as LEGAL Citizen from the Island Grenada I think it's unfair for me because i had to go through three years of hell to get legalized to this country and my dad who had to go through the same thing i did and he pays taxes and a hole lot of stuff but the only thing illegal pays there bills and taxes for the stuff they buy at the store and not pay any federal or state taxes sooo let me know what you think
Illegal citizen is a misnomer, unless if you're talking about forged papers and/or someone who became a citizen despite not meeting the proper requirements.
No. Illegal citizens should be sent back to wherever they came from considering they're, you know... illegal.
Silverbond
this, if they can stay off of the radar good for them but when they show up they should be deported. that is unless the country wants to try the free market approach for the first time ever. then all immigration would be legal, and property rights would reign supreme.
They should have the same rights as long as they live there, illegally though it may be. In other words, the government shouldn't force harm or allow people to force harm upon illegal immigrants or take away their property just because they're illegal. They should be deported though.
well if by illegal citizen you mean illegal immigrant than no they should not, the constitution of any country applies only to those deemed citizens. Therefore the only legal thing to do is to send them back to their own country and make them go through the proper channels in order to apply for a citizenship.
well if by illegal citizen you mean illegal immigrant than no they should not, the constitution of any country applies only to those deemed citizens. Therefore the only legal thing to do is to send them back to their own country and make them go through the proper channels in order to apply for a citizenship.lil_speedy_rvd
Our Constitution does not apply only to citizens. The Constitution never says "The right of the legal citizens. . ." but "The right of the people." Even in Amendment 14, where it lays out who is and isn't a citizen, it says in the very next sentence: ". . .nor shall any state deprive any PERSON. . ." You can't kill an illegal immigrant, you can't steal from them, you can't attack them, you can't arrest them without due process, you can't subject them to cruel or unusual punishment, etc. The only Constitutional right illegal immigrants don't have is the right to vote.
[QUOTE="lil_speedy_rvd"]well if by illegal citizen you mean illegal immigrant than no they should not, the constitution of any country applies only to those deemed citizens. Therefore the only legal thing to do is to send them back to their own country and make them go through the proper channels in order to apply for a citizenship.Theokhoth
Our Constitution does not apply only to citizens. The Constitution never says "The right of the legal citizens. . ." but "The right of the people." Even in Amendment 14, where it lays out who is and isn't a citizen, it says in the very next sentence: ". . .nor shall any state deprive any PERSON. . ." You can't kill an illegal immigrant, you can't steal from them, you can't attack them, you can't arrest them without due process, you can't subject them to cruel or unusual punishment, etc. The only Constitutional right illegal immigrants don't have is the right to vote. Actually in the Canadian constitution, it does clearly state MANY times that these laws only apply to the Canadian citizen, yes our charter of rights and freedom does not specifically say "citizen" so those do apply to everyone within canadian soil, but the rest of the constitution says (for example) "Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada." it also specifies many times after that "Citizens of Canada", therefore those acts (and amendments) need only apply to citizens. Now i dont know the American Constitution as well as the Canadian one, but doesnt it say "We the People of the United States" and as such can only apply to those who are american? unless of course there was some sort of legal precedent that clearly defines this as just " the people".
Depends on what kind of rights we're talking about. Negative rights (right that prevent other people/government from doing certain things), say, right to a fair trial, freedom from slavery, cruel and unusual punishment, harm, discrimination, etc. should be given to all people. It undermines the very idea of rights if they are only afforded to people based on where they are born. Positive rights, (rights that must be provided by other people/the state), such as certain entitlements (say, healthcare, social programs and other things provided by the state) should be for citizens and/or legal migrants only, since these rights are usually provided by taxpayer money.
Definitely not, or at least not at first. If they have been living in the countrly illegaly for several years, like 10, then maybe they should have some avenue for becoming legal.
if they are illegal they aren't citizens; that's kinda the point. They shouldn't be able to vote for our politicians, use our services and enjoy our liberties if they don't give as much as they take. It's a slap to the face of both tax payers and the people that did work hard to come here legally.
Basic human rights...YES Same privileges as citizens...NOrawsavon
I agree. That said, it would be nice to get those rights specifically for illegal immigrants codified into law. Just saying they should go back to where they came from isn't going to get anything done and can easily lead down a slippery slope.
I just don't think they should have basic human rights that we, the tax-payer, have to pay for.
I wouldn't mind paying to deport them, though.
airshocker
What if the cost is the same? Doesn't really make sense to send money deporting people when all they are trying to do is live. Plus they will keep coming back. So either you keep paying to get them out of here or keep paying to help them live. Either way you are spending money... Why not help them live?
What if the cost is the same? Doesn't really make sense to send money deporting people when all they are trying to do is live. Plus they will keep coming back. So either you keep paying to get them out of here or keep paying to help them live. Either way you are spending money... Why not help them live?DEVILinIRON
It's not going to cost the same. Deportation is a one time fee. Paying for their emergency room bills, their children to go to school, etc, is a recurring bill.
We deport them, beef up the wall and get serious about funding the border patrol, and we won't have to worry about them coming back.
You don't get to rub your nose at our laws and get away scot free.
if they are illegal they aren't citizens; that's kinda the point. They shouldn't be able to vote for our politicians, use our services and enjoy our liberties if they don't give as much as they take. It's a slap to the face of both tax payers and the people that did work hard to come here legally.buldog300
[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]What if the cost is the same? Doesn't really make sense to send money deporting people when all they are trying to do is live. Plus they will keep coming back. So either you keep paying to get them out of here or keep paying to help them live. Either way you are spending money... Why not help them live?airshocker
It's not going to cost the same. Deportation is a one time fee. Paying for their emergency room bills, their children to go to school, etc, is a recurring bill.
We deport them, beef up the wall and get serious about funding the border patrol, and we won't have to worry about them coming back.
You don't get to rub your nose at our laws and get away scot free.
The only problem with that is that they keep coming back. So it really isn't a one time fee. Do you think your average illegal immigrant knows anything about our laws? They are really just throwing themselves at the mercy of our people. It is up to us to decide what to do with them. If we don't try and fix the problem over there, it will reach us over here. It doesn't matter how big a wall you build.
The only problem with that is that they keep coming back. So it really isn't a one time fee. Do you think your average illegal immigrant knows anything about our laws? They are really just throwing themselves at the mercy of our people. It is up to us to decide what to do with them. If we don't try and fix the problem over there, it will reach us over here. It doesn't matter how big a wall you build.DEVILinIRON
So we should just pay for them? Is that it? We should just pay because it's hard to do the right thing? The right thing, in case you don't know, is to enforce our laws.
The only problem with that is that they keep coming back. So it really isn't a one time fee. Do you think your average illegal immigrant knows anything about our laws? They are really just throwing themselves at the mercy of our people. It is up to us to decide what to do with them. If we don't try and fix the problem over there, it will reach us over here. It doesn't matter how big a wall you build.DEVILinIRON
Mexico is awash in oil revenues, they should have welfare programs in place for their own citizens.
[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]The only problem with that is that they keep coming back. So it really isn't a one time fee. Do you think your average illegal immigrant knows anything about our laws? They are really just throwing themselves at the mercy of our people. It is up to us to decide what to do with them. If we don't try and fix the problem over there, it will reach us over here. It doesn't matter how big a wall you build.airshocker
So we should just pay for them? Is that it? We should just pay because it's hard to do the right thing? The right thing, in case you don't know, is to enforce our laws.
As I said before, you are paying either way. Why not pay to help them out? That's what they are looking for anyway.
[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"] The only problem with that is that they keep coming back. So it really isn't a one time fee. Do you think your average illegal immigrant knows anything about our laws? They are really just throwing themselves at the mercy of our people. It is up to us to decide what to do with them. If we don't try and fix the problem over there, it will reach us over here. It doesn't matter how big a wall you build.topsemag55
Mexico is awash in oil revenues, they should have welfare programs in place for their own citizens.
Their government is pretty ****ed up as it is. I really wish they would have a revolution down there. As long as it doesn't spill into the US, I'm cool with it. Surely it would distract all the drug runners down there, trying to get themselves into power in a government seat. In the end I bet it would get rid of all the jerks who take the common Mexican citizen for granted assuming the common Mexican citizen is smart enough to not let themselves get caught up in eloquent speeches by slick talking **** Part of the immigration issue on our end is we're pretty much allowing them to come through, giving their children access to services, etc. Here's a question to put out: if your parents are illegal immigrants and you were born in the US, should that automatically mean you get to be an American citizen? I don't think so. You're under 18 and in the responsible care of adults who know what they did was against our laws. I don't think children should carry the sins of their parents, but in this case, we shouldn't let illegal aliens' children enjoy America's benefits because their parents broke the rules.
As I said before, you are paying either way. Why not pay to help them out? That's what they are looking for anyway.
DEVILinIRON
It really comes down to principle. Since, as you say, we already are paying. I want them here legally, not illegally. But they need to earn that by going through the process, and paying fines.
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