by sportsmen (hunters) and enacted as The Pittman-Robertson Act (1937) which imposed an excise tax of 10 per cent on all hunting gear; then the Dingell-Johnson act (1950) that did the same for fishing gear. The Wallop-Breaux amendment (1984) extended the tax to the fuel for boats. All were passed and are supported by us sportsmen. All use the proceeds to fund state and Federal conservation projects. None of these numbers represents the income made from individuals with lodges, guide services, transportation services, etc.1KyardStare
Hunting is fine, I'm an avid hunter myself. That's not what this is about, it's about shooting an animal from a helicopter, leaving it with no way to escape. That's just killing, not hunting.
Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered.I consider that wrong. If wolf population is out of control put a bounty on them as they do with coyotes in a lot of places.
*looks at your sig*.... LMAOHow is there possibly a debate for this? It should be banned.
Bloodaxe726
because riding around in flying machines blowin **** up with death sticks for fun isn't advanced at all :roll:the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.
EMOEVOLUTION
Only if it's in the Artic and infected. (bonus points to those who figure this out)
Legendaryscmt
The Thing. Nice.
Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered.[QUOTE="1KyardStare"][QUOTE="Bloodaxe726"]
Hunting is fine, I'm an avid hunter myself. That's not what this is about, it's about shooting an animal from a helicopter, leaving it with no way to escape. That's just killing, not hunting.
Bloodaxe726
I consider that wrong. If wolf population is out of control put a bounty on them as they do with coyotes in a lot of places.
Palin tried last year to have the state pay $150 for every wolf killed, but the state superior court shot that down as an illegal use of bounty payments, which were outlawed in that state in 1984. All of these wolves shot from a plane must be done so with permission from the state.How do we pay for the reserve, the loss of land and loss of taxes from the normal use of the land, and the upkeep of the reserve? I can repost or you can read my other post on the current method used?siddarthshettyYeah tats the problem but there are many places tat can be utilized.. Where? Central Park? Reserves are places are lost revenue. Think of what Obama (or whatever president may reside there in the future) wants to do, all of these plans call for taxpayer money. If he has to pay for the lost billions of revenue dollars what then will be left to pay new proposals (universal health care)?
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]
the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.
carrot-cake
Yeah, there's not many bears flying round in choppers, are there? Despite the fact that I have never heard about this sport before and it sounds uber-cool, I still think it'd probably be best if banned.
That's crazy! Who would do that?? {probably careless human beings who don't get enough in their life by happyness so they go out killing poor animals}:(
that post combined with your sig made me lolHow is there possibly a debate for this? It should be banned.
Bloodaxe726
That's crazy! Who would do that?? {probably careless human beings who don't get enough in their life by happyness so they go out killing poor animals}:(
ShAbInAtOr
messed up should be bannedchAzN93To both of you, read my previous posts. There are reasons why this practice exists, ethical or not.
the things humans do for entertainment... and we think were the most advanced species on the planet.
EMOEVOLUTION
We are the most advanced and superior to all other life forms on this planet. Humans> animals.
I thought that it was illegal seeing as the Wolf was only recently declared not engdangered and threatened?xTheExploitedThe wolf is being delisted because their population is increasing and with this increase has been attacks on livestock."We're signaling our commitment to being responsible wildlife managers," said Montana's lead wolf biologist, Carolyn Sime. Without hunting or another means to manage wolves, she added, "you either eliminate all the wolves or you eliminate all the livestock."
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