Should I tell people that I am an atheist?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Maybe to you there is no evidence, but honestly when I pick up the bible I can see the divine work put into this world. Yes it has turned sour into a world of sin, but look at the intricities of life and you can see God. I am not a typical Christian, IE I don't go to Church, but that doesn't stop me from studying. Science may have some conjectures, but it also has evidence to support God. I am sorry, but I don't think humans or anything for that matter could evolve that much, sure things change, just not in that manner.

VisigothSaxon

There is the Shroud of Turin, Atomic Glue, Noah's Arc (Which was found in the moutains preserved in Ice I forget where), there are also many other unexplaiend things in science that point to an Evangelical being. I can't help any of you with finding proof of your own, you either see God or you do not, some people just aren't aware enough to see it, or they ignore it, or they simply do not look. Whether or not God exists has never been a question for me. All the fossil stuff doesn't disprove or point against God, even some of it point towrds God. I forget what it was, but there were these ancient Dinosaur if I remember correctly and Human prints that were significant to something in the Bible or God, but that story was awhile ago.

I can't really relate to your situation (so I'm not sure why I'm even posting). But it seems like just about everyone where I live is an atheist. The idea that anyone would be disappointed after learning that I'm one to is really foreign to me.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
But that is merely your own proof. Many atheists want proof of their own, not just what you have contained in your conscious being. What evidence does science have to support God? How do these "intricacies" explain the existence of God? If you spent some time actually looking into evolution and the fossil record (not to mention more modern examples of evolution, such as bacteria that can consume human-created synthetic fibres; nylon), you'd see the evidence is so great, that evolution is possibly the most well-represented theory in science. Even the theory of gravity doesn't have as much evidence as evolution... and we know for a fact gravity exists.

I have to say though, if this "evidence" you have is truly evidence of God as a literal, objective being, then I would implore you to share it, because it would change the face of not only religious studies (my profession) but science. However, if all you have are your own psychological subjectivities, that can only "prove" it to you, then it won't do you much good in a debate about objective facts. If you want to discuss the hermeneutics of your ontology, then I'd be glad to discuss it, but when you come into a thread and claim as if you have all the objective answers, it comes off as quite condescending.

testfactor888

There is the Shroud of Turin, Atomic Glue, Noah's Arc (Which was found in the moutains preserved in Ice I forget where), there are also many other unexplaiend things in science that point to an Evangelical being. I can't help any of you with finding proof of your own, you either see God or you do not, some people just aren't aware enough to see it, or they ignore it, or they simply do not look. Whether or not God exists has never been a question for me. All the fossil stuff doesn't disprove or point against God, even some of it point towrds God. I forget what it was, but there were these ancient Dinosaur if I remember correctly and Human prints that were significant to something in the Bible or God, but that story was awhile ago.

All of these were like a year or two ago, but I will see if I can find them. The Atomic Glue(I am not sure if it is the exact name) is what scientist used to explain what hold atoms together and pretty much everything on Earth together. They do not understand what hold these atoms together, they only know that it is held together. I remember my Dad talking about it when he went to Science ****

Alright I found a story on the Noah's Ark, it sounds pretty cool,

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.html

Here a dinosaur thing, I don't think it is what I read about awhile ago, so I will keep lookin.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]if asked be honest but no need to go running around telling everyoneLonelynight

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

There is the Shroud of Turin, Atomic Glue, Noah's Arc (Which was found in the moutains preserved in Ice I forget where), there are also many other unexplaiend things in science that point to an Evangelical being. I can't help any of you with finding proof of your own, you either see God or you do not, some people just aren't aware enough to see it, or they ignore it, or they simply do not look. Whether or not God exists has never been a question for me. All the fossil stuff doesn't disprove or point against God, even some of it point towrds God. I forget what it was, but there were these ancient Dinosaur if I remember correctly and Human prints that were significant to something in the Bible or God, but that story was awhile ago.

All of these were like a year or two ago, but I will see if I can find them. The Atomic Glue(I am not sure if it is the exact name) is what scientist used to explain what hold atoms together and pretty much everything on Earth together. They do not understand what hold these atoms together, they only know that it is held together. I remember my Dad talking about it when he went to Science ****

I think the Noah's ark thing is real read the story I posted above, and I am not sure why gamespot bleeped out class.

Here is another site that has human and dinosaur footprints together.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

Here is another

http://paleo.cc/paluxy.htm

I only skimmed the sites, so I don't know how good they actually are.

Alright I found a story on the Noah's Ark, it sounds pretty cool,

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Alright I found a story on the Noah's Ark, it sounds pretty cool,

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

testfactor888

Well, who knows if it really is, but it is where people expected it to be and it is from the right time period. So more likely than not, it is Noah's Ark. Besides, Jesus is known historically to be a real person and I stand by him no matter what.

Alright I found a story on the Noah's Ark, it sounds pretty cool,

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.html

Here a dinosaur thing, I don't think it is what I read about awhile ago, so I will keep lookin.

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Alright I found a story on the Noah's Ark, it sounds pretty cool,

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

VisigothSaxon

Well, who knows if it really is, but it is where people expected it to be and it is from the right time period. So more likely than not, it is Noah's Ark. Besides, Jesus is known historically to be a real person and I stand by him no matter what.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Alright I found a story on the Noah's Ark, it sounds pretty cool,

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.html

Here a dinosaur thing, I don't think it is what I read about awhile ago, so I will keep lookin.

testfactor888

Well I said in my post below, that I merely skimmed them, and I agree with you, that one is most likely garbage.

I think the Noah's ark thing is real read the story I posted above, and I am not sure why gamespot bleeped out class.

Here is another site that has human and dinosaur footprints together.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

Here is another

http://paleo.cc/paluxy.htm

I only skimmed the sites, so I don't know how good they actually are.

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Alright I found a story on the Noah's Ark, it sounds pretty cool,

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.html

Here a dinosaur thing, I don't think it is what I read about awhile ago, so I will keep lookin.

VisigothSaxon

Well I said in my post below, that I merely skimmed them, and I agree with you, that one is most likely garbage.

Lolz, um alright I will try and find another.

Here is another.

http://www.creation-vs-evolution.us/visual-evolution/human-footprints/

tell people if they ask you

be proud of who you are :)

Here is another.

http://www.creation-vs-evolution.us/visual-evolution/human-footprints/

VisigothSaxon

It even goes on to show how these footprints are carvings and are faked

So I don't see how this link helped you

Lolz, like I said I am just skimming, alright I will find one more link.

and Here it is

http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48

Lolz, like I said I am just skimming, alright I will find one more link.

VisigothSaxon

Lolz, like I said I am just skimming, alright I will find one more link.

and Here it is

http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48

VisigothSaxon

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/delk.htm

Honestly this one was easy to debunk. I am sorry but there was never humans co-existing with dinosaurs. You can believe there we're and I am not going to try to insult you for it. As I said everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs. Just everything you are showing thus far is all faked

I don't understand Atheism, why in hell would you believe in a world with no God and have nothing to look forward to after this life? Also, how do you explain how we got here in the first place, I am sorry but darwanism definitely gives no answers, I suppose you just want to burry your head in the sand.

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="testfactor888"] I know of the shroud but have never heard of atomic glue. I believe the Noah's Ark thing was found out to be not real but I am not positive. If you could provide proof that it was found and that people have guaranteed its the actual Ark that would be appreciated. The last thing you said interests me as you make it seem like they found dinosaur fossils with human prints which would be new to me. To have proof that these fossils and prints we're together and came from the same time would honestly be something that would blow my mind as it totally goes against anything science has said. Please provide links for this.

All of these were like a year or two ago, but I will see if I can find them. The Atomic Glue(I am not sure if it is the exact name) is what scientist used to explain what hold atoms together and pretty much everything on Earth together. They do not understand what hold these atoms together, they only know that it is held together. I remember my Dad talking about it when he went to Science ****

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Lolz, like I said I am just skimming, alright I will find one more link.

and Here it is

http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48

testfactor888

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/delk.htm

Honestly this one was easy to debunk. I am sorry but there was never humans co-existing with dinosaurs. You can believe there we're and I am not going to try to insult you for it. As I said everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs. Just everything you are showing thus far is all faked

Ya, well who knows, maybe some day there will be a better discovery or something.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Lolz, like I said I am just skimming, alright I will find one more link.

and Here it is

http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48

VisigothSaxon

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/delk.htm

Honestly this one was easy to debunk. I am sorry but there was never humans co-existing with dinosaurs. You can believe there we're and I am not going to try to insult you for it. As I said everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs. Just everything you are showing thus far is all faked

Ya, well who knows, maybe some day there will be a better discovery or something.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

I don't understand Atheism, why in hell would you believe in a world with no God and have nothing to look forward to after this life? Also, how do you explain how we got here in the first place, I am sorry but darwanism definitely gives no answers, I suppose you just want to burry your head in the sand.

tocool340

I am by no means an automated machine, I don't go to church, I do read the bible and pray, but what can I say, its something I enjoy. I follow my own morals, they just happen to be the same as what the Bible speaks of. What is the point of living a life of no morals and doing wicked things for the sake of it, because you believe there is no afterlife, but what if there is, wouldn't you regret your life without morals. You can see or believe in God anyway you want, I am just saying how I see him, and I don't see him because of how the Church told me to see him, I see him using what I have read in the bible. Hell will never be a pleasant place, but I believe everyone gets a chance one way or another to pick thier side, whether it be during their life, before their death, or in the afterlife after there death.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/delk.htm

Honestly this one was easy to debunk. I am sorry but there was never humans co-existing with dinosaurs. You can believe there we're and I am not going to try to insult you for it. As I said everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs. Just everything you are showing thus far is all faked

testfactor888

Ya, well who knows, maybe some day there will be a better discovery or something.

Nope, you have me wrong, I don't have a date tagged on the Earth. How old the Earth is inconsequential to me and frankly it doesn't matter how old it is to me, it doesn't change the fact of who created it and what I believe in. Although I am pretty sure it's older than 5 thousand years, since scientists do all that carbon dating and such.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

I don't understand Atheism, why in hell would you believe in a world with no God and have nothing to look forward to after this life? Also, how do you explain how we got here in the first place, I am sorry but darwanism definitely gives no answers, I suppose you just want to burry your head in the sand.

VisigothSaxon

I am by no means an automated machine, I don't go to church, I do read the bible and pray, but what can I say, its something I enjoy. I follow my own morals, they just happen to be the same as what the Bible speaks of. What is the point of living a life of no morals and doing wicked things for the sake of it, because you believe there is no afterlife, but what if there is, wouldn't you regret your life without morals. You can see or believe in God anyway you want, I am just saying how I see him, and I don't see him because of how the Church told me to see him, I see him using what I have read in the bible. Hell will never be a pleasant place, but I believe everyone gets a chance one way or another to pick thier side, whether it be during their life, before their death, or in the afterlife after there death.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Ya, well who knows, maybe some day there will be a better discovery or something.

VisigothSaxon

Nope, you have me wrong, I don't have a date tagged on the Earth. How old the Earth is inconsequential to me and frankly it doesn't matter how old it is to me, it doesn't change the fact of who created it and what I believe in. Although I am pretty sure it's older than 5 thousand years, since scientists do all that carbon dating and such.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="testfactor888"] That or what scientists say is correct. That the world is around 4.5 billion years old and that through this time our planet developed life. Which gradually grew into the forms of life we see today. You don't have to believe in it if you don't want. The way you talk though you sound like you believe the earth is 5000 years old. I can't fathom beginning to believe in that so I am not sure if that's what you think or not.testfactor888

Nope, you have me wrong, I don't have a date tagged on the Earth. How old the Earth is inconsequential to me and frankly it doesn't matter how old it is to me, it doesn't change the fact of who created it and what I believe in. Although I am pretty sure it's older than 5 thousand years, since scientists do all that carbon dating and such.

Ye, well I am unique and I was just talking about a discovery, although I failed to find it today.

I think the Noah's ark thing is real read the story I posted above, and I am not sure why gamespot bleeped out class.

Here is another site that has human and dinosaur footprints together.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

Here is another

http://paleo.cc/paluxy.htm

I only skimmed the sites, so I don't know how good they actually are.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"] Because I don't see God as the righteous and good entity as most Christians or other similar religions claim. I'd actually rather there be no life after death if it means having to deal with him. If there was some type of life after death, hell wouldn't seem so bad considering what I have to look forward to in heaven. I don't see it as bad as people claim.... I don't know how this world came to be, but I don't see an invisible man in the sky as a very logical answer. I actually have my own theories that would probably be consider as ludicrous as the big bang to theist. I'm sure we'll find an answer to that someday that will actually makes sense instead of an invisible being deciding out of his ass to make everything for no real logical explanation. As of now, evolution seems more believable. And how is lacking a belief in God even comparable to burying my head in sand? If that's the case, I could say I don't understand why the religious like to live their life as an automated machine by not following their own guidelines and morals for life instead of following the straight and narrow path they see in a book in an attempt to please a entity who probably don't really think that highly of them....testfactor888

I am by no means an automated machine, I don't go to church, I do read the bible and pray, but what can I say, its something I enjoy. I follow my own morals, they just happen to be the same as what the Bible speaks of. What is the point of living a life of no morals and doing wicked things for the sake of it, because you believe there is no afterlife, but what if there is, wouldn't you regret your life without morals. You can see or believe in God anyway you want, I am just saying how I see him, and I don't see him because of how the Church told me to see him, I see him using what I have read in the bible. Hell will never be a pleasant place, but I believe everyone gets a chance one way or another to pick thier side, whether it be during their life, before their death, or in the afterlife after there death.

Ya, but the other guy was saying someone who is religous and following good morals isn't following his own morals. I forget what its called but there are those anti religous people that have no morals. Plus the guy was mentioning Hell, no amount of sin can prevent you from going to heaven btw "tocool."

Be open about it, to the point of annoyance. That's what I do. :twisted: [QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

I think the Noah's ark thing is real read the story I posted above, and I am not sure why gamespot bleeped out class.

Here is another site that has human and dinosaur footprints together.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

Here is another

http://paleo.cc/paluxy.htm

I only skimmed the sites, so I don't know how good they actually are.

-Tish-

I was just talking about something I heard about years ago, but I couldn't find evidence to support it.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

I am by no means an automated machine, I don't go to church, I do read the bible and pray, but what can I say, its something I enjoy. I follow my own morals, they just happen to be the same as what the Bible speaks of. What is the point of living a life of no morals and doing wicked things for the sake of it, because you believe there is no afterlife, but what if there is, wouldn't you regret your life without morals. You can see or believe in God anyway you want, I am just saying how I see him, and I don't see him because of how the Church told me to see him, I see him using what I have read in the bible. Hell will never be a pleasant place, but I believe everyone gets a chance one way or another to pick thier side, whether it be during their life, before their death, or in the afterlife after there death.

VisigothSaxon

Ya, but the other guy was saying someone who is religous and following good morals isn't following his own morals. I forget what its called but there are those anti religous people that have no morals. Plus the guy was mentioning Hell, no amount of sin can prevent you from going to heaven btw "tocool."

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="testfactor888"] Just because someone does not believe in a god does not mean they live a life without morals. testfactor888

Ya, but the other guy was saying someone who is religous and following good morals isn't following his own morals. I forget what its called but there are those anti religous people that have no morals. Plus the guy was mentioning Hell, no amount of sin can prevent you from going to heaven btw "tocool."

Did you not read my post? I said I follow my own morals, which so happen to be good morals. I have no fear of hell, I know of its existence and I know why an unfortunate few will go their.

I was just talking about something I heard about years ago, but I couldn't find evidence to support it.VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Ya, but the other guy was saying someone who is religous and following good morals isn't following his own morals. I forget what its called but there are those anti religous people that have no morals. Plus the guy was mentioning Hell, no amount of sin can prevent you from going to heaven btw "tocool."

VisigothSaxon

Did you not read my post? I said I follow my own morals, which so happen to be good morals. I have no fear of hell, I know of its existence and I know why an unfortunate few will go their.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="testfactor888"] I had a feeling that he said something to make you say that I just diden't see it in his post. Still if the only reason you hold yourself to certain morals is fear of being cast into hell than in the long run you aren't really a moral person. You are a fearful one. Not saying you in particular just in generaltestfactor888

Did you not read my post? I said I follow my own morals, which so happen to be good morals. I have no fear of hell, I know of its existence and I know why an unfortunate few will go their.

Which is true, but I don't like most people.

I think this topic has passed on to the afterlife. :D

It's not like you have to go around annoucning that you're an Atheist. You only need to say anything if people ask. Anything outside of that is up to you. People call me a "good, Christian boy" all the time and I just let it slide and don't say anything about it.

don't tell anybody,i once told people im a atheist,there was angry mob after me

So a few months ago, I became an atheist. For the last few months I have kept quite about it, and have became even more depressed at the idea of death. But after the last few days of watching hours upon hours of videos about atheist, and the universe, my view on life became much more positive. I intially decided that I will not tell anyone(outside the internet) that I am an atheist. Reasons for not doing so include that my dad is a pastor and I used to serve in churches in quite a few areas. Even though my dad is a pastor and my mother is also very religious, I don't think they would be overly hostile to the idea that I am an atheist, but I know that they would be greatly saddened and dissapointed. And many people in my previous churches see me as a very faithful and good servant of the church, while I do not think I am, and do not desire to be what they preceive me as, I do not like to dissapoint people. It is also important to note that my social life outside a church is completely dead. Of the little social activities which I partake and enjoy from being part of the church will probably cease to exist, as I don't think they would allow an atheist in the worship band, and people will also probably view me and my father somewhat negatively. I desire to tell someone about it because it is annoying and tiring to have to pretend that I am a sincere Christian.Lonelynight

Only tell someone if you're asked.

Firstly, how old are you? Secondly, are people around you pressuring you to participate in things you have no desire to?foxhound_fox