Should they repeal the age limit for Drinking?

I know that other countries don't have a age limit for drinking and haven't really seen any evidence that say this is a bad thing. No age limit means that children learn to be responsible social drinkers as they grow up instead of having to learn all at once when their 21 and going overboard.

You can drink underage in your own house, I believe. It's up to the parents. It's just that other people can't drink at your house underage.Jandurin

I don't even think that is possible.

I've always thought it was pretty ridiculous that an 18 year old kid can go die in Iraq, but he can't walk into a bar and have a beer. Ryeferd

Well you can blame that on people who werent smart to understand that it is dangerous to get behind a wheel while trashed. Then end up killing someone....

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]You can drink underage in your own house, I believe. It's up to the parents. It's just that other people can't drink at your house underage.xscrapzx

I don't even think that is possible.

I've always thought it was pretty ridiculous that an 18 year old kid can go die in Iraq, but he can't walk into a bar and have a beer. Ryeferd

You should be able to drink when you are 16. Case closed.

It's perfectly fine as it is. Alcohol plus underdeveloped brain equals bad.Dracargen

I think there's someone trying to fight to lower the age to 18 here in Colorado. He has a crazy theory that if the kids can obtain alcohol at a younger age, they'll be more responsible with it... :?JustPlainLucas

THere is MUCH more to it that just lowering the age, but lowering the drinking age is the most important step.

What we really need to do is change the way we view alcohol as a society and educate kids on its effects.

Here we see alcohol as some terrible thing, yet in Italy they see it as more of a neutral drink and treat it like other drinks. Untill recently Italy had not had issues with alcohol.

In Italy they also HEAVILY looked down on getting drunk, unlike here where it is almost encouraged. This is the thing that is starting to change in Italy and now they are having alcohol problems....

Not only that, but a lower drinking age makes it easier for colleges to monitor the drinking as it will get out in the open instead of the kids always hiding it from the officials. Also, a good cause of underage drunk driving is kids trying to drive themselves home to keep their parents from knowing what they did and getting in trouble....

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]It's perfectly fine as it is. Alcohol plus underdeveloped brain equals bad.Jandurin

I've read somewhere that the brain stops developing at ~24 , i think I've read it in wikii .

In my country alcohol is banned, and I'm glad it is, since it does more harm than good.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]It's perfectly fine as it is. Alcohol plus underdeveloped brain equals bad.Jandurin

No, because you're still in your teen years. Your brain does not fully develop until the early twenties--if anything, the drinking limit should be raised to 25.

I think if they did repeal an age limit they'd have to raise the driving age to 18.Aradae2357

And why do you think that? Also, would that be a bad thing?

[QUOTE="Aradae2357"]I think if they did repeal an age limit they'd have to raise the driving age to 18.Dracargen

And why do you think that? Also, would that be a bad thing?

Mostly because I believe people of 16 wouldn't be responsible enough not to get behind a wheel drunk.

No, because you're still in your teen years. Your brain does not fully develop until the early twneties--if anything, the drinking limit should be raised to 25.Dracargen

I know that other countries don't have a age limit for drinking and haven't really seen any evidence that say this is a bad thing. No age limit means that children learn to be responsible social drinkers as they grow up instead of having to learn all at once when their 21 and going overboard.

Aradae2357

teens in the US are already drinking according to the stats. they are also statistically the worst drivers.

not a great combination.

I think if they did repeal an age limit they'd have to raise the driving age to 18.Aradae2357

I have to ask, WHY?
People don't like to think this, but responsibility does NOT neccessarily come with age. Most drunk drivers are males 25-35 years old.....

I don't have the link on me, but it was something we had in a presentation I just did in ****to lower the drinking age. One of my group members got that statistic from God knows where....

[QUOTE="Aradae2357"]

I know that other countries don't have a age limit for drinking and haven't really seen any evidence that say this is a bad thing. No age limit means that children learn to be responsible social drinkers as they grow up instead of having to learn all at once when their 21 and going overboard.

Ontain

teens in the US are already drinking according to the stats. they are also statistically the worst drivers.

not a great combination.

Please, how do those stats have ANYTHING to do with eachother?

Bad drivers are bad while SOBER man....

It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are either. If you drink and drive you are going to be driving terribly regardless of normal skill....

[QUOTE="Aradae2357"]I think if they did repeal an age limit they'd have to raise the driving age to 18.LostProphetFLCL

I have to ask, WHY?
People don't like to think this, but responsibility does NOT neccessarily come with age. Most drunk drivers are males 25-35 years old.....

I don't have the link on me, but it was something we had in a presentation I just did in ****to lower the drinking age. One of my group members got that statistic from God knows where....

actually:

Young men ages 18 to 20 (under the legal drinking age) reported driving while impaired more frequently than any other age group (Shults et al. 2002, Quinlan et al. 2005).

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm

Here we see alcohol as some terrible thing, yet in Italy they see it as more of a neutral drink and treat it like other drinks. Untill recently Italy had not had issues with alcohol.

In Italy they also HEAVILY looked down on getting drunk, unlike here where it is almost encouraged. This is the thing that is starting to change in Italy and now they are having alcohol problems....

LostProphetFLCL

Italy has been having alcohol problems as far back as 1999, and it wasn't until 2001 that a law ten years in the making was passed that actually acknowledged that there were, indeed, alcohol problems in Italy. In addition, I do not think we should consider 1-1 1/2 million alcoholics a good thing.

According to Eurispes, alcohol problems are of even greater concern in Italy than heroin. I don't think they are doing much better than we are.

Young men ages 18 to 20 (under the legal drinking age) reported driving while impaired more frequently than any other age group (Shults et al. 2002, Quinlan et al. 2005).Ontain

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Aradae2357"]

I know that other countries don't have a age limit for drinking and haven't really seen any evidence that say this is a bad thing. No age limit means that children learn to be responsible social drinkers as they grow up instead of having to learn all at once when their 21 and going overboard.

LostProphetFLCL

teens in the US are already drinking according to the stats. they are also statistically the worst drivers.

not a great combination.

Please, how do those stats have ANYTHING to do with eachother?

Bad drivers are bad while SOBER man....

It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are either. If you drink and drive you are going to be driving terribly regardless of normal skill....

giving the group that are the worst drivers and the ones that report the most cases of drunk driving legal access to alchohol seems like stupidity. maybe in other countries the stats are different but in the US with US teens. it's not a wise move.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"] No, because you're still in your teen years. Your brain does not fully develop until the early twneties--if anything, the drinking limit should be raised to 25.Jandurin

Now now, no need to throw out strawmen.

Drinking at a younger age is worse than at an older age. You surely cannot be disputing this. The younger someone is when they start drinking, the more likely they are to develop an addiction.

The younger someone is when they start drinking, the more likely they are to develop an addiction.Dracargen

I got drunk a very few times before I was 18, and the other kids at these parties were utterly ridiculous.

I honestly think that at 18, choice should be in the adult. Or, don't consider them an "adult" until 21.

I've always thought it was pretty ridiculous that an 18 year old kid can go die in Iraq, but he can't walk into a bar and have a beer. Ryeferd

Probably because Army training doesn't convince you to get behind a wheel intoxciated and run over some innocent people.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Aradae2357"]I think if they did repeal an age limit they'd have to raise the driving age to 18.Ontain

I have to ask, WHY?
People don't like to think this, but responsibility does NOT neccessarily come with age. Most drunk drivers are males 25-35 years old.....

I don't have the link on me, but it was something we had in a presentation I just did in ****to lower the drinking age. One of my group members got that statistic from God knows where....

actually:

Young men ages 18 to 20 (under the legal drinking age) reported driving while impaired more frequently than any other age group (Shults et al. 2002, Quinlan et al. 2005).

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm

I am curious though how they split these "groups" up.

If they splt them into that small of chunks of years then there is still a good chance that we are BOTH right. I don't know enough of either stat to figure out if only you are right or if what I said earlier is still right as well.

Anyways,as I mentioned earlier, the lower drinking age should very well lower the drunk driving incidents in the 18-20 category anyways as they can feel free to call for rides.

Personally, me and my friends only drink when we don't have to go anywhere anyways, and we even keep someone sober for a late-night Mcdonalds run that is 5 minutes away....

[QUOTE="Dracargen"] The younger someone is when they start drinking, the more likely they are to develop an addiction.Jandurin

I got drunk a very few times before I was 18, and the other kids at these parties were utterly ridiculous.

I honestly think that at 18, choice should be in the adult. Or, don't consider them an "adult" until 21.

The thing is, at 18, they have just passed the legal limit for being considered an adult. They are still teenaged adolescents with raging hormones. Not to mention the maturity factor, along with the already sky-high number of drunk driving accidents done by them.

They're an adult legally only. Biologically and mentally, they are still children. I'm 18, by the way.

They're an adult legally only. Biologically and mentally, they are still children. I'm 18, by the way.Dracargen

I disagree. 18 year olds may still be stupid and inexperienced, but physically, they've passed the threshold into adulthood.

Around 17-19.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Here we see alcohol as some terrible thing, yet in Italy they see it as more of a neutral drink and treat it like other drinks. Untill recently Italy had not had issues with alcohol.

In Italy they also HEAVILY looked down on getting drunk, unlike here where it is almost encouraged. This is the thing that is starting to change in Italy and now they are having alcohol problems....

Dracargen

Italy has been having alcohol problems as far back as 1999, and it wasn't until 2001 that a law ten years in the making was passed that actually acknowledged that there were, indeed, alcohol problems in Italy. In addition, I do not think we should consider 1-1 1/2 million alcoholics a good thing.

According to Eurispes, alcohol problems are of even greater concern in Italy than heroin. I don't think they are doing much better than we are.

Yeah but their position on alcohol is VERY long-standing as far as I have been able to find, so even then the policy is not to blame but rather a society shift going on.

If they are lucky it will be short-lived like our days here in the US where almost EVERYONE was into mind-altering drugs...

I seriously don't understand the whole demonizing alcohol idea as it is harmless when used RESPONSIBLY. I think all the demonization actually encourages bad behavior in regards to alcohol.....

Oh and Octain, read my original post as to why it there is reason to believe it would be a good thing in regards to drunk driving. If we didn't have such a lack of public transport at so many places here in the US my point would be null. But fact is I have lived in like 3-4 cities and there is almost a complete LACK of public transport....

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"] The younger someone is when they start drinking, the more likely they are to develop an addiction.Dracargen

I got drunk a very few times before I was 18, and the other kids at these parties were utterly ridiculous.

I honestly think that at 18, choice should be in the adult. Or, don't consider them an "adult" until 21.

The thing is, at 18, they have just passed the legal limit for being considered an adult. They are still teenaged adolescents with raging hormones. Not to mention the maturity factor, along with the already sky-high number of drunk driving accidents done by them.

They're an adult legally only. Biologically and mentally, they are still children. I'm 18, by the way.

Biologically you have a point but the mentallity thing is complete BS.

I know someone who is almost 46 years old who has the maturity level of a freaking 10 year old....

I on the other hand and more mature and concerned about politics and other "adult" things than alot of adults I have come across...

You can drink underage in your own house, I believe. It's up to the parents. It's just that other people can't drink at your house underage.Jandurin

Not in America. Unless you are trying to get your parents arrested.

Anyway, drinking isn't that big of a deal.

Biologically you have a point but the mentallity thing is complete BS.

I know someone who is almost 46 years old who has the maturity level of a freaking 10 year old....

I on the other hand and more mature and concerned about politics and other "adult" things than alot of adults I have come across...

LostProphetFLCL

The man with the mentality of a ten year old probably has a disorder.:|

You consider yourself more mature than most adults you know? I know you do. I do the same with myself. So does every other adolescent on Earth. One aspect of the mind is ego, where we consider ourselves somehow better than everyone else. Sadly, your own personal experiences (or in this case, opinions) are not reflective of the majority.

Anyways,as I mentioned earlier, the lower drinking age should very well lower the drunk driving incidents in the 18-20 category anyways as they can feel free to call for rides.

LostProphetFLCL

I find that wildly optimistic of you. if ppl in the 25-35 range that you mentioned aren't doing that enough why would I expect the younger ones to be that mature and level headed while drunk?

You consider yourself more mature than most adults you know? I know you do. I do the same with myself.Dracargen

Not in America. Unless you are trying to get your parents arrested.muthsera666

I'm sure I read somewhere something.

Maybe my parents were just different. :P

I know that other countries don't have a age limit for drinking and haven't really seen any evidence that say this is a bad thing. No age limit means that children learn to be responsible social drinkers as they grow up instead of having to learn all at once when their 21 and going overboard.

Aradae2357

I love living in Canada, here its 19 in every province except one. In the other province its 18... ohhh ya 8)

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]You consider yourself more mature than most adults you know? I know you do. I do the same with myself.Jandurin

Thanks for leaving out hte whole "So does every adolescent on Earth" part. :evil:

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]You consider yourself more mature than most adults you know? I know you do. I do the same with myself.Dracargen

Thanks for leaving out hte whole "So does every adolescent on Earth" part. :evil:

They consider themselves more mature because they have everything handed to them on a platter. Graduate from high school, move out on your own and support yourself, then you're mature. Until that enjoy the silver platter that comes with living at home and being taken care of by your "immature" parents.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]You consider yourself more mature than most adults you know? I know you do. I do the same with myself.Dracargen

Thanks for leaving out hte whole "So does every adolescent on Earth" part. :evil:

:lol::lol:

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]You consider yourself more mature than most adults you know? I know you do. I do the same with myself.Nwordjohn

Thanks for leaving out hte whole "So does every adolescent on Earth" part. :evil:

They consider themselves more mature because they have everything handed to them on a platter. Graduate from high school, move out on your own and support yourself, then you're mature. Until that enjoy the silver platter that comes with living at home and being taken care of by your "immature" parents.

*yawn*

Well, I've got one out of three so far. I never really called my parents immature. . . .but you need to. . . . .what's the phrase I'm thinking of? Grow up? Yeah, that sounds about right. Go with that.;)