should america pull out of iraq within the next 6 months?

we went into find weapons of mass destruction... after we didn't find those we should of left..

before this topic dies, I'll give my opinion

If we left iraq before we built a stable government, it would create a power vacuum which wouldinevitably cause a massive civil war. democrats seem to think that iraq would be fine with us out. that is not possible. if a civil war erupted in iraq, it could destabilize the entire region

Yes, evyday we're there we create more terrorists and put ourselves in more danger.espoac

Nonsense. Please think a little about writing such stupid things.

Without the U.S., Iraq would be doomed. This country can't stand on its own feet! It's weak and corrupted. It needs the United States of America. Leaving Iraq would be the most stupid ans most coward things to do. We must not give up Iraq and the war against terrorists. If we do, then we would be doomed.

It's the Americans duty to STAY in Iraq. They brought Iraq intoa civil war and it's now their responsibility to make sure that they fulfill the 'democracy' that they promised.

Itis quite selfish of the American people to want their troops out of Iraq given what has happened.

[QUOTE="espoac"]Yes, evyday we're there we create more terrorists and put ourselves in more danger.Jacojac

Nonsense. Please think a little about writing such stupid things.

Without the U.S., Iraq would be doomed. This country can't stand on its own feet! It's weak and corrupted. It needs the United States of America. Leaving Iraq would be the most stupid ans most coward things to do. We must not give up Iraq and the war against terrorists. If we do, then we would be doomed.

take for example the soviet war in afghanistan. after they left, there was a massive civil war. if we left iraq, it would undoubtedly create a civil war. democrats dont realize this. this is why I hate dennis kucinich. he voted against funding the war. these congressmen dont know how to fight a war:evil: they need to shove it and give our generals what they need

I don't think that will happen linkgs_gear

anyhow, there will never be a day where not a single US soldier is in iraq. some of the democrats in the youtube debates want for the US to leave with absolutely no residual troops. that is not going to happen. the US military is building "enduring bases" which is just a nicer term for permanent bases.

I don't think we should have invaded Iraq in the first place, so you probably can guess my response. Iraq is a huge quagmire now and the blood is on Bush's hands.videogamer456

It's the Americans duty to STAY in Iraq. They brought Iraq intoa civil war and it's now their responsibility to make sure that they fulfill the 'democracy' that they promised.

Itis quite selfish of the American people to want their troops out of Iraq given what has happened.

Total-KO

i agree.. as painful and expensive as it will be to stay there. the US f---d iraq up big time and now has the obligation to fix it.... if we didn't want this mess, would should not have put a chimp in office.

[QUOTE="gs_gear"]I don't think that will happen linkmig_killer2

anyhow, there will never be a day where not a single US soldier is in iraq. some of the democrats in the youtube debates want for the US to leave with absolutely no residual troops. that is not going to happen. the US military is building "enduring bases" which is just a nicer term for permanent bases.

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[QUOTE="gs_gear"]I don't think that will happen linkgs_gear

anyhow, there will never be a day where not a single US soldier is in iraq. some of the democrats in the youtube debates want for the US to leave with absolutely no residual troops. that is not going to happen. the US military is building "enduring bases" which is just a nicer term for permanent bases.

The way I see it, if the Iraqi government doesn't start shaping the hell up (I.E. actually doing something to stabilize their country), I think we should seriously consider a process of withdrawal. And if they do start shaping up, we should start handing over jurisdiction of more and more provinces from US forces to Iraqi forces.ElZilcho90

[QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]The way I see it, if the Iraqi government doesn't start shaping the hell up (I.E. actually doing something to stabilize their country), I think we should seriously consider a process of withdrawal. And if they do start shaping up, we should start handing over jurisdiction of more and more provinces from US forces to Iraqi forces.mig_killer2

Exactly, we need to put more pressure on them. "Make real progress, or we're going to leave you on your own!"

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]The way I see it, if the Iraqi government doesn't start shaping the hell up (I.E. actually doing something to stabilize their country), I think we should seriously consider a process of withdrawal. And if they do start shaping up, we should start handing over jurisdiction of more and more provinces from US forces to Iraqi forces.ElZilcho90

Exactly, we need to put more pressure on them. "Make real progress, or we're going to leave you on your own!"

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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="ElZilcho90"]The way I see it, if the Iraqi government doesn't start shaping the hell up (I.E. actually doing something to stabilize their country), I think we should seriously consider a process of withdrawal. And if they do start shaping up, we should start handing over jurisdiction of more and more provinces from US forces to Iraqi forces.mig_killer2

Exactly, we need to put more pressure on them. "Make real progress, or we're going to leave you on your own!"

Honestly, it'll be their own fault. What we should do is work towards accelerating the handing over of jurisdiction over the country militarily, replacing US forces with Iraqi forces. We'd probably maintain a presence in Baghdad and perhaps a couple other bases like we did in Germany, Japan and Korea. But, if the Iraqi government makes no effort to stabilize their country, it'll be a waste of our resources to stay there.

It'll be a debacle if we withdraw completely, but if they're not putting forth the effort, why should we?

there was no point in going in in the first place. The sooner they're out, the betterBuryMe

My plan that I posted in the other thread (what to do with iraq) is what they shoul do, main point don't put more troops in, put better vehicles, better trained soldiers, make a plan so that the civilians cannot be out after a certain hour, limit vehicles, and try and inforce some sort of tag program on the cars.mark4091

[QUOTE="mark4091"]My plan that I posted in the other thread (what to do with iraq) is what they shoul do, main point don't put more troops in, put better vehicles, better trained soldiers, make a plan so that the civilians cannot be out after a certain hour, limit vehicles, and try and inforce some sort of tag program on the cars.mig_killer2

I don'tknow if you understand the type of combat that goes on in iraq, but you need to understand most casualties that are happening are from suicide bombers, car bombs, from enemys that blend in with the crowd of people, and IED's,the US soldiers are trained to a point in which if there is a direct combat situation they have the tech and training in which they will defeat the enemy no problem, but most that are killed don't know where it's coming from, putting more soldiers in means more soldiers that don't know where the attack will come from.

Your idea will work the same way as on the news when you hear 140 dead in street bomb, those civilians should know they are in a war zone, but they crowd the streets, if you take away all the people on the streets there will be far less soldiers killed, which is a far better idea then putting even more people on the street especially when you're talking about putting more US troops.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="mark4091"]My plan that I posted in the other thread (what to do with iraq) is what they shoul do, main point don't put more troops in, put better vehicles, better trained soldiers, make a plan so that the civilians cannot be out after a certain hour, limit vehicles, and try and inforce some sort of tag program on the cars.mark4091

I don'tknow if you understand the type of combat that goes on in iraq, but you need to understand most casualties that are happening are from suicide bombers, car bombs, from enemys that blend in with the crowd of people, and IED's,the US soldiers are trained to a point in which if there is a direct combat situation they have the tech and training in which they will defeat the enemy no problem, but most that are killed don't know where it's coming from, putting more soldiers in means more soldiers that don't know where the attack will come from.

Your idea will work the same way as on the news when you hear 140 dead in street bomb, those civilians should know they are in a war zone, but they crowd the streets, if you take away all the people on the streets there will be far less soldiers killed, which is a far better idea then putting even more people on the street especially when you're talking about putting more US troops.

No. The whole region, as well as the country is unstable.LukeAF24

not true. there is no civil war anywhere but iraq. there is no war going on except in iraq and israel. it is not unstablemig_killer2

True. If we pulled out, the civil war that would break out would affect the entire region.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]not true. there is no civil war anywhere but iraq. there is no war going on except in iraq and israel. it is not unstableLukeAF24

True. If we pulled out, the civil war that would break out would affect the entire region.

For everone who is saying that a civil war will erupt if we dont leave. Guess what, THERE ALREADY IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON THERE. And tehnically there is no war for us their. It ended according to Bush after we established a Deomcracy their. We could pull out there now and be fine. Every nation needs to have a civil war to develop. We did and we turned out fine. In some aspects.....partyman879

[QUOTE="partyman879"]For everone who is saying that a civil war will erupt if we dont leave. Guess what, THERE ALREADY IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON THERE. And tehnically there is no war for us their. It ended according to Bush after we established a Deomcracy their. We could pull out there now and be fine. Every nation needs to have a civil war to develop. We did and we turned out fine. In some aspects.....mig_killer2

Then we should of never even gone their in the first place.. It's our fault thats happening...

For everone who is saying that a civil war will erupt if we dont leave. Guess what, THERE ALREADY IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON THERE. And tehnically there is no war for us their. It ended according to Bush after we established a Deomcracy their. We could pull out there now and be fine. Every nation needs to have a civil war to develop. We did and we turned out fine. In some aspects.....partyman879

Everyone should read, and learn a little something.

How to leave Iraq

[QUOTE="partyman879"]For everone who is saying that a civil war will erupt if we dont leave. Guess what, THERE ALREADY IS A CIVIL WAR GOING ON THERE. And tehnically there is no war for us their. It ended according to Bush after we established a Deomcracy their. We could pull out there now and be fine. Every nation needs to have a civil war to develop. We did and we turned out fine. In some aspects.....LukeAF24

Everyone should read, and learn a little something.

that's what ive been saying the entire timemig_killer2

but you just said i was wrong..

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]that's what ive been saying the entire timepartyman879

but you just said i was wrong..