Should the minimum wage be lower?

I sure think so.  We have many people complaining about the minimum wage being too low to live on and/or support a family.  This is bs... Why the hell do you have a family if you make minimum wage?  Furthermore, jobs that pay minimum wage are entry level and do not deserve any substantial compensation.  Should someone who cleans toilets really make a good living?  Lowering the minimum wage will help people aspire to be better.   The minimum wage allows for lazy people to cruise... if we lower it they will either become more useful to the society or die... it is a win win situation.  

With what janitors have to put up with and the hazards they face, they get what they deserve. People are dirty really and having to go in and clean up after them at restaraunts, public buildings or even stores is not a job many would want to do if they could help it, so I have no problem with janitors making at least minimum wage. Now someone at McDonald's is a different story.

If everyone aspired to be "better", and no one worked minimum wage jobs, who exactly would clean the toilets and flip your burgers and stock the grocery shelves? megagene

If everyone aspired to be "better", and no one worked minimum wage jobs, who exactly would clean the toilets and flip your burgers and stock the grocery shelves? megagene

Minimum wage has negative economic effects but it has pretty much nothing to do with the nonsense that the TC posted. Minimum wages are optimal in uncompetitive labour markets and suboptimal in competitive ones, so applying a national minimum wage will have both good and bad effects on your economy.

With what janitors have to put up with and the hazards they face, they get what they deserve. People are dirty really and having to go in and clean up after them at restaraunts, public buildings or even stores is not a job many would want to do if they could help it, so I have no problem with janitors making at least minimum wage. Now someone at McDonald's is a different story.

WhiteKnight77

it would be better to encourage higher education and degrees in areas that can get you jobs I.E STEMS.

[QUOTE="megagene"]If everyone aspired to be "better", and no one worked minimum wage jobs, who exactly would clean the toilets and flip your burgers and stock the grocery shelves? awptical

Child labor is a hallmark of Third World countries.

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Get rid of it completely, its merely a road block towards true laissez-faire capitalism. HoolaHoopMan

that's a horrible idea. capitalism if it exists at all should be regulated by the state.

[QUOTE="awptical"][QUOTE="megagene"]If everyone aspired to be "better", and no one worked minimum wage jobs, who exactly would clean the toilets and flip your burgers and stock the grocery shelves? Stesilaus

Child labor is a hallmark of Third World countries.

:|

that's not child labour... at all.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Get rid of it completely, its merely a road block towards true laissez-faire capitalism. frannkzappa

that's a horrible idea. capitalism if it exists at all should be regulated by the state.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Get rid of it completely, its merely a road block towards true laissez-faire capitalism. HoolaHoopMan

that's a horrible idea. capitalism if it exists at all should be regulated by the state.

i have(most anyway)... it's the reason i think ayn rand is a complete idiot.

Uh, no. :?

Minimum wage should be at least a livable wage. If the minimum wage wasn't so low already, many people would be able to live comfortably. Yeah, they wouldn't be buying $500,000 houses and $50,000 vehicles, but that's not how most people live anyway. They wouldn't have to go to college and burden themselves with $50,000 in debt, which they'll be paying off for decades along with a myriad of other bills and then some. I'm not saying college is bad, but many people aren't "built" to be in college. I was tired of school after I graduated high school. It seems that the only option to live in the first world is to bust your ass and wallet through college and hope you find a suitable job that fits your major. Either that, or work two or three jobs just to make ends meet, but who the hell wants to do that for the rest of their life?  You can't make a living with 7-10 bucks an hour, so we need a more livable wage. 

Crap, I'm so afraid of the future sometimes.  

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[QUOTE="awptical"] Teens/College kidsfrannkzappa

Child labor is a hallmark of Third World countries.

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that's not child labour... at all.

"Teen" means anything between 13 and 19, while a person under 18 is generally considered a "child".

How could it not constitute child labor to put a 13-year-old to work cleaning toilets?

"Teen" means anything between 13 and 19, while a person under 18 is generally considered a "child".

How could it not constitute child labor to put a 13-year-old to work cleaning toilets?

Stesilaus

Many states allow 15-year olds to work, up to part-time, at certain locations. Im rather certain that his "teen" statement was implying 15+ and in the limited fashion that currently exists.

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[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

Child labor is a hallmark of Third World countries.

:|

Stesilaus

that's not child labour... at all.

"Teen" means anything between 13 and 19, while a person under 18 is generally considered a "child".

How could it not constitute child labor to put a 13-year-old to work cleaning toilets?

it was obvious he meant teens of working age... but your slow, so i'm not surprised.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

that's not child labour... at all.

frannkzappa

"Teen" means anything between 13 and 19, while a person under 18 is generally considered a "child".

How could it not constitute child labor to put a 13-year-old to work cleaning toilets?

it was obvious he meant teens of working age... but your slow, so i'm not surprised.

It's "you're", not "your".

Only slow people struggle to make the distinction. :P

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[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

"Teen" means anything between 13 and 19, while a person under 18 is generally considered a "child".

How could it not constitute child labor to put a 13-year-old to work cleaning toilets?

Stesilaus

it was obvious he meant teens of working age... but your slow, so i'm not surprised.

It's "you're", not "your".

Only slow people struggle to make the distinction. :P

in a world where typos are more indicative of intelligence than misinterpretation of basic concepts.

you could start a movie like that...

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

it was obvious he meant teens of working age... but your slow, so i'm not surprised.

frannkzappa

It's "you're", not "your".

Only slow people struggle to make the distinction. :P

in a world where typos are more indicative of intelligence than misinterpretation of basic concepts.

you could start a movie like that...

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

it was obvious he meant teens of working age... but your slow, so i'm not surprised.

frannkzappa

It's "you're", not "your".

Only slow people struggle to make the distinction. :P

in a world where typos are more indicative of intelligence than misinterpretation of basic concepts.

you could start a movie like that...

There was no misinterpretation of basic concepts because "teens of working age" can be children.

By definition, a 15-year-old is a "child".

Therefore a 15-year-old who cleans toilets is providing "child labor", whether or not he or she is "of working age".

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[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

It's "you're", not "your".

Only slow people struggle to make the distinction. :P

Stesilaus

in a world where typos are more indicative of intelligence than misinterpretation of basic concepts.

you could start a movie like that...

There was no misinterpretation of basic concepts because "teens of working age" can be children.

By definition, a 15-year-old is a "child".

Therefore a 15-year-old who cleans toilets is providing "child labor", whether or not he or she is "of working age".

because context doesn't exist does it?

Uh, no. :?

Minimum wage should be at least a livable wage. If the minimum wage wasn't so low already, many people would be able to live comfortably. Yeah, they wouldn't be buying $500,000 houses and $50,000 vehicles, but that's not how most people live anyway. They wouldn't have to go to college and burden themselves with $50,000 in debt, which they'll be paying off for decades along with a myriad of other bills and then some. I'm not saying college is bad, but many people aren't "built" to be in college. I was tired of school after I graduated high school. It seems that the only option to live in the first world is to bust your ass and wallet through college and hope you find a suitable job that fits your major. Either that, or work two or three jobs just to make ends meet, but who the hell wants to do that for the rest of their life?  You can't make a living with 7-10 bucks an hour, so we need a more livable wage. 

Crap, I'm so afraid of the future sometimes.  

gamerguru100

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

in a world where typos are more indicative of intelligence than misinterpretation of basic concepts.

you could start a movie like that...

frannkzappa

There was no misinterpretation of basic concepts because "teens of working age" can be children.

By definition, a 15-year-old is a "child".

Therefore a 15-year-old who cleans toilets is providing "child labor", whether or not he or she is "of working age".

because context doesn't exist does it?

The only context in which there is no contradiction is one in which the rules of first order logic don't apply.

It should be lowered because now it is high enough for someone to work an entry-level, low end job, and still get by pretty well, making nearly $250 bucks/week. And at places such as McDonald's, where they seem to not have a care in the world whether they get someone's order correct or not, it is ridiculous. I think they should have higher standards if they want higher "minimum" wage. And don't get me started on waiters/waitresses. Most make less than minimum wage! It is not fair at all.Exiled_Badger

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

Uh, no. :?

Minimum wage should be at least a livable wage. If the minimum wage wasn't so low already, many people would be able to live comfortably. Yeah, they wouldn't be buying $500,000 houses and $50,000 vehicles, but that's not how most people live anyway. They wouldn't have to go to college and burden themselves with $50,000 in debt, which they'll be paying off for decades along with a myriad of other bills and then some. I'm not saying college is bad, but many people aren't "built" to be in college. I was tired of school after I graduated high school. It seems that the only option to live in the first world is to bust your ass and wallet through college and hope you find a suitable job that fits your major. Either that, or work two or three jobs just to make ends meet, but who the hell wants to do that for the rest of their life?  You can't make a living with 7-10 bucks an hour, so we need a more livable wage. 

Crap, I'm so afraid of the future sometimes.  

Sakura01

It should be lowered because now it is high enough for someone to work an entry-level, low end job, and still get by pretty well, making nearly $250 bucks/week. And at places such as McDonald's, where they seem to not have a care in the world whether they get someone's order correct or not, it is ridiculous. I think they should have higher standards if they want higher "minimum" wage. And don't get me started on waiters/waitresses. Most make less than minimum wage! It is not fair at all.Exiled_Badger

[QUOTE="Sakura01"]

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

Uh, no. :?

Minimum wage should be at least a livable wage. If the minimum wage wasn't so low already, many people would be able to live comfortably. Yeah, they wouldn't be buying $500,000 houses and $50,000 vehicles, but that's not how most people live anyway. They wouldn't have to go to college and burden themselves with $50,000 in debt, which they'll be paying off for decades along with a myriad of other bills and then some. I'm not saying college is bad, but many people aren't "built" to be in college. I was tired of school after I graduated high school. It seems that the only option to live in the first world is to bust your ass and wallet through college and hope you find a suitable job that fits your major. Either that, or work two or three jobs just to make ends meet, but who the hell wants to do that for the rest of their life?  You can't make a living with 7-10 bucks an hour, so we need a more livable wage. 

Crap, I'm so afraid of the future sometimes.  

Murderstyle75

Good idea. Why not reinstate slavery while we're at it?

Why would anyone want those jobs if they couldn't earn enough money to live off of them? We need people to serve our burgers, clean public washrooms, etc. because we clearly don't want to do it ourselves.harashawn

Ahhhh this isn't some fantasy world where everyone happens to get a great job and not make mistakes Bucked20

It should be way higher,

Minimum wage is a moronic policy promoted by people without even the slightest understanding of economics (liberals). At best it does nothing, and at worst it leads to unemployment, price hikes, and inflation.

Yeah! F*ck being able to survive off what you earn for 80 hours a week. Ace6301

If everyone aspired to be "better", and no one worked minimum wage jobs, who exactly would clean the toilets and flip your burgers and stock the grocery shelves? megagene

This is what people that advocate the sort of stupid things TC does cannot compreehend. Society NEEDS these jobs. Society NEEDS people to pick up the trash, clean toilets, etc. So why shouldn't they get a fair livable wage?

[QUOTE="megagene"]If everyone aspired to be "better", and no one worked minimum wage jobs, who exactly would clean the toilets and flip your burgers and stock the grocery shelves? nunovlopes

This is what people that advocate the sort of stupid things TC does cannot compreehend. Society NEEDS these jobs. Society NEEDS people to pick up the trash, clean toilets, etc. So why shouldn't they get a fair livable wage?

As an unskilled labourer you do not have much to offer him, and so he is not willing to offer much to you. If you go to school, have extensive work/research experience or some other kind of impressive qualifications and you apply for a job that actually requires specialized skills and knowledge, then you are in a position to bargain for a high salary/wage because you actually have something of value to offer to the employer. Yes, society needs janitors. That does not mean that an individual janitor is valuable to society, because he can be very easily replaced.

I sure think so.  We have many people complaining about the minimum wage being too low to live on and/or support a family.  This is bs... Why the hell do you have a family if you make minimum wage?  Furthermore, jobs that pay minimum wage are entry level and do not deserve any substantial compensation.  Should someone who cleans toilets really make a good living?  Lowering the minimum wage will help people aspire to be better.   The minimum wage allows for lazy people to cruise... if we lower it they will either become more useful to the society or die... it is a win win situation.  

BenedictArnold7

Your attitude stinks and i hope that one day you'll be in a position where you will appreciate the minimum wage you would take away from hard working people that alot of the time cant get a better paying job because of the economic climate of things so take lower paid jobs rather than live off welfare.

One day you will prob have kids and i hope you find out how difficult it can be for some folk in the world through no fault of their own.

Elitist pricks like yourself make me mad:evil::evil:

[QUOTE="BenedictArnold7"]

I sure think so.  We have many people complaining about the minimum wage being too low to live on and/or support a family.  This is bs... Why the hell do you have a family if you make minimum wage?  Furthermore, jobs that pay minimum wage are entry level and do not deserve any substantial compensation.  Should someone who cleans toilets really make a good living?  Lowering the minimum wage will help people aspire to be better.   The minimum wage allows for lazy people to cruise... if we lower it they will either become more useful to the society or die... it is a win win situation.  

l34052

Your attitude stinks and i hope that one day you'll be in a position where you will appreciate the minimum wage you would take away from hard working people that alot of the time cant get a better paying job because of the economic climate of things so take lower paid jobs rather than live off welfare.

One day you will prob have kids and i hope you find out how difficult it can be for some folk in the world through no fault of their own.

Elitist pricks like yourself make me mad:evil::evil: