Should George W. Bush be put to trial?

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#51 gameguy6700
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For what? Being unpopular amongst a bunch of spoiled college students?

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War crimes perhaps? The man broke several international laws, not the least of which are violating the Geneva Convention and the invasion of Iraq against all international consensus.

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#52 Ace_WondersX
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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="-Wicked_Sick-"]

Could you post some reasons?

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The only legitimate charge I can think of is the fact he did nothing about Katrina, before it hit. Even though he was warned that the levies most likely weren't gonna hold. But other than that he hasn't done anything that bad.

That's not his job. That's the major's job and beyond that, the governor's.

FEMA told him that levi might not hold. Then he did nothing.
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#53 awesomeray
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no he should not
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#54 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="-Wicked_Sick-"]

Could you post some reasons?

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The only legitimate charge I can think of is the fact he did nothing about Katrina, before it hit. Even though he was warned that the levies most likely weren't gonna hold. But other than that he hasn't done anything that bad.

That's not his job. That's the major's job and beyond that, the governor's.

When the president declares that New Orleans is in a state of emergency and orders FEMA to get involved then it becomes the president's job. (Although I am not saying that he should be put on trial for Katrina)
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#55 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] The only legitimate charge I can think of is the fact he did nothing about Katrina, before it hit. Even though he was warned that the levies most likely weren't gonna hold. But other than that he hasn't done anything that bad.Ace_WondersX

That's not his job. That's the major's job and beyond that, the governor's.

FEMA told him that levi might not hold. Then he did nothing.


Look, the bottom line is the whole situation was handled poorly. The blame is not Bush's though. The Governor screwed up. It was his city.

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Look, the bottom line is the whole situation was handled poorly. The blame is not Bush's though. The Governor screwed up. It was his city.

Pirate700

The mayor thought this was an routine hurricane, something they get every year. He didn't have access to the research that FEMA had.

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#57 Oblivionfan10
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No, he didn't do anything wrong. People are just looking for an excuse to bring him back into the political spectrum. Plus, he already has said he is working on a book. That's enough Dubya for now
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#58 dumy67
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For what? >_>chessmaster1989
@Everyone else -- pay attention to the news once in a while -- it does wonders. @you and everyone else -Declaring a war without the consent of Congress. This has been on the news, and it's one of the chief reasons why people believe that Bush should be tried. -Breaking the fourth amendment by spying on the people. The CIA were allowed to tap phones, emails, bank accounts, ect. -Denying habeous corpus to hostages of war -Unconstitutional torture -Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be a 'high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause. -Lacking hard facts, as evidenced by his now much-discussed deception in his State of the Union address that Iraq sought to buy uranium in Africa, Bush mixed misinformation, distorted allegations and unsubstantiated rumors to persuade the public of the imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein.
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#59 scoots9
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I know what people mean by saying what did he do. He only lied...I mean was misinformed about Iraq having WMDs and he didn't react to Hurricane Katrina with prior warning. Nothing major.

But for real... no, I don't think he should be put on trial, waste of money and he'll win the case regardless.

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Because certainly no one else except Bush believed Iraq had/was getting WMDs :roll:

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#60 nb49
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Ha! I couldn't agree more :) :)
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#61 artichoke
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ABSOLUTELY NOT. (caps)chathuranga
Your argument why not is almost as convincing as the OP's for it.
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#62 67gt500
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Good question considering roughly one out of every five people on earth feel that he is a war criminal...
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]For what? >_>dumy67
@Everyone else -- pay attention to the news once in a while -- it does wonders. @you and everyone else -Declaring a war without the consent of Congress. This has been on the news, and it's one of the chief reasons why people believe that Bush should be tried. -Breaking the fourth amendment by spying on the people. The CIA were allowed to tap phones, emails, bank accounts, ect. -Denying habeous corpus to hostages of war -Unconstitutional torture -Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be a 'high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause. -Lacking hard facts, as evidenced by his now much-discussed deception in his State of the Union address that Iraq sought to buy uranium in Africa, Bush mixed misinformation, distorted allegations and unsubstantiated rumors to persuade the public of the imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein.

I always thought the president cannot declare war? only congress can, as stated in the constitution. Believe it or not, Congress did vote to go to war with Iraq, now were they misinformed because of the president's agenda? who knows, and the president can commit troops to another country without the consent of congress, it is one of his presidential powers. Also, the NSA has been spying on people in the U.S. for some time. It is the echelon program, it used to be top secret until they were discovered a long time ago. And i guess I am one of those guys who does not care if a terrorist does not get his day in court, I would gladly dump water on him if he had information concerning the lives of american citizens/soldiers. If I am wrong on anything please feel free to correct me.
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#64 deactivated-5f4694ac412a8
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Why? Because you, and everyone else that is "cool," think he was a terrible president?
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#65 Ace_WondersX
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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

I know what people mean by saying what did he do. He only lied...I mean was misinformed about Iraq having WMDs and he didn't react to Hurricane Katrina with prior warning. Nothing major.

But for real... no, I don't think he should be put on trial, waste of money and he'll win the case regardless.

scoots9

Because certainly no one else except Bush believed Iraq had/was getting WMDs :roll:

yea, they based there conclusion off reports that the white house sent out.
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#66 klusps
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Why, because he was a bad president?

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#67 deactivated-5f4694ac412a8
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While we're at it, I think we should hang Michael Bay for being an awful director.
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#68 Little_Big_Dude
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While we're at it, I think we should hang Michael Bay for being an awful director.DeathScape666
Michel Bay? what about Uwe Boll?
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#69 omfg_its_dally
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No. He wasn't the best president, but he certainly wasn't the worst. Has their been another major terrorist attack in the states since 9/11?
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#70 67gt500
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Why, because he was a bad president?

klusps
From my understanding on this subject, hundreds of millions of people [and perhaps as many as several billion people worldwide] feel that he is a war criminal because he initiated an illegal war, citing false intelligence, against a sovereign nation in which, to date, nearly a million innocent men, women and children have perished...
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While we're at it, I think we should hang Michael Bay for being an awful director.DeathScape666

Michael Bay didn't kill thousands of soldiers in an unconstitutional war. He didn't take our rights away with the Patriot Act. He didn't spy on the public. He wasn't a traitor to our way of life.

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[QUOTE="dumy67"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]For what? >_>Little_Big_Dude
@Everyone else -- pay attention to the news once in a while -- it does wonders. @you and everyone else -Declaring a war without the consent of Congress. This has been on the news, and it's one of the chief reasons why people believe that Bush should be tried. -Breaking the fourth amendment by spying on the people. The CIA were allowed to tap phones, emails, bank accounts, ect. -Denying habeous corpus to hostages of war -Unconstitutional torture -Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be a 'high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause. -Lacking hard facts, as evidenced by his now much-discussed deception in his State of the Union address that Iraq sought to buy uranium in Africa, Bush mixed misinformation, distorted allegations and unsubstantiated rumors to persuade the public of the imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein.

I always thought the president cannot declare war? only congress can, as stated in the constitution. Believe it or not, Congress did vote to go to war with Iraq, now were they misinformed because of the president's agenda? who knows, and the president can commit troops to another country without the consent of congress, it is one of his presidential powers. Also, the NSA has been spying on people in the U.S. for some time. It is the echelon program, it used to be top secret until they were discovered a long time ago. And i guess I am one of those guys who does not care if a terrorist does not get his day in court, I would gladly dump water on him if he had information concerning the lives of american citizens/soldiers. If I am wrong on anything please feel free to correct me.

There are laws, both domestic and international, that prohibit torture. If you break the law, you should face the consequences. The only way a law can mantain its legitimacy is if it is enforced. I'm not saying that Bush himself should be put on trial, but there should be an investigation to determine if there should be a trial and who should be put to trial.
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[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]While we're at it, I think we should hang Michael Bay for being an awful director.VoodooGamer

Michael Bay didn't kill thousands of soldiers in an unconstitutional war. He didn't take our rights away with the Patriot Act. He didn't spy on the public. He wasn't a traitor to our way of life.

What's wrong with the Patriot Act? Do you find fault with the Necessary and Proper clause of the United States Constitution?
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]For what? >_>dumy67
@Everyone else -- pay attention to the news once in a while -- it does wonders. @you and everyone else -Declaring a war without the consent of Congress.This has been on the news, and it's one of the chief reasons why people believe that Bush should be tried.

Not possible. Only Congress declares war; the President cannot, consent or otherwise.

-Breaking the fourth amendment by spying on the people. The CIA were allowed to tap phones, emails, bank accounts, ect.

This was not illegal at the time, and was quickly made illegal and was not performed when it was made illegal. Under American law, you cannot prosecute somebody for an ex post facto law.

-Denying habeous corpus to hostages of war

Along with Congress and several other countries.

-Unconstitutional torture

Supreme Court defines "unconstitutional." Torture that was ruled unconstitutional was not performed. Again, ex post facto crimes are not valid under the American legal system.

-Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be a 'high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause.

"If proven" being the operative phrase. There's no evidence to suggest that this happened.

-Lacking hard facts, as evidenced by his now much-discussed deception in his State of the Union address that Iraq sought to buy uranium in Africa, Bush mixed misinformation, distorted allegations and unsubstantiated rumors to persuade the public of the imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein.

Not only is this not illegal, half of it wasn't his fault; misinformation came from the CIA and not Bush.

It really helps to understand how the federal government actually works before you begin to blame the President for everything. ;)

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on what charges i say
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[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]While we're at it, I think we should hang Michael Bay for being an awful director.VoodooGamer

Michael Bay didn't kill thousands of soldiers in an unconstitutional war. He didn't take our rights away with the Patriot Act. He didn't spy on the public. He wasn't a traitor to our way of life.

Bush didn't declare war. Bush didn't pass the Patriot Act. Bush didn't spy on the public.

You seem to hate the Legislative Branch, not the President.

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[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]While we're at it, I think we should hang Michael Bay for being an awful director.Stevo_the_gamer

Michael Bay didn't kill thousands of soldiers in an unconstitutional war. He didn't take our rights away with the Patriot Act. He didn't spy on the public. He wasn't a traitor to our way of life.

What's wrong with the Patriot Act? Do you find fault with the Necessary and Proper clause of the United States Constitution?

Maybe because it has been used in an illegal manner.

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[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]While we're at it, I think we should hang Michael Bay for being an awful director.Theokhoth

Michael Bay didn't kill thousands of soldiers in an unconstitutional war. He didn't take our rights away with the Patriot Act. He didn't spy on the public. He wasn't a traitor to our way of life.

Bush didn't declare war. Bush didn't pass the Patriot Act. Bush didn't spy on the public.

You seem to hate the Legislative Branch, not the PResident.

Let's not let the executive branch receive no blame, there is plenty to go around. Bush signed the Patriot Act, and it is the Executive Branch that did spy on the public; the executive branch is the branch that carries out the law after all.
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Maybe because it has been used in an illegal manner.-Sun_Tzu-
Was only referring to the constitutionality of the act itself.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

Michael Bay didn't kill thousands of soldiers in an unconstitutional war. He didn't take our rights away with the Patriot Act. He didn't spy on the public. He wasn't a traitor to our way of life.

-Sun_Tzu-

Bush didn't declare war. Bush didn't pass the Patriot Act. Bush didn't spy on the public.

You seem to hate the Legislative Branch, not the PResident.

Let's not let the executive branch receive no blame, there is plenty to go around. Bush signed the Patriot Act, and it is the Executive Branch that did spy on the public; the executive branch is the branch that carries out the law after all.

Signing a bill that is approved by Congress is no crime, even if the bill itself sucks.

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#81 RenegadePatriot
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I do not see why he should be put on trial ?
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Bush and the White House don't have the power to declare war, but the White House seemed to be hell bent on going to war with Iraq.

The U.N. looked for WMDs twice and said firmly that they don't believe Iraq has WMDs.

Then the Pentagon couldn't find any real proof of Iraq having WMDs so they made up.... I mean were misinformed about Iraq trying to buy Uranium from Africa.

6 years leter no WMDs, Uranium, or anything. Just a messed up country.

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#83 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Bush didn't declare war. Bush didn't pass the Patriot Act. Bush didn't spy on the public.

You seem to hate the Legislative Branch, not the PResident.

Theokhoth

Let's not let the executive branch receive no blame, there is plenty to go around. Bush signed the Patriot Act, and it is the Executive Branch that did spy on the public; the executive branch is the branch that carries out the law after all.

Signing a bill that is approved by Congress is no crime, even if the bill itself sucks.

Oh, I know it's not a crime to sign a bill into law, but Bush still deserves blame for signing it. And the executive branch did illegally use the patriot act on more than one occasion.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Little_Big_Dude"][QUOTE="dumy67"] @Everyone else -- pay attention to the news once in a while -- it does wonders. @you and everyone else -Declaring a war without the consent of Congress. This has been on the news, and it's one of the chief reasons why people believe that Bush should be tried. -Breaking the fourth amendment by spying on the people. The CIA were allowed to tap phones, emails, bank accounts, ect. -Denying habeous corpus to hostages of war -Unconstitutional torture -Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be a 'high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause. -Lacking hard facts, as evidenced by his now much-discussed deception in his State of the Union address that Iraq sought to buy uranium in Africa, Bush mixed misinformation, distorted allegations and unsubstantiated rumors to persuade the public of the imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein.

I always thought the president cannot declare war? only congress can, as stated in the constitution. Believe it or not, Congress did vote to go to war with Iraq, now were they misinformed because of the president's agenda? who knows, and the president can commit troops to another country without the consent of congress, it is one of his presidential powers. Also, the NSA has been spying on people in the U.S. for some time. It is the echelon program, it used to be top secret until they were discovered a long time ago. And i guess I am one of those guys who does not care if a terrorist does not get his day in court, I would gladly dump water on him if he had information concerning the lives of american citizens/soldiers. If I am wrong on anything please feel free to correct me.

There are laws, both domestic and international, that prohibit torture. If you break the law, you should face the consequences. The only way a law can mantain its legitimacy is if it is enforced. I'm not saying that Bush himself should be put on trial, but there should be an investigation to determine if there should be a trial and who should be put to trial.

If these people who were "torturing" others were just doing as they were told. Why should they be put on trial? I am one of these people who think the techniques these guys used to get information do not count as torture. I'm saying that there was no torture IMO. Although i don't agree with what you said I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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No. He should become president again.. America was actually SAFE when he was pres..
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[QUOTE="Little_Big_Dude"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Little_Big_Dude"] I always thought the president cannot declare war? only congress can, as stated in the constitution. Believe it or not, Congress did vote to go to war with Iraq, now were they misinformed because of the president's agenda? who knows, and the president can commit troops to another country without the consent of congress, it is one of his presidential powers. Also, the NSA has been spying on people in the U.S. for some time. It is the echelon program, it used to be top secret until they were discovered a long time ago. And i guess I am one of those guys who does not care if a terrorist does not get his day in court, I would gladly dump water on him if he had information concerning the lives of american citizens/soldiers. If I am wrong on anything please feel free to correct me.

There are laws, both domestic and international, that prohibit torture. If you break the law, you should face the consequences. The only way a law can mantain its legitimacy is if it is enforced. I'm not saying that Bush himself should be put on trial, but there should be an investigation to determine if there should be a trial and who should be put to trial.

If these people who were "torturing" others were just doing as they were told. Why should they be put on trial? I am one of these people who think the techniques these guys used to get information do not count as torture. I'm saying that there was no torture IMO. Although i don't agree with what you said I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Under Nuremburg Principle IV, "Just following orders" doesn't constitute as an excuse for violating international law. However, I never said who should be put on trial. There has to be an investigation first.
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#87 DJ-Lafleur
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No, Bush should not go to trial. Everything he did was okayed by Congress. :|

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#88 DarKre
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Bush should just come forward and put his administration to hell, cause its mostly their doing not his.

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Under Nuremburg Principle IV, "Just following orders" doesn't constitute as an excuse for violating international law. However, I never said who should be put on trial. There has to be an investigation first. To me I feel there is no need for an investigation since I feel no law was violated, but I respect your opinion.
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why should he be put to trial? he was just doing what congress thought was in the best interest of the U.S. he was doing his job of protecting his country from any possible threat. saddam practically bragged to us that he had nukes and was willing to use them on us. I would consider that a pretty big threat to national security dont you think?

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#91 gameguy6700
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No. He wasn't the best president, but he certainly wasn't the worst. Has their been another major terrorist attack in the states since 9/11?omfg_its_dally

There was the shoe bomber and anthrax mailer. Now if you mean was there another terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11, the question you really should be asking yourself is "have there been any attempted major terrorist attacks since 9/11?". The answer to that question being of course "no".

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#92 htekemerald
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I think he and several members of his administration need to answer for the numerous human rights abuses that were authorized by him and his administration.

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#93 caveboy11
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For what exactly?

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for being george bush
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#94 Link256
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Whether or not he should, not going to happen.
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#95 Tjeremiah1988
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No. He should become president again.. America was actually SAFE when he was pres.. th3warr1or
Really??? September 11, 2001... Also, the Patriot Act should get thrown away. It literally spits on the US and ironically its called the "Patriot"Act.
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#96 kingdre
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For what? Making unpopular choices? :roll:

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#97 Darth_Tyrev
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If we did that, we'd have to put hundreds, perhaps thousands of others on trial. The President isn't the sole leader.