Should we all strive to become vegetarians/vegans?

Using substitutes for animals is nothing new, like I said.

The very same thing is happening in the film industry right now

Life of Pi used cgi animals

Planet of the apes, same thing

The hobbit did not, and look what happened.

Planet will still be here after you and I are gone. Lets release all those farm chickens into the wild and see how well they do in the meantime.

noDroidPhysX

How come hunting never gets brought up in these conversations?

How come hunting never gets brought up in these conversations?

StrifeDelivery

I gave this a lot of thought.....

how about....

[spoiler] no [/spoiler]

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How come hunting never gets brought up in these conversations?

dave123321

Really? Not to say I've seen every one of these topics, but it just seems that it isn't brought up much when it comes to dealing with the "we must stop eating meat because of slaughterhouse conditions".

Ew. No.

The second science can make a plant taste like a bloody rare sirloin steak I'll consider it. Until then, no.

No.

Evolution has given us the ability to cast off the bloody chains of nature and to be better animals. We have the power to be kind to one another and I believe that this should apply to animals as well.

We've come to the point to where practically nobody has to eat meat to survive. Modern medicine and agricultural technologies have advanced to the point where we can all live as vegetarians/vegans and live healthier lives because of it.

And since we have this power, why shouldn't we?

I hear the same old excuses everytime:

"Meat tastes good"

- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. Try a hamburger without the salt and all that other junk.

"Animals eat other animals"

Some animals also eat their young. Should we eat our young as well? Obviously we are capable of being better than other animals.

But that's just my two cents.

MetalDogGear

Hahahaha NO. F*ck off.

Using substitutes for animals is nothing new, like I said.

The very same thing is happening in the film industry right now

Life of Pi used cgi animals

Planet of the apes, same thing

The hobbit did not, and look what happened.

MetalDogGear

I know, goblins and wargs are becoming endangered now.

The answer is yes, but the majority of people will never do so. Its actually a shame most people are so against being a vegetarian or vegan for there are so many advantages, most being health-related. I am sure most of the ones here saying "frak-off" are younger, healthy dudes, so they don't see any benefit in giving up their burgers or bacon, but when you get older and start facing some serious diseases like cancer or diabetes or just general unhealthiness, then a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle starts making more sense and can actually work for you. Granted, its not easy, and not as enjoyable but if you make the transition slowly and start by eating less and less processed foods you will start to find eating healthy is much more enjoyable. Here are some real facts about why being a vegetarian or vegan is better for health reasons:

http://nutritionfacts.org/blog/

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Using substitutes for animals is nothing new, like I said.

The very same thing is happening in the film industry right now

Life of Pi used cgi animals

Planet of the apes, same thing

The hobbit did not, and look what happened.

Hatiko

I know, goblins and wargs are becoming endangered now.

The answer is yes, but the majority of people will never do so. Its actually a shame most people are so against being a vegetarian or vegan for there are so many advantages, most being health-related. I am sure most of the ones here saying "frak-off" are younger, healthy dudes, so they don't see any benefit in giving up their burgers or bacon, but when you get older and start facing some serious diseases like cancer or diabetes or just general unhealthiness, then a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle starts making more sense and can actually work for you. Granted, its not easy, and not as enjoyable but if you make the transition slowly and start by eating less and less processed foods you will start to find eating healthy is much more enjoyable. Here are some real facts about why being a vegetarian or vegan is better for health reasons:

http://nutritionfacts.org/blog/

wigginender

Meat isn't only burgers and bacon. Herp derp.

No. Unless you want to you dont have to.

No.

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The answer is yes, but the majority of people will never do so. Its actually a shame most people are so against being a vegetarian or vegan for there are so many advantages, most being health-related. I am sure most of the ones here saying "frak-off" are younger, healthy dudes, so they don't see any benefit in giving up their burgers or bacon, but when you get older and start facing some serious diseases like cancer or diabetes or just general unhealthiness, then a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle starts making more sense and can actually work for you. Granted, its not easy, and not as enjoyable but if you make the transition slowly and start by eating less and less processed foods you will start to find eating healthy is much more enjoyable. Here are some real facts about why being a vegetarian or vegan is better for health reasons:

http://nutritionfacts.org/blog/

N30F3N1X

Meat isn't only burgers and bacon. Herp derp.

"Meat tastes good"

- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. Try a hamburger without the salt and all that other junk.MetalDogGear

Not convinced that it's healthy.
How long did it take us to find out that smoking is not healthy?
How long will it take us to know whether the rapid spread of cellphones/wireless signals are OK? It may sound crazy but they still haven't done research about that aside from the effects of change of temperature.
I would have to balance out all the things that we think we need and hope that it's not too little or too much. That is a lot of work and it tastes rilly bad.

No.

I don't know if we should all become vegetarian, but I do think that we need to eat far less meat and stop treating animals like garbage in all of those nearly unregulated slaughterhouses and factory farms.ghoklebutter

I agree with this statement. At least make slaughter conditions humane.

I hear the same old excuses everytime:

"Meat tastes good"

- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. Try a hamburger without the salt and all that other junk.

MetalDogGear

Try eating anything without seasoning it. Meat sans salt/pepper tastes far better than a lot of things, especially roasted over a fire. Tofu without salt? Oh man, so delicious! Plain beans? Mmm.DJ_Lae

Yes. You should all strive to be like me, because I'm better than you. :3Baconbits2004

It's not just the seasoning that makes meat taste good.

It's not just the seasoning that makes meat taste good.

sonicare

How come hunting never gets brought up in these conversations?StrifeDelivery

"Meat tastes good" - Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. Try a hamburger without the salt and all that other junk.MetalDogGear

I think it's a very progressive idea that's ahead of our time.

And since we have this power, why shouldn't we?

I hear the same old excuses everytime:

"Meat tastes good"

- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. Try a hamburger without the salt and all that other junk.

"Animals eat other animals"

Some animals also eat their young. Should we eat our young as well? Obviously we are capable of being better than other animals.

But that's just my two cents.

MetalDogGear

Wrong. Meat tasted good. I've done exactly what you've said, and I throughly enjoyed it. I very rarely season meat because I like the raste so much.

That's terrible comparison. In cases of extreme stravation, yes, some animals may resort to cannibalism. But its not a regular oart of their diet.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]How come hunting never gets brought up in these conversations?Zeviander

My point was that one of the points brought up so far was that we should stop eating meat becauseof the inhumane slaughter house conditions. This is why I brought up the point of hunting, since that is definitely more humane than slaughter house conditions.

Oh please... of course not.

I'm not a "bad" animal just because I eat other animals, and I wont become a "better" one by not eating them.

What's the reasoning? Animal rights? I'm not for them. The only reason I sometimes might express eco-friendly sentiments is because -allergies aside- I enjoy nature and all it encompasses and wish to not damage it. That's as far as I would go, and yes, obviously my motives are anthropocentric: I, as a human being, enjoy nature and thus want to preserve it. Now as far as animal cruelty goes (in any form) I'm not for it either but that doesnt mean my stance derives from a general stance on animal rights. Its just my gut feeling. Having an aversion towards specific ways of treating animals doesnt mean animals have rights or that I grant them such rights. Two totally different things.

Idunno I usualy eat meat twice a week (fish twice a week, and 3 days veggies only) Mostly to train my cooking skills, and because too heavy food makes me kind of sick.

Tell you what, I feel completely fine with how I eat, and here is the funny part: What I eat is locally grown, and born. Yeah I see the cute lil piggy before it gets very dead.

So no, I have no plans of going vegeterian, As I am very unsure if the world can support vegetarians, the untold fields of grain used to produce bread alone, let alone the rest fills a lot of space, despite animals are more expensive, and pollute more.

But the space issue aperrently never exists when Vegetarians and vegans bring up thier points, I really have nothing against them, but we are not exactly talking local veggie gardens here people. And I still havent seen evidence that the space would be suficcient.

So cutting down on meat, all for it, better envioment for animals, always (but you vote for that with the wallet, main problem here is that most people have no idea how animals are treated and how the meat is processed. Would help if they did.

So would alot of vegetarians ofcourse, to see how many pesticides are used for veggeis, and how much it damages fresh water supplies.

So basicly most of the problems belong to how the things are made as a whole.