Should America get out of Iraq

I think we are to far into it now for us to just get out completly

I think we should get out slow

Wat do yall think

In time, but not right now. It would be a logistical and strategical night mare if we pulled out now. In light of the progress the surge has made leaving now would be a very stupid idea on our part.

We will always maintain a presence in Iraq, we have military personnel on nearly every country on earth.

In time, but not right now. It would be a logistical and strategical night mare if we pulled out now. In light of the progress the surge has made leaving now would be a very stupid idea on our part.UrbanSpartan125

Agreed entirely.

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

Falcon4AF_Ace

Leaving now would only cause further Iraqi civilian casualties.

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

Falcon4AF_Ace

You could argue that the war shouldn't have happened in the first place; but that's a moot point. It did happen. You cant just invade a country, causing all kinds of hell, then just pull out. They need to see it through.

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

Falcon4AF_Ace

I think the Sunni and Shia militias should unite to drive out American forces and in the process of that struggle and common goal they would form strong bonds. Once the Americans are gone they need to get rid of the Iraqi government as it has too much invested in the American occupation, they need grassroots workers and ground level polticians in control and the militias should be organised and the people should be educated as to the purpose of their struggle: a united and stable Iraq free from unwanted foreign interference where Sunni and Shia alike will be able to achieve a good standard of living.

Just some hypothetical thoughts of course.

[QUOTE="Falcon4AF_Ace"]

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

SmashBrosLegend

Leaving now would only cause further Iraqi civilian casualties.

Doubt it. I honest doubt casualties will increase if the people they hate get OUT of their country. And we could have been out if we actually had a plan going in. And if Bush didn't lie his ass off and lose almost all his support by the people.

Only if al Qaeda and the Iranian agents get out first (they should leave and stop oppressing and killing innocent Iraqis). Maybe the U.S. should get out of Iraq and travel a little bit eastward if you catch my drift.

Best Iraq war quote: "I'm not gonna let some man hiding in a cave in Afghanistan tell us what to do" - Sheik Abdul Sattar Abu Risha, urging Sunni tribesman to fight against al Qaida in Iraq.

I think the Sunni and Shia militias should unite to drive out American forces and in the process of that struggle and common goal they would form strong bonds. Once the Americans are gone they need to get rid of the Iraqi government as it has too much invested in the American occupation, they need grassroots workers and ground level polticians in control and the militias should be organised and the people should be educated as to the purpose of their struggle: a united and stable Iraq free from unwanted foreign interference where Sunni and Shia alike will be able to achieve a good standard of living.

Just some hypothetical thoughts of course.

bradleybhoy

But your idea is amazing it goes against everything we fought for and worked so hard to get, so we can pu the government in the hands of radical terrorists. Smart.

Yes, i believe we should get out. Our mission was to find those 'WMD's' and get Saddam Hussein. And that is what we did. IMO i think that the middle east will always be a war torn area that will continually have civil wars and such. I dont really think we can do anything more and our economy is starting to feel the pain from the war.

LETS GET OUR TROOPS HOME!!!

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Falcon4AF_Ace"]

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

sexy-hippo

Leaving now would only cause further Iraqi civilian casualties.

Doubt it. I honest doubt casualties will increase if the people they hate get OUT of their country. And we could have been out if we actually had a plan going in. And if Bush didn't lie his ass off and lose almost all his support by the people.

The media really has you thinking they hate us over there, but that really isn't the case.

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Falcon4AF_Ace"]

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

sexy-hippo

Leaving now would only cause further Iraqi civilian casualties.

Doubt it. I honest doubt casualties will increase if the people they hate get OUT of their country.

You're making the incorrect assumption that all of the Iraqi citizens are united in their hatred of Americans. Ask 10 Shi'ites, 10 Sunnis, and 10 Kurds what they think of America and you will get very different answers.

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Falcon4AF_Ace"]

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

UrbanSpartan125

Leaving now would only cause further Iraqi civilian casualties.

Doubt it. I honest doubt casualties will increase if the people they hate get OUT of their country. And we could have been out if we actually had a plan going in. And if Bush didn't lie his ass off and lose almost all his support by the people.

The media really has you thinking they hate us over there, but that really isn't the case.

I agree complety the media is wrench our thinking of Bush and the war in Iraq

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Falcon4AF_Ace"]

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

coltscardfan

Leaving now would only cause further Iraqi civilian casualties.

Doubt it. I honest doubt casualties will increase if the people they hate get OUT of their country. And we could have been out if we actually had a plan going in. And if Bush didn't lie his ass off and lose almost all his support by the people.

The media really has you thinking they hate us over there, but that really isn't the case.

I agree complety the media is wrench our thinking of Bush and the war in Iraq

Well to be fair these tribes/extremists don't want the United States over there either.. The reason being is the US is mettling...

[QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]

I think the Sunni and Shia militias should unite to drive out American forces and in the process of that struggle and common goal they would form strong bonds. Once the Americans are gone they need to get rid of the Iraqi government as it has too much invested in the American occupation, they need grassroots workers and ground level polticians in control and the militias should be organised and the people should be educated as to the purpose of their struggle: a united and stable Iraq free from unwanted foreign interference where Sunni and Shia alike will be able to achieve a good standard of living.

Just some hypothetical thoughts of course.

UrbanSpartan125

But your idea is amazing it goes against everything we fought for and worked so hard to get, so we can pu the government in the hands of radical terrorists. Smart.

I know it's niave to think that a united Iraqi insurgency movement would drive out the American occupation force. I'm just thinking hypothetically. And yes I do know the Americans have "mutual agreements" with certain militias. They fund and equip certain Sunni groups who then fight with certain Shia militas which are hostile to the American occupation. Great way to defuse a potential civil war.

You seem to take pride in the fact that for every American killed 20 insurgents are killed. What will happen to the next generation of insurgents? Those who have grown up in a country ripped apart by war with a pittance for a childhood who will inevitbaly acquire a justified hatred of the American occupying force. I suppose you'll have to kill all of them too to accomplish your "objectives", whatever the hell they are.

They should because the situation continues to get worse and it's also affecting America's economy. The war does nothing but leave a trail of death and sadness. filiwian

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Falcon4AF_Ace"]

Yes. There are no WMDs in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Bush lied to us, the data shows that we have done nothing but worsen the violence in Iraq and get 4,000 US soldiers and Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, and millions displaced. Its time to stop the oil wars.

SmashBrosLegend

Leaving now would only cause further Iraqi civilian casualties.

Doubt it. I honest doubt casualties will increase if the people they hate get OUT of their country.

You're making the incorrect assumption that all of the Iraqi citizens are united in their hatred of Americans. Ask 10 Shi'ites, 10 Sunnis, and 10 Kurds what they think of America and you will get very different answers.

I know their not. But More Shi'ites have guns than Sunnis and from what I know and heard the Kurds just want to be an independant people. (May be wrong. Haven't really researched anything outside of American politics.) If we pull out I doubt the Shi'ites will just start unloading on the Sunnis as so many people infer. (imply?) If we pull out, I know we are risking putting civilian lives in danger, but if we don't we will lose a lot of soldiers in the process of "ending terrorism." I'd support it more if Bush didn't lie to our faces.

It doesn't matter, either way US and Bush will be bashed for the horrible decicion they make.blackngold29

Which makes me wonder.. Will Bush be considered one of the worse presidents of all time? Right down there with presidents like Nixon and Harding?

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="bradleybhoy"]

I think the Sunni and Shia militias should unite to drive out American forces and in the process of that struggle and common goal they would form strong bonds. Once the Americans are gone they need to get rid of the Iraqi government as it has too much invested in the American occupation, they need grassroots workers and ground level polticians in control and the militias should be organised and the people should be educated as to the purpose of their struggle: a united and stable Iraq free from unwanted foreign interference where Sunni and Shia alike will be able to achieve a good standard of living.

Just some hypothetical thoughts of course.

bradleybhoy

But your idea is amazing it goes against everything we fought for and worked so hard to get, so we can pu the government in the hands of radical terrorists. Smart.

I know it's niave to think that a united Iraqi insurgency movement would drive out the American occupation force. I'm just thinking hypothetically. And yes I do know the Americans have "mutual agreements" with certain militias. They fund and equip certain Sunni groups who then fight with certain Shia militas which are hostile to the American occupation. Great way to defuse a potential civil war.

You seem to take pride in the fact that for every American killed 20 insurgents are killed. What will happen to the next generation of insurgents? Those who have grown up in a country ripped apart by war with a pittance for a childhood. I suppose you'll have to kill all of them too to accomplish your "objectives", whatever the hell they are.

Of course no solution is perfect there is problems, but the important thing is for us to get their respect.

[QUOTE="filiwian"]They should because the situation continues to get worse and it's also affecting America's economy. The war does nothing but leave a trail of death and sadness. blackngold29

:| No the war is not helping our economy positively.. I don't know if you realize this but we are borrowing money from other countries to sustain this war.. The US hasn't done this for hundreds of years.. To make matters worse contractors like Haliburton and KGBR are ripping the United States government off for absurd amounts of money.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]It doesn't matter, either way US and Bush will be bashed for the horrible decicion they make.sSubZerOo

Which makes me wonder.. Will Bush be considered one of the worse presidents of all time? Right down there with presidents like Nixon and Harding?

[QUOTE="filiwian"]They should because the situation continues to get worse and it's also affecting America's economy. The war does nothing but leave a trail of death and sadness. blackngold29

Whurt? How exactly? The war costs billions.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="filiwian"]They should because the situation continues to get worse and it's also affecting America's economy. The war does nothing but leave a trail of death and sadness. sSubZerOo

:| No the war is not helping our economy positively.. I don't know if you realize this but we are borrowing money from other countries to sustain this war.. The US hasn't done this for hundreds of years.. To make matters worse contractors like Haliburton and KGBR are ripping the United States government off for absurd amounts of money.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]It doesn't matter, either way US and Bush will be bashed for the horrible decicion they make.blackngold29

Which makes me wonder.. Will Bush be considered one of the worse presidents of all time? Right down there with presidents like Nixon and Harding?

Are we so certain of that? Congress wouldn't have voted for it, if they were given the truth about the intel that it wasn't top qualtiy.. Which it wasn't there have been reports that Bush and the adminstration recieved information that was counter to the intelligence they acted upon. Then on top of that what about the numerous things that happened during the war such as Abu Gharib, and/or the accepting of doing torture as for interogation.

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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="filiwian"]They should because the situation continues to get worse and it's also affecting America's economy. The war does nothing but leave a trail of death and sadness. blackngold29

:| No the war is not helping our economy positively.. I don't know if you realize this but we are borrowing money from other countries to sustain this war.. The US hasn't done this for hundreds of years.. To make matters worse contractors like Haliburton and KGBR are ripping the United States government off for absurd amounts of money.

I would guess so. Which isn't really fair, because it should be congress who should take the blame.blackngold29

He started a war. The economy is in worse shape now than it was when he took office. He's effectively destroyed trust in the presidency, and created a whole new worldwide negativity towards the west due to war's unusually high levels of collatoral damage and civilian casualties. He's also made so many humiliating comments in public that the first thing any anti-american racist jumps to is "you elected bush twice!"

He will indeed go down as one of the worst presidents in history. And rightfully so.

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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="filiwian"]They should because the situation continues to get worse and it's also affecting America's economy. The war does nothing but leave a trail of death and sadness. blackngold29

:| No the war is not helping our economy positively.. I don't know if you realize this but we are borrowing money from other countries to sustain this war.. The US hasn't done this for hundreds of years.. To make matters worse contractors like Haliburton and KGBR are ripping the United States government off for absurd amounts of money.

As I say again.. No it isn't.. This isn't like WW2 where it revitalized our industries in creating jobs.. Where the aftermath had basically only the United States standing their economic infastructure fully intact.. These contractors are basically ripping and funneling money out of the government and giving them huge debt.. Who do you think will be paying for that debt? The Citizens.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]It doesn't matter, either way US and Bush will be bashed for the horrible decicion they make.sSubZerOo

Which makes me wonder.. Will Bush be considered one of the worse presidents of all time? Right down there with presidents like Nixon and Harding?

Are we so certain of that? Congress wouldn't have voted for it, if they were given the truth about the intel that it wasn't top qualtiy.. Which it wasn't there have been reports that Bush and the adminstration recieved information that was counter to the intelligence they acted upon. Then on top of that what about the numerous things that happened during the war such as Abu Gharib, and/or the accepting of doing torture as for interogation.

Yes, but Haliburton is owned by the dude who's helping make the decisions. I think some things have gotten better, other worse. War is always good for the economy somehow.blackngold29

No. The war has indeed been profitable for some american corporations; but the economy of the US as a whole has declined. The loans taken out to support the war has resulted in a large federal deficit.

Congress should not rely on the President for their info.blackngold29

You're saying congress shouldn't rely on the nation's commander in chief to brief them on the need for military action? :|

[QUOTE="blackngold29"] Congress should not rely on the President for their info.Ninja-Hippo

You're saying congress shouldn't rely on the nation's commander in chief to brief them on the need for military action? :|

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="filiwian"]They should because the situation continues to get worse and it's also affecting America's economy. The war does nothing but leave a trail of death and sadness. sSubZerOo

:| No the war is not helping our economy positively.. I don't know if you realize this but we are borrowing money from other countries to sustain this war.. The US hasn't done this for hundreds of years.. To make matters worse contractors like Haliburton and KGBR are ripping the United States government off for absurd amounts of money.

Anyone heard of the Military-Industrial Complex.

Here's president Eisenhower's farewell speech in which he makes a dire warning against this complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU

Yes. They should rely on the CIA and anyone else who actually collected it and analyzed it.blackngold29

The CIA gathered the intel which was presented to congress in the first place. :?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="filiwian"]They should because the situation continues to get worse and it's also affecting America's economy. The war does nothing but leave a trail of death and sadness. bradleybhoy

:| No the war is not helping our economy positively.. I don't know if you realize this but we are borrowing money from other countries to sustain this war.. The US hasn't done this for hundreds of years.. To make matters worse contractors like Haliburton and KGBR are ripping the United States government off for absurd amounts of money.

Anyone heard of the Military-Industrial Complex.

Here's president Eisenhower's farewell speech in which he makes a dire warning against this complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU

Yep I watched part of it on Starz a few weeks back.. Interesting stuff.. And i have to admit.. Companies like Haliburton KGBR etc are entirely too entwined to the war.. I have read articles where these contractors are basically subing in roles that were originally were ment for military.. I find that absolutely rediculous..

Any one else also find it jaw dropiping that they really didn't set laws for contractors over in Iraq for years?

Doubt it. I honest doubt casualties will increase if the people they hate get OUT of their country. And we could have been out if we actually had a plan going in. And if Bush didn't lie his ass off and lose almost all his support by the people.

sexy-hippo

Experts have estimated if Iraq goes the way Yugoslavia did in the 90's (which is close to a sure bet, if and when we pull out pre-maturely), you are looking at casualties near 300,000. You should do a little reading.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]Yes. They should rely on the CIA and anyone else who actually collected it and analyzed it.Ninja-Hippo

The CIA gathered the intel which was presented to congress in the first place. :?

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]Yes. They should rely on the CIA and anyone else who actually collected it and analyzed it.Ninja-Hippo

The CIA gathered the intel which was presented to congress in the first place. :?

correct me if I am wrong. But wasn't the huge thing that they also were given intelligence that was the complete opposite? They had that back where the supposed higher up of the CIA (former, he quit) came out and talked about this.

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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="filiwian"]They should because the situation continues to get worse and it's also affecting America's economy. The war does nothing but leave a trail of death and sadness. bradleybhoy

:| No the war is not helping our economy positively.. I don't know if you realize this but we are borrowing money from other countries to sustain this war.. The US hasn't done this for hundreds of years.. To make matters worse contractors like Haliburton and KGBR are ripping the United States government off for absurd amounts of money.

Anyone heard of the Military-Industrial Complex.

Here's president Eisenhower's farewell speech in which he makes a dire warning against this complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU

Wow, our country is horribly screwed up. Every time a president warns about something happening, it becomes a main part of the country. Washington warned about the dangers of factions, and we get stuck with a two party system and the FCC (personal reasons). Lincoln warns about the union splitting, Civil War starts (although you can't really blame him for that, the country was screwed before he took office). How the hell does this happen :??