Should the entire US speak english? Should we pay for classes for immigrants?

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#1 Atheists_Pwn
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I personally think it would make more sense if we all spoke one language.

Since the majority speaks english, I think it makes sense that immigrants learn the language of the land

but we shouldnt demonize them, we should give them free classes to get basic english down.

What do you think? I am talking about legal immigrants here.

edit: by this country I mean the USA. heh

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I think that if a person is coming to a country for whatever reason, they should learn the language. I don't want to learn a different language in my own country just because immigrants don't want to when they come here.

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#3 Atheists_Pwn
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I think that if a person is coming to a country for whatever reason, they should learn the language. I don't want to learn a different language in my own country just because immigrants don't want to when they come here.

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so do you support free classes?
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#4 lightleggy
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hmmm why do you care if inmigrants speak english or not? if they want to move between spanish speaking circles, let them be! no, I dont care if someone speaks english or not
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#5 Strider_91
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I think yeah it would be easier if all spoke one language.. But this isn't going to happen... So before you go somewhere it's your job to learn their language.. Or suffer!
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#6 Atheists_Pwn
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hmmm why do you care if inmigrants speak english or not? if they want to move between spanish speaking circles, let them be! no, I dont care if someone speaks english or notlightleggy
Im not saying I think they should STOP speaking whatever language they want. I just think they should know english, so we can all communicate.
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#7 N-REAL
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I think that if a person is coming to a country for whatever reason, they should learn the language. I don't want to learn a different language in my own country just because immigrants don't want to when they come here.

Legendaryscmt

That would be a valid point. Considering the US is a multicultural place (spanish, french, chinese, arab, etc) that would make things better for everyone. :)

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#8 Setsa
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They should learn the language of the land, but that goes for anyone going into any foreign nation. It's idiotic to desire to be part of a society, yet you refuse to learn any of the common languages in the new land.
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#9 Atheists_Pwn
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They should learn the language of the land, but that goes for anyone going into any foreign nation. It's idiotic to desire to be part of a society, yet you refuse to learn any of the common languages in the new land.Setsa
So whats your stance on classes....? sheesh, do people read anything but topic titles?
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#10 needled24-7
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if a foreigner moves here, then yes, i think they should know English, or at least enough to be able to communicate with me effectively.

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#11 Setsa
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[QUOTE="Setsa"]They should learn the language of the land, but that goes for anyone going into any foreign nation. It's idiotic to desire to be part of a society, yet you refuse to learn any of the common languages in the new land.Atheists_Pwn
So whats your stance on classes....? sheesh, do people read anything but topic titles?

I voted for classes, so that's my opinion on that :P
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#12 CommanderShiro
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I think it would be beneficial if Americans learned to speak more than just English.

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#13 scorch-62
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I think that if a person is coming to a country for whatever reason, they should learn the language. I don't want to learn a different language in my own country just because immigrants don't want to when they come here.

Legendaryscmt
The problem with that is that America has no language.
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They should learn the language of the land, but that goes for anyone going into any foreign nation. It's idiotic to desire to be part of a society, yet you refuse to learn any of the common languages in the new land.Setsa

this.this.this.

why is there people in america that cant speak english at all??

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#15 Duxsox56
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Yeah, immigrants should learn English. If you are going to live in a country you should speak the language of that country. I don't want to have to learn a second language just to be able to communicate with others in my own country.Spanish becoming almost as common in America as English is just ridiculous. We should have a slogan "English or gtfo"

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#16 Sides
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Other countries have people speaking different languages, so why change from that?

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#17 Duxsox56
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

I think that if a person is coming to a country for whatever reason, they should learn the language. I don't want to learn a different language in my own country just because immigrants don't want to when they come here.

scorch-62

The problem with that is that America has no language.

I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans are not mute.

Officially we don't have a language, but it is known that Americans speak english.

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#18 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

I think that if a person is coming to a country for whatever reason, they should learn the language. I don't want to learn a different language in my own country just because immigrants don't want to when they come here.

scorch-62

The problem with that is that America has no language.

yeah, not officially, but i mean come on, the language of the US is English.

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#19 MagikarpSplash
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I think that if a person is coming to a country for whatever reason, they should learn the language. I don't want to learn a different language in my own country just because immigrants don't want to when they come here.

Legendaryscmt
I totally agree.
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#20 Pixel-Pirate
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I think if you're going to work in american society, you should speak the language instead of being offended the entire country doesn't want to learn your language.

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#21 leviathan91
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It's a hard language to learn but never-the-less, immigrants should still learn to speak it if they want to get ahead in the USA. But the bilingual classes are a joke and *insert minority* history month. We shouldn't be adopting their whatever culture or language they practice, it should be the opposite.

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#22 brandojones
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Yeah, immigrants should learn English. If you are going to live in a country you should speak the language of that country. I don't want to have to learn a second language just to be able to communicate with others in my own country.Spanish becoming almost as common in America as English is just ridiculous. We should have a slogan "English or gtfo"

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Agreed. :x

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#23 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]hmmm why do you care if inmigrants speak english or not? if they want to move between spanish speaking circles, let them be! no, I dont care if someone speaks english or notAtheists_Pwn
Im not saying I think they should STOP speaking whatever language they want. I just think they should know english, so we can all communicate.

having free classes would mean tax raise...and if americans dont want to have health insurance because of that...do you really think that they would like the idea of paying english classes to foreigners?
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I don't honestly care if they don't speak English. It's not like overnight half the country is going to be speaking nothing but Spanish.

People who don't speak English in this country usually don't get really well paying jobs as they cannot communicate well with others.

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#25 lightleggy
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It's a hard language to learn but never-the-less, immigrants should still learn to speak it if they want to get ahead in the USA. But the bilingual classes are a joke and *insert minority* history month. We shouldn't be adopting their whatever culture or language they practice, it should be the opposite.

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dude are you fricking serious? english is one of the easiest languages to learn...you wanna know hard languages? spanish, german and mandarin...those are hard...this comes from a latin (I am latin) english has got to be the easiest language that some foreigner can learn as their second language, after portuguese and french...but seriously english is not hard at all! its just that in latinamerica, the english classes in elementary and high school suck! they teach you things that a toddler knows when you are in 10th grade...how do they expect to see progress in english like that?
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#26 Stanley09
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If you come to america, you should learn english. I think there should be penalties for those who speak different languages in public places because for all we know it could translate into "Is you gun loaded" or something.
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#27 Theokhoth
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Seeing as it's a requirement in order to immigrate here, it sure would be nice if the legal immigrants learned English.
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]hmmm why do you care if inmigrants speak english or not? if they want to move between spanish speaking circles, let them be! no, I dont care if someone speaks english or notlightleggy
Im not saying I think they should STOP speaking whatever language they want. I just think they should know english, so we can all communicate.

having free classes would mean tax raise...and if americans dont want to have health insurance because of that...do you really think that they would like the idea of paying english classes to foreigners?

They arent foreigners if theyre legal citizens. and the point here is to see how much people actually want immigrants to speak english and no, it does not mean raising taxes, we could merely cut funding for other programs. We CAN raise taxes too, but I personally wouldnt mind either way
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#29 Atheists_Pwn
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Im going to change the topic title since it seems nobody thinks its worth reading the content of the thread
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#30 lightleggy
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If you come to america, you should learn english. I think there should be penalties for those who speak different languages in public places because for all we know it could translate into "Is you gun loaded" or something. Stanley09
you cant be serious right? nah...it was a joke...right? banning other languages in public places? what? is speaking other languages considered hazardous for health or what? who the hell would translate something that a foreigner says as "is your gun loaded"? I think you should learn what TOLERANCE means...banning other languages just because you cant understand them is not right at all. I nominate your post for the prize of "the most offensive post of the year"
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Im not saying I think they should STOP speaking whatever language they want. I just think they should know english, so we can all communicate.

having free classes would mean tax raise...and if americans dont want to have health insurance because of that...do you really think that they would like the idea of paying english classes to foreigners?

They arent foreigners if theyre legal citizens. and the point here is to see how much people actually want immigrants to speak english and no, it does not mean raising taxes, we could merely cut funding for other programs. We CAN raise taxes too, but I personally wouldnt mind either way

look friend, the point is that they were not born in the US so they will always be "foreigners" for regular people... and you could also "cut funds for something else" for healthcare...do you think that they would give a priority to do that for free english classes? no, free english classes wont occur, not before healthcare gets the reform
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#32 MikeV54
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Every single government document ever made in this country has been written in English. If the immigrants cannot speak English then they should stay out until they can. And no there should not be any free classes for them. If they cannot afford to take one in their own country then how can they afford to even come here?
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btw since you just changed the name to "SHOULD WE PAY CLASSES FOR INMIGRANTS" you will now see a whole avalanche of people saying "hell no! I aint gonna pay a cent for an inmigrant to learn my language! they should learn it before they come here!"
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] having free classes would mean tax raise...and if americans dont want to have health insurance because of that...do you really think that they would like the idea of paying english classes to foreigners?

They arent foreigners if theyre legal citizens. and the point here is to see how much people actually want immigrants to speak english and no, it does not mean raising taxes, we could merely cut funding for other programs. We CAN raise taxes too, but I personally wouldnt mind either way

look friend, the point is that they were not born in the US so they will always be "foreigners" for regular people... and you could also "cut funds for something else" for healthcare...do you think that they would give a priority to do that for free english classes? no, free english classes wont occur, not before healthcare gets the reform

Yes we could cut funds from other areas to fund healthcare. we could also give free english classes.
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Im not saying I think they should STOP speaking whatever language they want. I just think they should know english, so we can all communicate.Atheists_Pwn
having free classes would mean tax raise...and if americans dont want to have health insurance because of that...do you really think that they would like the idea of paying english classes to foreigners?

They arent foreigners if theyre legal citizens. and the point here is to see how much people actually want immigrants to speak english and no, it does not mean raising taxes, we could merely cut funding for other programs. We CAN raise taxes too, but I personally wouldnt mind either way

your post made me think of a question. when people who want to become citizens take the test for citizenship, can they request to have the questions in a different language, or do they have to take it in English?

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btw since you just changed the name to "SHOULD WE PAY CLASSES FOR INMIGRANTS" you will now see a whole avalanche of people saying "hell no! I aint gonna pay a cent for an inmigrant to learn my language! they should learn it before they come here!"lightleggy
well what else was I supposed to do? Everyone read the topic title and then commented. People actually think this is a thread about whether people should learn english or not. Thats not what this is at all.
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Every single government document ever made in this country has been written in English. If the immigrants cannot speak English then they should stay out until they can. And no there should not be any free classes for them. If they cannot afford to take one in their own country then how can they afford to even come here?MikeV54
see what I meant? this is how the world works! you speak about giving something for free service to someone else and everyone goes "oh yeah! go for it!!!" then you say "btw you will be paying for that" and then everyone will say "what? hell no! let them pay for their stuff!"
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Demographics change. It is funny watching the minority who is unable to adapt lash out at the growing majority in an attempt to subjugate them and maintain on top. Society is survival of the weakest. If you can't learn Spanish, move to Canada.
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] They arent foreigners if theyre legal citizens. and the point here is to see how much people actually want immigrants to speak english and no, it does not mean raising taxes, we could merely cut funding for other programs. We CAN raise taxes too, but I personally wouldnt mind either way

look friend, the point is that they were not born in the US so they will always be "foreigners" for regular people... and you could also "cut funds for something else" for healthcare...do you think that they would give a priority to do that for free english classes? no, free english classes wont occur, not before healthcare gets the reform

Yes we could cut funds from other areas to fund healthcare. we could also give free english classes.

but you dont do it, because america is terrified about the change...and cutting funds from which areas? military? homeland security? fireman? public services? whatever they do, there will be protests about it...and the protesters, who will most likely be part of the sector that got its fund cut off, wont be happy to heard that they get less money because they are going to give "free english classes for legal inmigrants" how would you feel if you were the president of NASA, then you get a call from obama saying "hey man whats up? listen we are gonna cut your funds because we need to finance english classes for inmigrants!"
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]btw since you just changed the name to "SHOULD WE PAY CLASSES FOR INMIGRANTS" you will now see a whole avalanche of people saying "hell no! I aint gonna pay a cent for an inmigrant to learn my language! they should learn it before they come here!"Atheists_Pwn
well what else was I supposed to do? Everyone read the topic title and then commented. People actually think this is a thread about whether people should learn english or not. Thats not what this is at all.

no, you did right, im just saying...since you cleared things up...you will now see the real reaction and opinion about this
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Seeing as it's a requirement in order to immigrate here, it sure would be nice if the legal immigrants learned English.Theokhoth
Yes, I seemed to recall learning that you must be fairly fluent in English in order to become a citizen of the United States, but I wasn't sure so didn't want to say anything :P I wish this was the case in the UK, but sadly not. Learning the national language of the country you choose to emigrate to is imperative in my mind. It's selfish, really, to think otherwise, and often detrimental to the society you are trying to immerse yourself in.
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I think learning to speak English should be a part of adapting to their new home country for immigrants. English is part of the culture of the United States and by living here you should be willing, at least a little bit, to adopt to the culture here rather than insisting that the culture adapt to you. So yes, I agree that immigrants should be required to learn English. By the same token, a lot of people come to the United States in search of a better life and part of helping them to adopt is to make it as easy as possible to do so. The U.S. can better harmonize itself by providing the education to new immigrants at minimal expense/financial hardship.
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[QUOTE="MikeV54"]Every single government document ever made in this country has been written in English. If the immigrants cannot speak English then they should stay out until they can. And no there should not be any free classes for them. If they cannot afford to take one in their own country then how can they afford to even come here?lightleggy
see what I meant? this is how the world works! you speak about giving something for free service to someone else and everyone goes "oh yeah! go for it!!!" then you say "btw you will be paying for that" and then everyone will say "what? hell no! let them pay for their stuff!"

We have bigger problems to worry about. We do not need to be paying for an immigrant go learn the language. If the US was not in such a mess of debt i would say yes lets do it, but we are already spending way too much money. We do not need to spend more on something as useless as this.
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="MikeV54"]Every single government document ever made in this country has been written in English. If the immigrants cannot speak English then they should stay out until they can. And no there should not be any free classes for them. If they cannot afford to take one in their own country then how can they afford to even come here?MikeV54
see what I meant? this is how the world works! you speak about giving something for free service to someone else and everyone goes "oh yeah! go for it!!!" then you say "btw you will be paying for that" and then everyone will say "what? hell no! let them pay for their stuff!"

We have bigger problems to worry about. We do not need to be paying for an immigrant go learn the language. If the US was not in such a mess of debt i would say yes lets do it, but we are already spending way too much money. We do not need to spend more on something as useless as this.

thanks for your sincere opinion, and for giving a perfect example of what im trying to say here
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#46 MikeV54
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btw since you just changed the name to "SHOULD WE PAY CLASSES FOR INMIGRANTS" you will now see a whole avalanche of people saying "hell no! I aint gonna pay a cent for an inmigrant to learn my language! they should learn it before they come here!"lightleggy
Yes you will see this, however this is not what i am saying. I am saying that we need to get out of debt first. After we do that, then we can HELP pay for their classes. At the present time we cannot and will not be paying for something like this.
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#47 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Stanley09"]If you come to america, you should learn english. I think there should be penalties for those who speak different languages in public places because for all we know it could translate into "Is you gun loaded" or something. Stanley09
you cant be serious right? nah...it was a joke...right? banning other languages in public places? what? is speaking other languages considered hazardous for health or what? who the hell would translate something that a foreigner says as "is your gun loaded"? I think you should learn what TOLERANCE means...banning other languages just because you cant understand them is not right at all. I nominate your post for the prize of "the most offensive post of the year"

i wasnt joking. They could be ploting something evil that others cant understand

okay this has got to be the most xenophobic/racist/ignorant comment I've ever seen on gamespot
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#48 imaps3fanboy
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[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

It's a hard language to learn but never-the-less, immigrants should still learn to speak it if they want to get ahead in the USA. But the bilingual classes are a joke and *insert minority* history month. We shouldn't be adopting their whatever culture or language they practice, it should be the opposite.

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dude are you fricking serious? english is one of the easiest languages to learn...you wanna know hard languages? spanish, german and mandarin...those are hard...this comes from a latin (I am latin) english has got to be the easiest language that some foreigner can learn as their second language, after portuguese and french...but seriously english is not hard at all! its just that in latinamerica, the english classes in elementary and high school suck! they teach you things that a toddler knows when you are in 10th grade...how do they expect to see progress in english like that?

Very false. Chinese, english, and a few other asian languages are the hardest. Spanish is one of the easiest
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#49 Ninja-Bear
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What harm does it do you if another person speaks spanish or polish or whatever it may be? So long as they can go about their life easy enough, why should they be forced to speak your language? :|
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#50 weezyfb
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I think it would be beneficial if Americans learned to speak more than just English.

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this sums thread