Should parents give their kids alcohol at home?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's a bit overdramatic. Twenty one isn't a magic number...and frankly, since 18 is considered adult for everything else, I think the drinking age should be lowered.

Habits are formed way before 18.  Responsible people don't let alcohol deter them from succeeding and irresponsible people have bad habits already.  Besides, it's quite possible alcoholism is genetic.

A glass of wine with dinner is fine...no matter the age.;)

dhyce

You missed my sly snakey e-tongue good sir. I said "stereotyped age of maturity." That is a clear indication that I'm aware it is not a magic number, however I think it is a good place to make alcohol legal, seems as how it allows time to be young and have some fun drinking, while not being too young.

The drinking age should not be lowered to about the age people begin driving, plus, more people right out of highschool being allowed to go to bars and such? No, I think that's a gigantic mistake.

It's obvious habits are formed way before 18, however, people at a turbulent time such as the tail end of puberty should not have the more habit forming opportunities pushed under their noses. You can't call the majority of 18 year olds responsible, most don't know the meaning of the word. Some are really responsible of course though.

Alcoholism can't be genetic. lol, one is only inclined to become an alcoholic based on exposure. Way way way back alcohol never existed for mankind, you mean to say a gene was there for us to make people desire something they've never tasted more so than others? That's pretty silly, hun. It's only nurture that creates an alcoholic.

And I disagree with the glass of wine thing, you also said no matter the age... please boys and girls, do not give babies glasses of wine. :P

However, you can be a great parent all you want, and ultimately it is still up to the kids what they are going to do, and the decisions they make through life. And the fact your givin it to em at home...sorta re-inforces the idea that its ok for them to do it, so I think that they are more prone to going out to parties to get drunk cause they do it at home and they are ok there, so why not? 

Kids arent mature enough....hell, some adults arent mature enough.

You missed my sly snakey e-tongue good sir. I said "stereotyped age of maturity." That is a clear indication that I'm aware it is not a magic number, however I think it is a good place to make alcohol legal, seems as how it allows time to be young and have some fun drinking, while not being too young.

The drinking age should not be lowered to about the age people begin driving, plus, more people right out of highschool being allowed to go to bars and such? No, I think that's a gigantic mistake.

It's obvious habits are formed way before 18, however, people at a turbulent time such as the tail end of puberty should not have the more habit forming opportunities pushed under their noses. You can't call the majority of 18 year olds responsible, most don't know the meaning of the word. Some are really responsible of course though.

Alcoholism can't be genetic. lol, one is only inclined to become an alcoholic based on exposure. Way way way back alcohol never existed for mankind, you mean to say a gene was there for us to make people desire something they've never tasted more so than others? That's pretty silly, hun. It's only nurture that creates an alcoholic.

And I disagree with the glass of wine thing, you also said no matter the age... please boys and girls, do not give babies glasses of wine. :P

dhyce

Then are you advocating maturity tests being given before drinking?  Otherwise, it's a guess and you'll get both types of drinkers.  By the way, three years difference really isn't that big of a maturity difference.  The drinking age was lower in states before Reagan.  Guess what....underage drinking and DUI's have gotten worse in the intervening years....not better with the age higher.

Most 18 year olds are out of high school and can serve and die for the country.  Sounds like 18 is considered adult when it's advantageous to the government.  Hypocrital really.

16 is the driving age.  In two years time they should be experienced enough.  By the way....16 and 17 year olds get charged with driving under the influence as of now.  Doesn't stop it now does it?

I've know those at 18 to be more mature than those at 21 and beyond.  Again...individuals don't mature due to age.

Incorrect.  Some people can drink all their life and not develop alcoholism...others develop it early.  The gene doesn't make them want to taste alcohol....it causes the addiction.  I suggest some research on your end.:|

Yeah....I'm for giving babies wine in their glass.....:roll:

Then are you advocating maturity tests being given before drinking?  Otherwise, it's a guess and you'll get both types of drinkers.  By the way, three years difference really isn't that big of a maturity difference.  The drinking age was lower in states before Reagan.  Guess what....underage drinking and DUI's have gotten worse in the intervening years....not better with the age higher.

Most 18 year olds are out of high school and can serve and die for the country.  Sounds like 18 is considered adult when it's advantageous to the government.  Hypocrital really.

16 is the driving age.  In two years time they should be experienced enough.  By the way....16 and 17 year olds get charged with driving under the influence as of now.  Doesn't stop it now does it?

I've know those at 18 to be more mature than those at 21 and beyond.  Again...individuals don't mature due to age.

Incorrect.  Some people can drink all their life and not develop alcoholism...others develop it early.  The gene doesn't make them want to taste alcohol....it causes the addiction.  I suggest some research on your end.:|

Yeah....I'm for giving babies wine in their glass.....:roll:

LJS9502_basic

 Booo, stop being so serious, dear. Simmer.

The baby thing was obviously a joke.

And I don't buy a gene, it makes no sense. I think it's just exposure that causes addictive behavior, to each their own.

I'd love to see a person get drunk every night (At a lab or whatever, seriously drunk for an experiment) for a year then sent back home and left to his own devices and not develope alcoholism, cite me sources, please. Of that experiment, otherwise I wont buy it.

Nah, no tests, I just think 21 is about right. There's no guessing maturity, but it must be made legal at some point and for the majority it seems right. For others, it's unfortunate.

Also, just because 18 year olds can drive and serve the country doesn't change my stance; I think the majority of them aren't responsible or mature enough to be considered adults.

I know people don't mature based on age, I was actually quite mature at 18 myself, still hormonal and loopy though. I'm just saying the younger you condone behavior the larger the chance people will abuse that behavior.

It's just my belief.

Most 18 year olds are out of high school and can serve and die for the country.  Sounds like 18 is considered adult when it's advantageous to the government.  Hypocrital reallyLJS9502_basic

 Booo, stop being so serious, dear. Simmer.

The baby thing was obviously a joke.

And I don't buy a gene, it makes no sense. I think it's just exposure that causes addictive behavior, to each their own.

I'd love to see a person get drunk every night (At a lab or whatever, seriously drunk for an experiment) for a year then sent back home and left to his own devices and not develope alcoholism, cite me sources, please. Of that experiment, otherwise I wont buy it.

Nah, no tests, I just think 21 is about right. There's no guessing maturity, but it must be made legal at some point and for the majority it seems right. For others, it's unfortunate.

Also, just because 18 year olds can drive and serve the country doesn't change my stance; I think the majority of them aren't responsible or mature enough to be considered adults.

I know people don't mature based on age, I was actually quite mature at 18 myself, still hormonal and loopy though. I'm just saying the younger you condone behavior the larger the chance people will abuse that behavior.

It's just my belief.

dhyce

Sources.....I was in the army.  All we did was drink,  Now I can take it or leave it.  Four years by the way beats your one year.  Plus, I manage a liquor store.  I've seen all kinds of drinkers.  Not all of them are alcoholics...but they all drink over more than a year period of time.  I've also studied up on alcoholism.  Doesn't matter what you buy.  The simple truth is exposure is not the reason alcoholism developes.

You didn't address anything substantial in this post.  You just stated the same over again so I guess you just want to reinforce your opinion.  I got it....and I don't agree with it so we don't need to redo this...do we?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Then are you advocating maturity tests being given before drinking? Otherwise, it's a guess and you'll get both types of drinkers. By the way, three years difference really isn't that big of a maturity difference. The drinking age was lower in states before Reagan. Guess what....underage drinking and DUI's have gotten worse in the intervening years....not better with the age higher.

Most 18 year olds are out of high school and can serve and die for the country. Sounds like 18 is considered adult when it's advantageous to the government. Hypocrital really.

16 is the driving age. In two years time they should be experienced enough. By the way....16 and 17 year olds get charged with driving under the influence as of now. Doesn't stop it now does it?

I've know those at 18 to be more mature than those at 21 and beyond. Again...individuals don't mature due to age.

Incorrect. Some people can drink all their life and not develop alcoholism...others develop it early. The gene doesn't make them want to taste alcohol....it causes the addiction. I suggest some research on your end.:|

Yeah....I'm for giving babies wine in their glass.....:roll:

dhyce

Booo, stop being so serious, dear. Simmer.

The baby thing was obviously a joke.

And I don't buy a gene, it makes no sense. I think it's just exposure that causes addictive behavior, to each their own.

I'd love to see a person get drunk every night (At a lab or whatever, seriously drunk for an experiment) for a year then sent back home and left to his own devices and not develope alcoholism, cite me sources, please. Of that experiment, otherwise I wont buy it.

Nah, no tests, I just think 21 is about right. There's no guessing maturity, but it must be made legal at some point and for the majority it seems right. For others, it's unfortunate.

Also, just because 18 year olds can drive and serve the country doesn't change my stance; I think the majority of them aren't responsible or mature enough to be considered adults.

I know people don't mature based on age, I was actually quite mature at 18 myself, still hormonal and loopy though. I'm just saying the younger you condone behavior the larger the chance people will abuse that behavior.

It's just my belief.

Booo, stop being so serious, dear. Simmer.

The baby thing was obviously a joke.

And I don't buy a gene, it makes no sense. I think it's just exposure that causes addictive behavior, to each their own.

I'd love to see a person get drunk every night (At a lab or whatever, seriously drunk for an experiment) for a year then sent back home and left to his own devices and not develope alcoholism, cite me sources, please. Of that experiment, otherwise I wont buy it.

Nah, no tests, I just think 21 is about right. There's no guessing maturity, but it must be made legal at some point and for the majority it seems right. For others, it's unfortunate.

Also, just because 18 year olds can drive and serve the country doesn't change my stance; I think the majority of them aren't responsible or mature enough to be considered adults.

I know people don't mature based on age, I was actually quite mature at 18 myself, still hormonal and loopy though. I'm just saying the younger you condone behavior the larger the chance people will abuse that behavior.

It's just my belief.

dhyce

Listen, dont try so hard with Basic, he just comes here because the majority of people are quite young, so he likes to get serious and argue with them and get the easy win, maybe he should try a debating forum instead.

Sources.....I was in the army.  All we did was drink,  Now I can take it or leave it.  Four years by the way beats your one year.  Plus, I manage a liquor store.  I've seen all kinds of drinkers.  Not all of them are alcoholics...but they all drink over more than a year period of time.  I've also studied up on alcoholism.  Doesn't matter what you buy.  The simple truth is exposure is not the reason alcoholism developes.

You didn't address anything substantial in this post.  You just stated the same over again so I guess you just want to reinforce your opinion.  I got it....and I don't agree with it so we don't need to redo this...do we?

LJS9502_basic

Actually, i quit drinking recently and I don't really want more. You're probably right... alcoholism is probably based on will power, which goes back to nurture. Ah, that makes sense.

Hey there, you're acting like I said I'm intelligent and make good points in one of my posts. I'm autistic and airheaded, don't take every debate so seriously, you don't seem like you're having fun. I come online to have fun and chat! I try to talk seriously sometimes but I'm not very smart.

My opinion is flakey, it changes on countless subjects like everyday, except a few primary things, like my religious beliefs and sexuality. But yeah, just food for thought, have a little more fun posting, you seem grumpy. I'm rambling again, haha, I'll stop.

   Honeslty IMO I think parents should allow their kids to get drunk ONCE to monitor..  So a kid from then on knows their limit, which could possibly reduce alochol poisoning deaths in minors.  Also oen of the main reason why alot of kids drink or do numerous other things is because its AGAINST THE LAW and TABOO. 

  Also the way I see it, better to have kids drink at home iwht moderation, then at a party to overdrink or drive home drunk..

  Also think the drinking age should be lowered to 18..  If you can get drafted or tried as a adult, you should be able to drink.. Notice that the United States has all of these drug problems yet countries in Europe have no where near the problems of the United States with far looser laws on Alochol or for all drugs.

I think its fine for "kids" (talking over 10yrs) to have a drink with their meal. Obv not get totally rat arsed, that would be negligent on the parents behalf. I occasionally had a drink with my parents on special occasions (all those years back when life was much easier!) and maybe at meal times. That didn't do me any harm and doesn't effect the amount that I drink these days (which is very rarely).

But thats just what I think :|

Actually, i quit drinking recently and I don't really want more. You're probably right... alcoholism is probably based on will power, which goes back to nurture. Ah, that makes sense.

Hey there, you're acting like I said I'm intelligent and make good points in one of my posts. I'm autistic and airheaded, don't take every debate so seriously, you don't seem like you're having fun. I come online to have fun and chat! I try to talk seriously sometimes but I'm not very smart.

My opinion is flakey, it changes on countless subjects like everyday, except a few primary things, like my religious beliefs and sexuality. But yeah, just food for thought, have a little more fun posting, you seem grumpy. I'm rambling again, haha, I'll stop.

dhyce

Nah....I always have fun.  It's just obvious you don't understand alcoholism

Nah....I always have fun.  It's just obvious you don't understand alcoholism

LJS9502_basic

Nah....I always have fun.  It's just obvious you don't understand alcoholism

LJS9502_basic

That bad huh? :/

Any sources so I can learn about it? Maybe you can clear things up yourself. I was just under the impression addictive behavior had more to do with exposure and nurture, I really don't see how genetics can exist for something that use to not come in contact with people, it's like saying obesity is genetic when no people were obese back like 1000s of years ago. I believe a lot in the drastic effects of nurture. But if you would like to school me a little, feel free to, I love to learn. Like I said, I'll never pretend to be intelligent. haha

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Nah....I always have fun.  It's just obvious you don't understand alcoholism

dhyce

That bad huh? :/

Any sources so I can learn about it? Maybe you can clear things up yourself. I was just under the impression addictive behavior had more to do with exposure and nurture, I really don't see how genetics can exist for something that use to not come in contact with people, it's like saying obesity is genetic when no people were obese back like 1000s of years ago. I believe a lot in the drastic effects of nurture. But if you would like to school me a little, feel free to, I love to learn. Like I said, I'll never pretend to be intelligent. haha

Bring it on sister! :lol: Crack out the psychology on his ass!

Bring it on sister! :lol: Crack out the psychology on his ass!oozitt

I hope he explains it, I'm going cross eyed trying to comprehend an alcoholic gene. That means, you have people, who've never touched alcohol. They discover alcohol, start making it, drinking it. Then, over an unbelievably short period of time for genetic mutation, develope a gene that inclines their offspring to drink alcohol. When, in any instance of any other substance in the history of human discovery has this mutation ever occured again? *head explodes*

I hope he explains it, I'm going cross eyed trying to comprehend an alcoholic gene. That means, you have people, who've never touched alcohol. They discover alcohol, start making it, drinking it. Then, over an unbelievably short period of time for genetic mutation, develope a gene that inclines their offspring to drink alcohol. When, in any instance of any other substance in the history of human discovery has this mutation ever occured again? *head explodes*

dhyce

As I said...you don't understand.  That's not what the gene does...it predisposes one to alcoholism.  You do know there are people that can drink and drink and never become alcoholic?  You seem to be under the mistaken opinion that simply tasting alcohol leads to alcoholism.  That is not the case.

[QUOTE="dhyce"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Nah....I always have fun.  It's just obvious you don't understand alcoholism

oozitt

That bad huh? :/

Any sources so I can learn about it? Maybe you can clear things up yourself. I was just under the impression addictive behavior had more to do with exposure and nurture, I really don't see how genetics can exist for something that use to not come in contact with people, it's like saying obesity is genetic when no people were obese back like 1000s of years ago. I believe a lot in the drastic effects of nurture. But if you would like to school me a little, feel free to, I love to learn. Like I said, I'll never pretend to be intelligent. haha

Bring it on sister! :lol: Crack out the psychology on his ass!

Why don't you crawl out from underneath your alt and do it yourself.

As I said...you don't understand.  That's not what the gene does...it predisposes one to alcoholism.  You do know there are people that can drink and drink and never become alcoholic?  You seem to be under the mistaken opinion that simply tasting alcohol leads to alcoholism.  That is not the case.LJS9502_basic

Sort of like how a pregnant woman can give birth to a baby addicted to drugs? Only less extreme?

A history of alcoholism in blood leads to the body naturally "taking to alcohol" if exposed?

That sort of makes sense.

I drank a whole lot for a while, now I'm sober and don't really want more, so I can agree also with what you said about people not becoming alcoholics. There's most definitely other contributing factors, nurture involving greed, giving and giving, a lack of warning or outright approval of alcohol as a wonderful thing could also lead the mind to become alcoholic. There could be some sort of genetic aspect, I'd just like it to be explained so I can explain it myself if I ever find myself in this conversation again. But I think I can gather a valid explanation myself, now that I've had a little while to think about it.

[QUOTE="dhyce"]

I hope he explains it, I'm going cross eyed trying to comprehend an alcoholic gene. That means, you have people, who've never touched alcohol. They discover alcohol, start making it, drinking it. Then, over an unbelievably short period of time for genetic mutation, develope a gene that inclines their offspring to drink alcohol. When, in any instance of any other substance in the history of human discovery has this mutation ever occured again? *head explodes*

LJS9502_basic

As I said...you don't understand.  That's not what the gene does...it predisposes one to alcoholism.  You do know there are people that can drink and drink and never become alcoholic?  You seem to be under the mistaken opinion that simply tasting alcohol leads to alcoholism.  That is not the case.

I don't think you are talking about a "alcohol" gene are you. Do you mean a gene that predisposes you to have an addictive personality? You know if you take a journey away from your 360, you may find a large building called a library. In this wonderous and magical place you may find some things called books. Look under the psychology section.

I'm very happy since i was 15  my father  let me finish his beer  , and i share some wine with them.

but they don't have to do that too often 

I don't think you are talking about a "alcohol" gene are you. Do you mean a gene that predisposes you to have an addictive personality? You know if you take a journey away from your 360, you may find a large building called a library. In this wonderous and magical place you may find some things called books. Look under the psychology section.

oozitt

One...this is medical not psychology...the library would do you some good.  Second...all I called it was a genetic...again, see the library for this phenomenon...you seem to have heard of it at least.  Third....show me anything I've stated that has to do with a 360....do you read the posts before yours...or just make up answers.:lol:

I don't think you are talking about a "alcohol" gene are you. Do you mean a gene that predisposes you to have an addictive personality? You know if you take a journey away from your 360, you may find a large building called a library. In this wonderous and magical place you may find some things called books. Look under the psychology section.oozitt

I'm kind of just nodding my head here. There could be some sort of blood relation to alcohol, especially if the mother consumes it during pregnancy, that leads the child to naturally desire alcohol moreso than the average person if they have some. I can sort of see that as a possibility. A gene for addictive behavior, that's pretty shakey too. I swear that nurture/up bringing and education make such a more valid argument than an alcoholic gene. Because I see hide nor hair of a nicotine or caffeine gene.

That's not really a good idea...although some parents will be responsible in giving their children alchohol...many will not be responisble and be getting their child drunk at 10 years old or something crazy like that.  That and kids dont really need drink...at all.  It's not a necessity and would do more harm than good.

I've been drinking since 15, and my father has given me beer/whiskey (but never enough to get drunk on, and although not often still a fair amount over time) since I was 16.  Just because he did that didn't mean that my outlet for drink was cured, I would still drink with friends and for the social aspect of it.  

Third....show me anything I've stated that has to do with a 360....do you read the posts before yours...or just make up answers.:lol:

LJS9502_basic

Here Not as in depth but I'm bored with this topic.LJS9502_basic

Thank you! I'll favorite it and do crazy research later! :)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]As I said...you don't understand.  That's not what the gene does...it predisposes one to alcoholism.  You do know there are people that can drink and drink and never become alcoholic?  You seem to be under the mistaken opinion that simply tasting alcohol leads to alcoholism.  That is not the case.dhyce

Sort of like how a pregnant woman can give birth to a baby addicted to drugs? Only less extreme?

A history of alcoholism in blood leads to the body naturally "taking to alcohol" if exposed?

That sort of makes sense.

I drank a whole lot for a while, now I'm sober and don't really want more, so I can agree also with what you said about people not becoming alcoholics. There's most definitely other contributing factors, nurture involving greed, giving and giving, a lack of warning or outright approval of alcohol as a wonderful thing could also lead the mind to become alcoholic. There could be some sort of genetic aspect, I'd just like it to be explained so I can explain it myself if I ever find myself in this conversation again. But I think I can gather a valid explanation myself, now that I've had a little while to think about it.

  Native American's are a prime example.. They have one of the highest rates of alocholoism then any other minority in the United states.. Because their genetically predesposed to it due that their ancestors had no substance that they used that had such a effects..  While europeans had such a beverage for thousands of years, so their body chemistry were able to adapt to it.