Should the minimum wage be lower?
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why exactly should we work hard though? why can't we live just to enjoy life?
Top Five Regrets People Have on Their Deathbed
- I wish I'd had the courage to live life true to myself, not the life others exspected of me.
- I wish I didn't work so hard.
- I wish I had to courage to express my feelings.
- I wish I had stayed in touch with my friends.
- I wish I had let myself be happier.
It doesn't matter much either way. Changing the bottom rung on the ladder changes nothing as all other rungs change in accordance. Adjustments to min wage always occur after the mean average of bottom rung pay already reaches that thresold in the free market. And product prices adjust to demand based on cash flow of the consuming market.
If you raise min wage significantly above the current market you just create inflation and vice versa. Or you substitute a change in wages with a change in gov't safety net spending.
It is largely a meaningless and pointless concept because at the public policy level we treat it as a lagging indicator and generally prefer not to change it until the market is pretty much ready to and is doing so already. Other than that it is just a politics speaking point.
SUD123456
This man knows his sh!t.
Since wages in the U.S. have been stagnant since the Reagan administration, if your theory of low wages were true then today we wouldn't have a 1% we would have at least a 50%.I sure think so. We have many people complaining about the minimum wage being too low to live on and/or support a family. This is bs... Why the hell do you have a family if you make minimum wage? Furthermore, jobs that pay minimum wage are entry level and do not deserve any substantial compensation. Should someone who cleans toilets really make a good living? Lowering the minimum wage will help people aspire to be better. The minimum wage allows for lazy people to cruise... if we lower it they will either become more useful to the society or die... it is a win win situation.
BenedictArnold7
Fvck no.
[QUOTE="one_plum"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Trades still require some initial training, and usually a high school diploma. The number of drop-outs is absolutely nuts.Nibroc420
I recognize the importance of personal responsibility, but if the dropout rate is so high, is there something more than an individual problem? or is it also a social problem that needs to be scrutinized?
It's a societal problem which results in people not accepting personal responsibility. I keep hearing statistics like "The average college student has an additional $10,000 in debt, on-top of their student loan debt" "The average American is has over $20,000 in credit card debt" Why do people not pay their bills, yet have nice cars? Because they want to look rich, they want those lululemons and "Beats by DR.Dre" for the social status of having "that cool new thing" Yet they cannot afford it without credit. It's not everyone obviously, but there's a huge percentage of people who're more worried about wearing Nike's over Walmart shoes, than they are about their financial situation.
Based on the info i can find the average amerian HOUSEHOLD has $7000 in credit card debt. And to be honest, between me and my girlfriend we probably have a household credit card balance of $2000 at any given time, but we pay it off completely at the end of every month we dont carry a balance or pay any finance charges and regularly contribute to our 401ks and ROTH IRAs. People use credit cards in place of cash these days. People with higher incomes and families will have higher amounts. These stats are nothing outrageous and natural as people substitute credit for cash as it makes transactions easier, and makes for easier budgeting to have an itemized list of expenditures at the end of the month.
Additionally its incredibly difficult for poor people and low income workers to get any sizeable credit limit, they are even lucky if they can get credit in the first place. Minimum wage workers arent the ones responsible for those stats. You have an incredibly warped world view, poor people are not driving around in ferraris. Im curious what you honestly believe this "huge percentage" is and if you have any statistics to support this belief of yours that defies logic and reasoning?
Here is a fun experiment, drive through a high poverty area and just observe your surroundings. Whenever i drive through "the hood" all i see are a bunch of old beatup cars and people wearing ratty clothes.... the kind of things normal people would expect poor people to be wearing/driving, because you know... they are poor.
Might be time to take a trip outside your bubble and learn how the world actually works.
Yet when they lose the cushy job, they refuse to give up their lifestyle, and complain because "At minimum wage i cant afford 2 leases, a nice house, and 6 children"Nibroc420
You are generalizng too much in addressing that point. Some people might be like that others may not. Some might have problems with financing their basic needs even after they've made all (most of) the necessary cuts.
If they were hard working, they would have learned a skill. It's like claiming to be an excellent student, who gets bad grades and thus has no future because of it. It's an oxymoron.
Not necessarilly. Being able to learn (skills and whatnot) requires different abilities than being able to extensively (hardworking) perform some already learnt activity. Especially if the new skill would be more difficult / demanding in some ways. Not to mention that in case of many people the ability to learn new skills deteriorates as they grow older.
As for the "excellent student with bad grades", I could see that happening to a degree as well. Unless you would call a student "excellent" only if he had good / great / excellent grades. Then however, consider the following. The grades not always reflect students' knowledge, intelligence, skills, amount of effort they put into studying,... During my studies I have seen plenty of examples of students with signifficantly less knowledge than others getting great grades (e.g. because they luckily got the easiest assignments, nicest examiners, cheated,... while some others who were regarded among students as very knowledgable received "bad" grades (e.g. because they got signifficantly more strict and demanding examiners, harder assignments, did not cheat...).
People die every day, and a person's worth is as people see it.
I agree with that. However, that does not necessarily conflict with what whipassmt said (person's worth is not measured by their "usefulness" to society). Person's worth (in terms of being willing to help said person) to other people is as those people see it, but the way they see it may or may not be dependant on how useful those people consider said person (e.g. various social rograms, charity,...).
Unless I misunderstood that point and you were actually arguing that it should be like that with which I would have probably disagreed.
You're a terrible terrible person
[QUOTE="SaintJimmmy"]i grew up poor with noone supporting me (AKA "Mommy and Daddy") when when I was younger I make a more than decent living these days It took a lot of hard work I didn't take the easy way out, I got an education but, during that time I also had to work an insane amount of hours working minimum wage jobs just to survive. leading me to thinking wow some of you people must have grown up spoiled brats seriously Your plan sounds good on paper but, it's a lot easier to say minimum wage should be lowered when you've never had to worry about where your next meal is coming from and keeping a roof over your head. I don't want to see the future generation of kids that aren't born into wealth having to struggle even harder to be successful when everything is against them. If you think up and coming young adults should suffer because, of the poor choices made by their parents If you think people deserve that you are sick and out of touch with reality.Enfamous_Mr_BHCTruth. Preach. There some people who are stuck in a bubble and out of touch with time on this forum. They believe everyone who goes to college should become an engineer. 52% of young people who went to college can't even get a job.
Not everyone here thinks that everyone who goes to college needs to become an engineer, many here thinks that not all young adults need to go to college at all. The fact that many college grads can get a job, even if not in their field shows that there is a glut of degreed individuals. The sad thing is, there is a plethora of jobs that cannot be filled due to lack of interest in such fields. People have an aversion to getting their hands dirty anymore. While not all those jobs pay greatly, they do need to be done.
I have been advocating trade school or even an apprenticship in trades to learn something that can offer a job that has the ability to pay more than a job with a degree may, especially with the degrees most people get. There are jobs that people have that can put 6 figures a year in a persons pocket (not right away mind you) without working 52 weeks a year. Still, most people erronously think that to have a good job requires a college degree. Newsflash, not all jobs that require a college degree will ever pay that much, ever.
Truth. Preach. There some people who are stuck in a bubble and out of touch with time on this forum. They believe everyone who goes to college should become an engineer. 52% of young people who went to college can't even get a job.[QUOTE="Enfamous_Mr_BHC"][QUOTE="SaintJimmmy"]i grew up poor with noone supporting me (AKA "Mommy and Daddy") when when I was younger I make a more than decent living these days It took a lot of hard work I didn't take the easy way out, I got an education but, during that time I also had to work an insane amount of hours working minimum wage jobs just to survive. leading me to thinking wow some of you people must have grown up spoiled brats seriously Your plan sounds good on paper but, it's a lot easier to say minimum wage should be lowered when you've never had to worry about where your next meal is coming from and keeping a roof over your head. I don't want to see the future generation of kids that aren't born into wealth having to struggle even harder to be successful when everything is against them. If you think up and coming young adults should suffer because, of the poor choices made by their parents If you think people deserve that you are sick and out of touch with reality.WhiteKnight77
Not everyone here thinks that everyone who goes to college needs to become an engineer, many here thinks that not all young adults need to go to college at all. The fact that many college grads can get a job, even if not in their field shows that there is a glut of degreed individuals. The sad thing is, there is a plethora of jobs that cannot be filled due to lack of interest in such fields. People have an aversion to getting their hands dirty anymore. While not all those jobs pay greatly, they do need to be done.
I have been advocating trade school or even an apprenticship in trades to learn something that can offer a job that has the ability to pay more than a job with a degree may, especially with the degrees most people get. There are jobs that people have that can put 6 figures a year in a persons pocket (not right away mind you) without working 52 weeks a year. Still, most people erronously think that to have a good job requires a college degree. Newsflash, not all jobs that require a college degree will ever pay that much, ever.
I hear you because if I can do it over again I would learn a trade and I am looking for apprenticeships left and right. I got a degree in advertising (business) which helped with behind the scenes TV work. I got a job at PBS however only 2 months into it I got laid off because of downsizing and moved back home. A ton of problems and issues later, I've been busting my ass at two minimum wage jobs to support my wife and child (one warehouse work.other special needs patients)Looking for a third one and it's tough, however depending on the market it's tough to get a foot in the door and it was hell for me to get those two jobs because I am "overqualified". Full of debt and stuff it was my choice to go to college however I do feel like American education needs reform from top to bottom but that is another issue. Shit happens and I understand folks who are against minimum wage but there's people out here like me who wouldn't mind a 1 or 2 dollar boost regardless of your perceptionsWhat a great mindest.
New rule: Those earning minimum wage do not have the right to marry or have children, ever.
No, I just dont want to hear them complaining when they do decide to have children, because they clue in that supporting a children and a family requires more income than a minimum wage job.What a great mindest.
New rule: Those earning minimum wage do not have the right to marry or have children, ever.
Vaultboy-101
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