Should women have "the right" to end a pregnancy?

Anyone sitting here claiming that a fetus has a right to live. I want one of you who isclaiming this to tell me why a spider does not have that same right, or a cow even.

[QUOTE="connorisgreat93"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I agree with this. Videodogg

She shouldn't have to deal with having it in her for nine months if it wasn't even her choice.

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Anyone sitting here claiming that a fetus has a right to live. I want one of you who isclaiming this to tell me why a spider does not have that same right, or a cow even.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Anyone sitting here claiming that a fetus has a right to live. I want one of you who isclaiming this to tell me why a spider does not have that same right, or a cow even.

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Anyone sitting here claiming that a fetus has a right to live. I want one of you who isclaiming this to tell me why a spider does not have that same right, or a cow even.

racer8dan

Humans are animals.

Anyone sitting here claiming that a fetus has a right to live. I want one of you who isclaiming this to tell me why a spider does not have that same right, or a cow even.

Should women be forced to have a baby or should they have the right to kill it before it is born? Is abortion murder? Do you see any difference between life at conception or life after twenty four weeks of conception? Is there any difference to the fetus wether it was conceived from a rape or incest or as a accident from a drunk night out? I am all for womens rights, but when they are pregnent, its not just about them anymore. Unless a womans health is at stake, i dont believe abortion should be allowed. Where do you stand on the subject?

Videodogg

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Should women be forced to have a baby or should they have the right to kill it before it is born? Is abortion murder? Do you see any difference between life at conception or life after twenty four weeks of conception? Is there any difference to the fetus wether it was conceived from a rape or incest or as a accident from a drunk night out? I am all for womens rights, but when they are pregnent, its not just about them anymore. Unless a womans health is at stake, i dont believe abortion should be allowed. Where do you stand on the subject?

bsman00

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Should women be forced to have a baby or should they have the right to kill it before it is born? Is abortion murder? Do you see any difference between life at conception or life after twenty four weeks of conception? Is there any difference to the fetus wether it was conceived from a rape or incest or as a accident from a drunk night out? I am all for womens rights, but when they are pregnent, its not just about them anymore. Unless a womans health is at stake, i dont believe abortion should be allowed. Where do you stand on the subject?

racer8dan

No, but they can prevent someone from living inside it.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] That they were created for that Purpose. Doesn't mean it's the sole reason for creation. Although, I do believe it is.

Snipes_2

That is what he said:

We all know that sex is for procreation, above all else.

Clearly he was distinguishing that purpose as the most important. Little difference does it make. My point still stands. Whether he meant "sole" or "most important", he cant support it without resorting to religion.

You have a misconception: just because I believe evolution occurs doesnt mean I believe in it. That is that I consider it the force that should regulate how nature works and that we as humans cant interfere within that process.

Besides, like I told the other person, when you bring up evolution there is no "meant for". Evolution doesnt work with an end-goal.

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]

Should women be forced to have a baby or should they have the right to kill it before it is born? Is abortion murder? Do you see any difference between life at conception or life after twenty four weeks of conception? Is there any difference to the fetus wether it was conceived from a rape or incest or as a accident from a drunk night out? I am all for womens rights, but when they are pregnent, its not just about them anymore. Unless a womans health is at stake, i dont believe abortion should be allowed. Where do you stand on the subject?

racer8dan

The type of person that gives a damn.hartsickdiscipl

It's hard to tell when talking to theists, you never know if it is them talking or they are regurgitating church interpreted scripture.

Someone who gives a damn? I'd have to disagree, a self righteous egomaniac is a more accurate description. See the difference between pro-choice and pro-life is pro-choice allows for both sides to exist. Under pro-choice those who want abortions can have them; and those who think it is a sin against God can reject them. Pro-life people are those arrogant enough to think they have higher authority over a women's body than the women does.

With religion they are of course going to be against it; because they want more people forcefully raised under their faith.

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"]Abortion is horrible. I'm absolutely against it....taking lives (yes it is takin a life) is not our job - if you dont want a baby then don't have sex or at least use proper protection.Snipes_2

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]The type of person that gives a damn.ADF_Game

It's hard to tell when talking to theists, you never know if it is them talking or they are regurgitating church interpreted scripture.

Someone who gives a damn? I'd have to disagree, a self righteous egomaniac is a more accurate description. See the difference between pro-choice and pro-life is pro-choice allows for both sides to exist. Under pro-choice those who want abortions can have them; and those who think it is a sin against God can reject them. Pro-life people are those arrogant enough to think they have higher authority over a women's body than the women does.

With religion they are of course going to be against it; because they want more people forcefully raised under their faith.

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[QUOTE="bsman00"] Women have the right to do what they want with there body... bsman00

It's subjective. You can argue about it. There's no objective way to define a human, as far as I know.

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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] So the parents can create but they can't destroy? I mean I know that sounds harsh, but if you have the power to create, do you not have the power to do the opposite?xscrapzx

You're right, it does sound harsh. So harsh that it can't be right. Oh hell.. why not? All parents should be able to kill their offspring, that sounds about right.. I think everyone will be ok with that. Unreal.

I don't know of any faith that prohibits abortions - this is really a moral stance rather than a religious on, and both sides have plenty of religious and non-religious people alike. mattbbpl

Catholic church certainly made their opinion clear on the matter when they excommunicated a bunch of people for helping a "9 year old" repeat rape victim get a abortion. That she had been raped over and over again by her stepfather over years didn't seem to concern them, only that she got a abortion. They didn't even think she could survive giving birth to "twins" at that age, but the Catholic church didn't give a damn, they would rather she risk dying giving birth to the children of the man who raped her.

These people are evil to me, much more evil than any pro-life person may think of a pro-choice person.

The two camps really come down to those who view the fetus as a person and those who don't. You say, "Pro-life people are those arrogant enough to think they have higher authority over a women's body than the women does," but the other camp sees the fetus as a person and a living body as well. mattbbpl

Why is it the other camp seems to stop caring about this child the moment it is born? Why is it it's only when it is in the womb that they care about it? After its born pro-life concern regarding the condition and quality of life of that child seems to go out the window. I cannot take them seriously, not when they have clearly not thought their argument through and are too focused on the abortion issue itself to take anything else into account. Look at what's his name earlier, talking about how horrible abortion is in China. China is in that state because of overpopulation, which these people are encouraging.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I don't know of any faith that prohibits abortions - this is really a moral stance rather than a religious on, and both sides have plenty of religious and non-religious people alike. ADF_Game

Catholic church certainly made their opinion clear on the matter when they excommunicated a bunch of people for helping a "9 year old" repeat rape victim get a abortion. That she had been raped over and over again by her stepfather over years didn't seem to concern them, only that she got a abortion. They didn't even think she could survive giving birth to "twins" at that age, but the Catholic church didn't give a damn, they would rather she risk dying giving birth to the children of the man who raped her.

These people are evil to me, much more evil than any pro-life person may think of a pro-choice person.

The two camps really come down to those who view the fetus as a person and those who don't. You say, "Pro-life people are those arrogant enough to think they have higher authority over a women's body than the women does," but the other camp sees the fetus as a person and a living body as well. mattbbpl

Why is it the other camp seems to stop caring about this child the moment it is born? Why is it it's only when it is in the womb that they care about it? After its born pro-life concern regarding the condition and quality of life of that child seems to go out the window. I cannot take them seriously, not when they have clearly not thought their argument through and are too focused on the abortion issue itself to take anything else into account. Look at what's his name earlier, talking about how horrible abortion is in China. China is in that state because of overpopulation, which these people are encouraging.

I have major objections to the Catholic church. They certainly don't speak for the majority of religious people, the majority of Christians, or even the majority of Catholics.

I don't think anyone with a decent moral stance and in their right mind stops caring about children after they're born. I just don't think they view abortion (which in theirviewpoint is effectively killing a child)as an acceptable solution to the other problems.

I don't believe in abortions at all... I think the only case I would be okay with it is if the mother was in clear and obvious danger because of the pregnancy.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Um no.

That is what he said:

We all know that sex is for procreation, above all else.

Clearly he was distinguishing that purpose as the most important. Little difference does it make. My point still stands. Whether he meant "sole" or "most important", he cant support it without resorting to religion.

Teenaged

You have a misconception: just because I believe evolution occurs doesnt mean I believe in it. That is that I consider it the force that should regulate how nature works and that we as humans cant interfere within that process.

Besides, like I told the other person, when you bring up evolution there is no "meant for". Evolution doesnt work with an end-goal.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why would they be called Reproductive if that was not their purpose? Why would evolution create a seemingly useless part of the body. Snipes_2

You have a misconception: just because I believe evolution occurs doesnt mean I believe in it. That is that I consider it the force that should regulate how nature works and that we as humans cant interfere within that process.

Besides, like I told the other person, when you bring up evolution there is no "meant for". Evolution doesnt work with an end-goal.

Among other things they offer pleasure. And I ask again: why do you "place" child-bearing "above" pleasure?

That is up to you to prove. Merely the name of an object doesnt prove (it doesnt even indicate) what their most important role is.

And my portable music device is called an mp4 player, but no where have I heard that the most important role of them is to play mp4 videos. I have only used it for mp3 songs. Am I doing something wrong? Or perhaps like I said earlier, the name has nothing to do with the role said object is designated for.

There's a fine line between rape and consensual sex. Rape, can be traumatic for the mother and to carry the kid is a constant reminder for the full term of the horrific event. That being said, after the rape, she should have taken some sort of contraceptive immediately to deter the event of pregnancy. I say if she doesn't do this and allows the egg to be fertilized and the process to start, then why SHOULD she have the choice to terminate the life already growing? Granted, there is a point when there is "no life" in the stages, but at that point when it does reach the "life" stage and she hasn't done anything about it, then why give her the flipping choice rather to essentially kill it or not? She's had time to deal with it appropriately and yet still hasn't...so she shouldn't be given the right to do a dang thing about it. As if the first 12 weeks weren't enough? Put it up for adoption. Some other couple will love that child.

I vote yes for abortion providing theegg is before a certain age (I forget when they properly develop).

To all the people saying it's taking a life... so is eating chicken, or lamb or beef or seafood. Only difference is you're raising another life in captivity purely for the purpose of killing them for consumption.

I'd prefer a woman to have the option of an abortion rather than bring a child into a situation where they have a very low quality of life. Same goes for "pulling the plug" or severely handicapped babies (unable to move, eat, etc. without assistance).

Oh yeah, I thoroughly enjoy a beef burger too but I do feel a little guilty sometimes ;)

There's a fine line between rape and consensual sex. Rape, can be traumatic for the mother and to carry the kid is a constant reminder for the full term of the horrific event. That being said, after the rape, she should have taken some sort of contraceptive immediately to deter the event of pregnancy. I say if she doesn't do this and allows the egg to be fertilized and the process to start, then why SHOULD she have the choice to terminate the life already growing? Granted, there is a point when there is "no life" in the stages, but at that point when it does reach the "life" stage and she hasn't done anything about it, then why give her the flipping choice rather to essentially kill it or not? She's had time to deal with it appropriately and yet still hasn't...so she shouldn't be given the right to do a dang thing about it. As if the first 12 weeks weren't enough? Put it up for adoption. Some other couple will love that child.

3eyedrazorback

[QUOTE="3eyedrazorback"]

There's a fine line between rape and consensual sex. Rape, can be traumatic for the mother and to carry the kid is a constant reminder for the full term of the horrific event. That being said, after the rape, she should have taken some sort of contraceptive immediately to deter the event of pregnancy. I say if she doesn't do this and allows the egg to be fertilized and the process to start, then why SHOULD she have the choice to terminate the life already growing? Granted, there is a point when there is "no life" in the stages, but at that point when it does reach the "life" stage and she hasn't done anything about it, then why give her the flipping choice rather to essentially kill it or not? She's had time to deal with it appropriately and yet still hasn't...so she shouldn't be given the right to do a dang thing about it. As if the first 12 weeks weren't enough? Put it up for adoption. Some other couple will love that child.

gamebreakerz__

Personally, I don't understand why a woman should be forbidden from ridding their body of a parasite.

I have also yet to hear a good solution to the problems that would arise from a massive influxuation of unwanted children, or who would pay for them all, or how people intend to stop women from getting abortions via doing it themselves or finding someone unqualified to do it. Saying "IT'S ILLEGAL!" isn't going to stop the vast majority.

Good intentions are all well and good, but if that is all you have, it isn't a very feasible alternative.

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="3eyedrazorback"]

There's a fine line between rape and consensual sex. Rape, can be traumatic for the mother and to carry the kid is a constant reminder for the full term of the horrific event. That being said, after the rape, she should have taken some sort of contraceptive immediately to deter the event of pregnancy. I say if she doesn't do this and allows the egg to be fertilized and the process to start, then why SHOULD she have the choice to terminate the life already growing? Granted, there is a point when there is "no life" in the stages, but at that point when it does reach the "life" stage and she hasn't done anything about it, then why give her the flipping choice rather to essentially kill it or not? She's had time to deal with it appropriately and yet still hasn't...so she shouldn't be given the right to do a dang thing about it. As if the first 12 weeks weren't enough? Put it up for adoption. Some other couple will love that child.

I could only support abortion if men were absolved of parental duties to children they do not want.LongZhiZi

I think this is a great idea, though I support abortion regardless.

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] Definitions? I don't need a definition to describe reality. Its about my perception. The fact that I and so many other sane sentient humans can perceive a fetus as an alive being is justification enough to see that it does exist and that ending its existence is indeed killing it. Whether or not it constitutes as murder I wont answer, but it is at the very least killing/the taking of life and I'm against that 100%.Vandalvideo

Exactly. A mass perception of something does not make it real. Take a look at religion. There are many major religions that have large followings believing their god/gods are real.....they can't all be right.

Going back to my earlier statement regarding killing animals, are you a vegan jeremiah06? Do you eat eggs? Drink milk or eat steak? It's not a dig but a serious question based on the last line of your message.

Should women be forced to have a baby or should they have the right to kill it before it is born? Is abortion murder? Do you see any difference between life at conception or life after twenty four weeks of conception? Is there any difference to the fetus wether it was conceived from a rape or incest or as a accident from a drunk night out? I am all for womens rights, but when they are pregnent, its not just about them anymore. Unless a womans health is at stake, i dont believe abortion should be allowed. Where do you stand on the subject?

Videodogg

This topic is still going? -_-ghoklebutter

Apparently. I cannot believe how long it has lasted.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]This topic is still going? -_-coolbeans90

Apparently. I cannot believe how long it has lasted.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]This topic is still going? -_-Chickan_117

Apparently. I cannot believe how long it has lasted.

What about teh Stork?

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Apparently. I cannot believe how long it has lasted.

SgtKevali

What about teh Stork?

That's just a myth like Jesus or female orgasms.

Chickan_117

Hehe, got a laugh out of this.