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#1 peter1191
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How was the earth created? How was the sun created? How was the rocks and planets and stars that make up the universe, were did they begin? If you go back far enough, you'll realize that something, someone, must have created the first rock, that first star, whatever it might be. There has to be a beginning. Look at the big picture: how did the universe begin?

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#2 Mumbles527
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The big bang theory pretty much answers every question you've got there. And it actually makes sense, compared to the idea that God created everything. Where did God come from, while you're at it, by the way?
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#4 hair001
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We don't know. How about acepting this. Existance is likely be an infinate, for any creation would have reuired a prior existance, meaning the so called creation wasn't actualy a creation, but merly a change. No other infinates can exist with existance being one
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#5 SkinBlues
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Then what created God? And what created Gods creator and so on..

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#6 NaiKoN9293
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the first rock was created shortly after the big bang. If there has been other big bangs before that we truly cannot know. But that's how it happened
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#7 zepman71
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I could ask Christians the same thing. Personally I believe in the Big Bang, but we'll never really know
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#8 jjj13
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Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...
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Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...jjj13

What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....

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How was the earth created? How was the sun created? How was the rocks and planets and stars that make up the universe, were did they begin? If you go back far enough, you'll realize that something, someone, must have created the first rock, that first star, whatever it might be. There has to be a beginning. Look at the big picture: how did the universe begin?

peter1191

Stephen Hawking, a man with an immeasurable IQ, theorized that there was a piece of matter so small and so dense that it couldnt contain itself and thus exploded into the universe.

or

A supreme omniscient and omnipresent being made everything appear out of nothingness.

And if you believe that god created the world and the universe please tell me, where did he get the materials to do this?

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#11 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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I don't think the human mind can fully understand how the unvierse began....if it ever did.
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The big bang created all of the known elements in the universe and everything else just happened on its own.

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#13 zepman71
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The big band created all of the known elements in the universe and everything else just happened on its own.

luke1889

What is this band you speak of? I must hear them :P sorry I had too :oops:

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Someone taking a high and mioghty stance on religion in OT? Well I never.
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#15 ajc_176
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I tend to lean towards the big bang theory because it seems to make more sense than "it just appeared one day"

But i couldn't care less to be honest..Im here..your here.. why start arguments over stuff?


Does is REALLY matter?

Go enjoy yourself please :)
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#16 BEAN_LARD_MULCH
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The big bang theory pretty much answers every question you've got there. And it actually makes sense, compared to the idea that God created everything. Where did God come from, while you're at it, by the way?Mumbles527

really? If the big bang theory would make any sense to me, then I would beleive that God caused it. Where did God come from? Who knows, I cannot find a beginning of god in the bible, therefore I just come to the conclusion that God was there from the start.
However I am not a christian, I honestly cannot beleive in the faith. I am agnostic, not atheist though, I can't accept that concept.
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#17 BEAN_LARD_MULCH
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I tend to lean towards the big bang theory because it seems to make more sense than "it just appeared one day"

But i couldn't care less to be honest..Im here..your here.. why start arguments over stuff?


Does is REALLY matter?

Go enjoy yourself please :)ajc_176

But the big bang theory is the exact same as "It just appeared one day".....
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#18 luke1889
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[QUOTE="luke1889"]

The big band created all of the known elements in the universe and everything else just happened on its own.

zepman71

What is this band you speak of? I must hear them :P sorry I had too :oops:

:cry: I'm not sure I know of this band myself. :P

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Someone taking a high and mioghty stance on religion in OT? Well I never.Robbie_IV
This place is taking a turn for the worse, I'd say.
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#20 ajc_176
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[QUOTE="ajc_176"]
I couldn't care less to be honest..Im here..your here.. why start arguments over stuff?


Does is REALLY matter?

Go enjoy yourself please :)BEAN_LARD_MULCH

But the big bang theory is the exact same as "It just appeared one day".....




Fixed it..
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The big bang's a load of crock to, it's not a fact it's a theory. And a poor one at it, it just reeks of creationism with it's "and there was a beginning"...
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The big bang's a load of crock to, it's not a fact it's a theory. And a poor one at it, it just reeks of creationism with it's "and there was a beginning"...Kev_Boy

Why would one of the most religious nations in the western world teach the big bang theory if it was a load of crock?

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The Big Bang. Our Earth and Sun were created just as any other regular solar system was.
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The big bang's a load of crock to, it's not a fact it's a theory. And a poor one at it, it just reeks of creationism with it's "and there was a beginning"...Kev_Boy

Theory: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

[QUOTE="Mumbles527"]The big bang theory pretty much answers every question you've got there. And it actually makes sense, compared to the idea that God created everything. Where did God come from, while you're at it, by the way?ThaT-Masta

Can you answer this? Where did that ball come from that just broke one day and created everything?

Vacuum fluctuations, look into it.

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#26 CptJSparrow
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The big bang's a load of crock to, it's not a fact it's a theory. And a poor one at it, it just reeks of creationism with it's "and there was a beginning"...Kev_Boy
As are the theories of gravity, cells, and atoms, yet few (if any) people reject them. They will never be called facts, as they're explanations of many facts.
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#27 standcm12
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i have a simple question for you: did you ever take 7th grade science?

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#28 Rudi-Johnson
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Bottom line...to end this entire discussion in any further topic this is brought up...

The human mind cannot percieve infinity....and the "beginning" is infinite, we cannot imagine that far back, its not even possible....

Nobody knows the exact cause of anything, because once again...we cannot percieve anything like that...we will probably never be able to either....that is why its best not to try to come up for an answer to questions like that...

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[QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...zepman71

What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....

Excatly. I meant to include that. :P
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Bottom line...to end this entire discussion in any further topic this is brought up...

The human mind cannot percieve infinity....and the "beginning" is infinite, we cannot imagine that far back, its not even possible....

Nobody knows the exact cause of anything, because once again...we cannot percieve anything like that...we will probably never be able to either....that is why its best not to try to come up for an answer to questions like that...

Rudi-Johnson

Wow...what a garbage answer. I am glad the scientist of our world don't hold this view, and continue working hard at uncovering the mysteries of the universe....

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[QUOTE="Rudi-Johnson"]

Bottom line...to end this entire discussion in any further topic this is brought up...

The human mind cannot percieve infinity....and the "beginning" is infinite, we cannot imagine that far back, its not even possible....

Nobody knows the exact cause of anything, because once again...we cannot percieve anything like that...we will probably never be able to either....that is why its best not to try to come up for an answer to questions like that...

dnuggs40

Wow...what a garbage answer. I am glad the scientist of our world don't hold this view, and continue working hard at uncovering the mysteries of the universe....

Yep, it's a straight up cop-out. Just because you can't understand the physics involved in the creation of the universe does not mean that nobody else can.

It's also not infinite. The time between the big bang and the present can and has been measured.

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#32 jakecufc8888
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How was God created?

The only well supported theory of creation I know of is Big Bang, which stills brings to question; where did that come from? I honestly don't have any idea. It's mind- boggling.

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How was the earth created? How was the sun created? How was the rocks and planets and stars that make up the universe, were did they begin? If you go back far enough, you'll realize that something, someone, must have created the first rock, that first star, whatever it might be. There has to be a beginning. Look at the big picture: how did the universe begin?

peter1191

Why does there have to be a beginning?

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According to accepted theories about the origin of the universe within the first few seconds after the big bang most of the physical rules that allow the universe to function as we see it had come into being. After that your question is pretty simple. Suns, that is stars come into being once huge clouds of extremely small particles finally weigh so much that they collapse into themselves and begin the process of fusion. Planets are formed the same way.

Where did the particles come from? Well atomic particles came into being with the big bang, that is protons, neutrons, and electons. These particles can combine to form atoms. Thought atoms larger than Hydrogen require a sun in order to form cause they are created through the process of fusion. These particles of course come together by the rules of gravity around suns to create planets.

The processes of planets are dependant on a number of factors including their distance from the sun, their density and size (which will alter the interior processes), what they are made out of, as well as the composition the atoms within the planet have taken. For instance, Mars is techtonically inactive, but it may not have always been the case. Before the entire surface was covered in continetal crust (rocks like granite, rhyolite, andesite, and diorite) and still had oceanic crust (rocks like basalt, obsidian, and Gabro) subduction could occur, whatever plates and continental materials that were on the surface could move around (like our own plates) and planetary processes such as earthquakes and volcanoes could occur creating things like water and oxygen (specifically O2 what we breath).

The point is that there are explainations to your question. I think a better question for atheists would be "How is it that all these things throughout the universe that work so well together do so by random accident."

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First there was nothing, then nothing decided to explode and create the universe over billions of years. Either that or first there was nothing then God decided to 'be' for some reason and he created the universe. Both pretty much suck but it's all we got so...
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The point is that there are explainations to your question. I think a better question for atheists would be "How is it that all these things throughout the universe that work so well together do so by random accident."

Insane00

There is nothing random about it. They all act according to very specific laws which is how we are able to make predictions about them.

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[QUOTE="Insane00"]

The point is that there are explainations to your question. I think a better question for atheists would be "How is it that all these things throughout the universe that work so well together do so by random accident."

Decessus

There is nothing random about it. They all act according to very specific laws which is how we are able to make predictions about them.

Determinism? Quantum mechanics is quite random, good sir.
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[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Insane00"]

The point is that there are explainations to your question. I think a better question for atheists would be "How is it that all these things throughout the universe that work so well together do so by random accident."

CptJSparrow

There is nothing random about it. They all act according to very specific laws which is how we are able to make predictions about them.

Determinism? Quantum mechanics is quite random, good sir.

Is it really random, or is it just something that we haven't figured out yet?

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I thought you said this was going to be a simple question. The question you asked nobody knows so therefore your question is rather impossible not simple.
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#40 Decessus
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I thought you said this was going to be a simple question. The question you asked nobody knows so therefore your question is rather impossible not simple.Palax

The question is simple, the answer... not so much.

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First there was nothing, then nothing decided to explode and create the universe over billions of years. Either that or first there was nothing then God decided to 'be' for some reason and he created the universe. Both pretty much suck but it's all we got so...O_OdazX_X

Well technically the Big bang theory says that first there was a singularity with infinite mass and infinite energy, which exploded and became everything. What there was before that depends on the theory you use. The expanding contracting theory says that the universe has always expanded to it's limit and then contracted back to the singularity, which then explodes and expands to it's limit only to contract to a singularity... you get the point.

However, this theory is no longer very well supported as it appears that the universe is constantly expanding, in which case, I don't know if we could figure out what was before the big bang since our universe is full of the noise that resulted from the big bang.

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#42 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="Insane00"]

The point is that there are explainations to your question. I think a better question for atheists would be "How is it that all these things throughout the universe that work so well together do so by random accident."

Decessus

There is nothing random about it. They all act according to very specific laws which is how we are able to make predictions about them.

Determinism? Quantum mechanics is quite random, good sir.

Is it really random, or is it just something that we haven't figured out yet?

A bit of both... we haven't quite figured it out yet, and the current theories suggest that we cannot be certain about the amount of energy in subatomic particles nor the positions of electrons.
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A bit of both... we haven't quite figured it out yet, and the current theories suggest that we cannot be certain about the amount of energy in subatomic particles nor the positions of electrons.CptJSparrow

That's the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle, yeah?

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]A bit of both... we haven't quite figured it out yet, and the current theories suggest that we cannot be certain about the amount of energy in subatomic particles nor the positions of electrons.Decessus

That's the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle, yeah?

In a nutshell.
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[QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]A bit of both... we haven't quite figured it out yet, and the current theories suggest that we cannot be certain about the amount of energy in subatomic particles nor the positions of electrons.CptJSparrow

That's the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle, yeah?

In a nutshell.

Alright, I'll revise my previous statement and instead say that the universe is not governed by completely random forces.

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korn started playing a concert and the universe began
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Perhaps the universe has always existed? Perhaps it was never created? Perhaps it is like one of those lines with two arrows on either end... no beginning and no end. Why did something or someone have to create it? Science itself tries to explain things logically with the best evidence available, forming theories around what has been discovered and then adapting them to new information as it arises. From what we know right now, it is impossible to be certain if the universe was even created or not, it could have always existed.
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[QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...zepman71

What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....

God has always been. No one ever created Him.
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[QUOTE="zepman71"]

[QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...Anamosa41

What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....

God has always been. No one ever created Him.

How convenient :roll:

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[QUOTE="zepman71"]

[QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...Anamosa41

What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....

God has always been. No one ever created Him.

wow......