Should sex between consenting adult siblings be considered immoral?

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#151 MotherSuperior
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[QUOTE="Kid-Icarus-"]

From an Athiest point of view, is there any sound rational reason to consider sexual relations between consenting siblings immoral?

JustPlainLucas

:| Now.... I don't know if someone has already said this... but incest causes all sorts of genetic complications. Proof? Ever heard of the Jerry Springer Show? And that's not meant as a joke...

Yes it's been said before but I think the topic was more about the morality of incest without producing offspring. I think we can all agree that bringing a person into the world born out of incest is wrong, whether you're religious or not.

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#152 Kid-Icarus-
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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="Kid-Icarus-"]

From an Athiest point of view, is there any sound rational reason to consider sexual relations between consenting siblings immoral?

MotherSuperior

:| Now.... I don't know if someone has already said this... but incest causes all sorts of genetic complications. Proof? Ever heard of the Jerry Springer Show? And that's not meant as a joke...

Yes it's been said before but I think the topic was more about the morality of incest without producing offspring. I think we can all agree that bringing a person born out of incest is wrong, whether you're religious or not.



Agreed
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#153 Kid-Icarus-
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In my country - Sweden - siblings can marry and have sex, but they have to seek medical permission to have kids. I support this.

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I thought this post yesterday was very interesting. I did not realise there were some countries who actually do allow it.
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#154 Redgarl
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I believe it's wrong when we put the child abuse in the case, but with 2 peoples totally agreeing...

What can you do about it? Probably nothing and we don't know what is as stake here.

 What happen if a brother and sister are not able to make contact and fall in love ina psychedelic way where they can't be with anyone else...

You see, sometime it just a wrong image about what should be tolerate and what should not. Of course, having kids is out of the questions, but human needs in sex are way different than only procreation.

There is some major sex habit over the internet that are totally unacceptable and way more revolting than this one.

In the context you are putting it, sex... ok... child... no... that's my take... 

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#155 DoHo
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Only if you're a guy, and you're sister is really, really hot.

 

I'm joking of course. I wouldn't support it. I personally think it's immoral. But to some other people it might be normal. However, I wouldn't mind sisters going down on each other, especially twin sisters. See, that's the kind of person I am. Double standrads ftw.

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#156 Kid-Icarus-
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Only if you're a guy, and you're sister is really, really hot.

 

I'm joking of course. I wouldn't support it. I personally think it's immoral. But to some other people it might be normal. However, I wouldn't mind sisters going down on each other, especially twin sisters. See, that's the kind of person I am. Double standrads ftw.

DoHo

Haha! Actually I think the law might agree with you, I'm not sure if oral sex, or anything two women can do together, would be enough to constitute incest in the laws eyes.

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#157 chip_money
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*shudder*

 

you made me think about this... :( 

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#158 The_Fairfaxian
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with as much responses as i have seen, I won't be suprised if this is te "big next issue" after gay marriage.
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#159 Whicker89
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Hitler was imbred look at what he accomplished, albiet they were bad but he rose to power
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#160 unknown-phenom
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I think that incest is gross but that doesnt mean I hate people who do it. If they have each others consent then go at it. I would never do it but thats my choice. If they have a child then thats not right because as familys have more kids within the family, incest, then there is more chance the the child to have genetic mutations and diseases.
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#161 MotherSuperior
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with as much responses as i have seen, I won't be suprised if this is te "big next issue" after gay marriage.The_Fairfaxian

I don't think so. Incest is not as widespread or in the publics eye like homosexuality is, mainly because the average person would never think of having sexual relations with a sibling or close relative, and I couldn't imagine it becoming popular any time soon. 

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#162 MotherSuperior
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Hitler was imbred look at what he accomplished, albiet they were bad but he rose to powerWhicker89

1. It's inbred.

2. Please get your facts about Hitler correct. 

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#163 unknown-phenom
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Hitler was imbred look at what he accomplished, albiet they were bad but he rose to powerWhicker89
Dont know if your serious but I laughed anyways lmao
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#164 Whicker89
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[QUOTE="Whicker89"]Hitler was imbred look at what he accomplished, albiet they were bad but he rose to powerMotherSuperior

1. It's inbred.

2. Please get your facts about Hitler correct.

Oh noes spelling police! Actually my facts are correct :|
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#165 cjdaweasel
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Immoral? Maybe, being that morality is a purely human concern, and not any of mine. I'm not going to tell anyone who they should have sex with regardless of how improper I think it is.

 Illegal? No. Once the government starts regulating sexual relations we might just all start taking goose-stepping lessons.

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#166 SS11SS
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Deffinately Imoral
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#167 ace-rizzle
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]It's wrong becouse it produces children with genetic problems.Kid-Icarus-

Proof? This is something which is still debated

Not really, Inbred people are all over the place... It almost always causes a genetic defect... 

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#168 Cloud6900
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How does it feel being your little brother's father... >__>
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#169 whitetiger3521
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It is wrong but hey one of my cousin's is engaged to his 3rd cousin or something like that. I personally do not like the fact but I can't control other people. If they wanna do it so be it but I wont be around them or support it.
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#170 L8erSquare
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Eww!
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#171 VilgeDuin
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And why not try reading the thread, instead of saying exactly the same things which have been said tens of times?
Kid-Icarus-


Why are you not reading other people's posts? Your ignorance is blinding. So many people have countlessly refuted your foolish stance on this "issue" and yet you keep running back to the exact same boring, trite and redundant response.

And yet YOU can't even come up with anything to justify incest.

How about this... Instead of just asking "Why is the sky blue?", and many people giving you reasons... Yet you say every last reason is wrong... You give a reason why you think the sky is blue? Same concept, can ya try that?

Unless of course, this is the most obvious attempt at seeking attention I've ever seen.


[QUOTE="VilgeDuin"]From a genetic, familial and numerous other reaons it is just wrong.Kid-Icarus-


Genetic reasoning is not a reason. There is a risk they may have genetically deficient children, even using birth control, is that a reason to say that sex between siblings is immoral and should be illegal however? ... By that reasoning you must say that for people who have Huntington's Disease or Dwarfism etc. to have sex, even using birth control, it is immoral. The truth is you are trying to rationalize a belief which has no rational explanation, just as those who argue that homosexuality is immoral. It just so happens that the belief that sex between siblings is immoral happens to be more prevelant in our society. Both beliefs are just constructs of society.



I LOVE HOW YOU IGNORED THE REST OF MY POSTS!

Respond to it all, not just one word out of a sentence, and I'll bother to acknowledge you may have some semblence of sanity. And I may bother to respond in kind.

You want a debate on here... Then participate yourself.


im·mor·al
adjective
1. violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
2. licentious or lascivious.


^ Regardless, that's the definition of immoral.

Why incestuous relations is wrong... Is right there in point number 1.

Do a random survey of people... Phone them, write, street ambush, online... You will find a vast majority of people are against it.

They don't have to have a reason honestly... Aside from "Gee, do I want to have sex with my mommy or daddy? No"




:| ....... this world is going from bad to worse, people have to draw a line somewhere you cannot just say everything is okalcarazo9


Exactly. That's the exact damn reason why we humans "created morals". I love how some ignorant people must rebel and be nonconformist just for the sake of it to go against the grain. It doesn't make them cool or appear to have a spec of intelligence for that matter.

Throw away morals (which are simply what the vast majority of society thinks is right) anytime you wish because you can't properly justify it for yourself, you might as well run off into the woods and be the savage animal you choose to be.

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#172 thephoenix365
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it isn't purely religious.  It was a simple scientific problem, namely shortening the gene pool.  It can lead to all sorts of problems for the children down the line and it is of no natural benefit to humanity as a whole.

As such yes it is wrong, and a bit like murder, i'd hope it isn't just society that causes it to be wrong, i'd hope it was wrong on a more basic level than that.
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#173 Guiltfeeder566
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Why? Do you want to have sex with your sister? :?

But i think its wrong, both geneticly and... becuase thats ****** up.

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#174 luke1889
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Out of all the people that you could get all hanky-panky with, a sibling isn't the best of choices.

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#175 MotherSuperior
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[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]

[QUOTE="Whicker89"]Hitler was imbred look at what he accomplished, albiet they were bad but he rose to powerWhicker89

1. It's inbred.

2. Please get your facts about Hitler correct.

Oh noes spelling police! Actually my facts are correct :|

You probably believed it was actually spelled 'imbred.' And no, your facts about Hitler are not correct. Hitler if we are talking about the Nazi Commander Adolf Hitler was not inbred.

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#176 Zaeryn
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Their choice. That's all I have to say >.
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#177 waitaseck
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Ewwww! It would feel so wrong.
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#178 BuddyAces
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[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]

[QUOTE="BuddyAces"]What about consenting adults cousins? I'm surprised no one has brought that up yet.
Kid-Icarus-

The topic is incest, which includes cousins.

Depends how you define Incest, if you are talking about the legal definition, then that differs. There are various states in the USA in fact where sexual relations between first cousins is not considered incest.

And there are some states that even allow marriage between cousins, although some of those states have circumstances (i.e. Can't have kids, seek genetic counseling, etc.) 

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#179 unknown-phenom
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The fact the the people who are saying "Ewwww" and "Omg, thats so gross, I couldnt imagine doing that" are actually thinking about how gross it would be is morally disturbing.
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#180 LJS9502_basic
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  Once the government starts regulating sexual relations we might just all start taking goose-stepping lessons.cjdaweasel

In some cases, it's necessary.:|

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#181 Silver_Dragon17
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It is extremely immoral and should not be done. It is sick.