How was God created? :?Aquat1cF1sh
Of course he wasn't created, it says so in THE BIBLE!
Simple question for atheists
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[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]How was God created? :?ab1205
Of course he wasn't created, it says so in THE BIBLE!
...and how is a big bang out of nothing any more harder to beleive than a god made out of nothing?[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Rudi-Johnson"]Bottom line...to end this entire discussion in any further topic this is brought up...
The human mind cannot percieve infinity....and the "beginning" is infinite, we cannot imagine that far back, its not even possible....
Nobody knows the exact cause of anything, because once again...we cannot percieve anything like that...we will probably never be able to either....that is why its best not to try to come up for an answer to questions like that...
ab1205
Wow...what a garbage answer. I am glad the scientist of our world don't hold this view, and continue working hard at uncovering the mysteries of the universe....
Yep, it's a straight up cop-out. Just because you can't understand the physics involved in the creation of the universe does not mean that nobody else can.
It's also not infinite. The time between the big bang and the present can and has been measured.
Who said the Big Bang was "THE BEGINNING"? Who says our Universe isn't just one of many infinite others?
Unless you have any evidence to back up these claims, I suggest you not elaborate further.
[QUOTE="Platearmor_6"][QUOTE="peter1191"]How was the earth created? How was the sun created? How was the rocks and planets and stars that make up the universe, were did they begin? If you go back far enough, you'll realize that something, someone, must have created the first rock, that first star, whatever it might be. There has to be a beginning. Look at the big picture: how did the universe begin?
mig_killer2
Easy. God and his room mate Chuggs were having an arm wrestling contest when god felt a fart coming on and attempted to light it, and thus the universe was born.
why is it that atheists feel so compelled to make fun of people who are religious?Probably because religon pry's into people's lives and tries to micro manage their very existence. Just look at the Neo-Cons and their repeated attempts to turn the US into a theocratic state.
Honestly, the "zomg science isn't perfect therefore it's wrong!" mantra is such BS. Since the people who claim it generally have no idea how sciences actually works. These are the kind of people who couldn't pass basic high school physics.
Mike Wong does a far better job at explaining this than I do.
http://www.creationtheory.org/Arguments/Imperfections.xhtml
[QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Rudi-Johnson"]Bottom line...to end this entire discussion in any further topic this is brought up...
The human mind cannot percieve infinity....and the "beginning" is infinite, we cannot imagine that far back, its not even possible....
Nobody knows the exact cause of anything, because once again...we cannot percieve anything like that...we will probably never be able to either....that is why its best not to try to come up for an answer to questions like that...
CaptHawkeye
Wow...what a garbage answer. I am glad the scientist of our world don't hold this view, and continue working hard at uncovering the mysteries of the universe....
Yep, it's a straight up cop-out. Just because you can't understand the physics involved in the creation of the universe does not mean that nobody else can.
It's also not infinite. The time between the big bang and the present can and has been measured.
Who said the Big Bang was "THE BEGINNING"? Who says our Universe isn't just one of many infinite others?
Unless you have any evidence to back up these claims, I suggest you not elaborate further.
He's not saying he believes that or knows that. It's perfectly fine to speculate. It's only those who claim to know something that need to back it up with evidence. If he said "I know that there are infinite other universes." I agree that there's no reason to believe in an infinite number of universes. But that doesn't mean there isn't an infinite number. Just like there's no reason to believe in God, but that doesn't mean there is no God.[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...ab1205
What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....
God has always been. No one ever created Him.How convenient :roll:
:question:If theres one thing that science taught us, its that something can't come from nothing. So how did God come to exist?
That's the point of my post. God never "came" to exist. He has always been.I'll use your own words and flip em.
The Universe never "came" to exist. It has always been.
the universe isn't infinite. that is a scientific truth;)A religion thread? That's new. /sarcasmHessenKnightA useless spam in a religion thread? That's new too!
And you're right, something that science can't explain started it all. Athiesm...doesn't leave me satisfied. So a singularity making a big bang started it, well that's nice, but that singularity came from somewhere first.
A useless spam in a religion thread? That's new too![QUOTE="HessenKnight"]A religion thread? That's new. /sarcasmOfficialJab
And you're right, something that science can't explain started it all. Athiesm...doesn't leave me satisfied. So a singularity making a big bang started it, well that's nice, but that singularity came from somewhere first.
exactly! whatever created the first cause of the first cause HAS to be infinite. atheists say that this was nature, and theists say this was god. there is no proof for either sides, and the atheists and the theists are both positive advocates, so the burden of proof is on both of them
[QUOTE="OfficialJab"]A useless spam in a religion thread? That's new too![QUOTE="HessenKnight"]A religion thread? That's new. /sarcasmmig_killer2
And you're right, something that science can't explain started it all. Athiesm...doesn't leave me satisfied. So a singularity making a big bang started it, well that's nice, but that singularity came from somewhere first.
exactly! whatever created the first cause of the first cause HAS to be infinite. atheists say that this was nature, and theists say this was god. there is no proof for either sides, and the atheists and the theists are both positive advocates, so the burden of proof is on both of themI'm an Atheist and I don't claim to know how, when, or why the universe came to existence. I just don't believe a sky-fairy did it. Saying "I don't know." Is not a bad thing. It's many times better than making up a ridiculous story.[QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]How was God created? :?FrostyPhantasm
Of course he wasn't created, it says so in THE BIBLE!
...and how is a big bang out of nothing any more harder to beleive than a god made out of nothing?it's not out of nothing, the big bang was NOT the beginning, it was only the beginning of our Universe.
[QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...mig_killer2
What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....
God has always been. No one ever created Him.How convenient :roll:
:question:If theres one thing that science taught us, its that something can't come from nothing. So how did God come to exist?
That's the point of my post. God never "came" to exist. He has always been.I'll use your own words and flip em.
The Universe never "came" to exist. It has always been.
the universe isn't infinite. that is a scientific truth;)its not the truth damnit
the big bang is NOT the beginning. It's only the beginning of OUR UNIVERSE the one we live in, doesn't mean this big bang didn't come from a black hole in a different Universe which is what many scientists believe as well as researchers from the top universities.
[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]How was God created? :?ab1205
Of course he wasn't created, it says so in THE BIBLE!
...and how is a big bang out of nothing any more harder to beleive than a god made out of nothing?it's not out of nothing, the big bang was NOT the beginning, it was only the beginning of our Universe.
And how do you know our universe wasn't the absolute beginning of everything?[QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]How was God created? :?Ezgam3r
Of course he wasn't created, it says so in THE BIBLE!
...and how is a big bang out of nothing any more harder to beleive than a god made out of nothing?it's not out of nothing, the big bang was NOT the beginning, it was only the beginning of our Universe.
And how do you know our universe wasn't the absolute beginning of everything?Because there are many theories of paralle Universes, multiverses,etc. Not just at random places but Harvard, Oxford,etc. Just search em up on google.
You can't get something from nothing. It could be that every Black Hole in our Universe has a Universe of its own inside of it,etc.
frankly, neither side can prove whether or not either explanation is right.HewkiiAtheists don't have a damn explanation! They just don't believe in God! How many damn times do I have to say this! There isn't a book of Atheism, no doctorine, no dogma. Just not believing in God. Scientists who happen to be Atheists may have theories, but it doesn't mean every damn Atheist believes their theory. Why the hell is this so hard to understand?
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="OfficialJab"]A useless spam in a religion thread? That's new too![QUOTE="HessenKnight"]A religion thread? That's new. /sarcasmslinky6
And you're right, something that science can't explain started it all. Athiesm...doesn't leave me satisfied. So a singularity making a big bang started it, well that's nice, but that singularity came from somewhere first.
exactly! whatever created the first cause of the first cause HAS to be infinite. atheists say that this was nature, and theists say this was god. there is no proof for either sides, and the atheists and the theists are both positive advocates, so the burden of proof is on both of themI'm an Atheist and I don't claim to know how, when, or why the universe came to existence. I just don't believe a sky-fairy did it. Saying "I don't know." Is not a bad thing. It's many times better than making up a ridiculous story. so, how is an infinite god any less logical than an infinite natural world?[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...ab1205
What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....
God has always been. No one ever created Him.How convenient :roll:
:question:If theres one thing that science taught us, its that something can't come from nothing. So how did God come to exist?
That's the point of my post. God never "came" to exist. He has always been.I'll use your own words and flip em.
The Universe never "came" to exist. It has always been.
the universe isn't infinite. that is a scientific truth;)its not the truth damnit
the big bang is NOT the beginning. It's only the beginning of OUR UNIVERSE the one we live in, doesn't mean this big bang didn't come from a black hole in a different Universe which is what many scientists believe as well as researchers from the top universities.
so, it has always been? do you have any evidence that it has always been?[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="OfficialJab"]A useless spam in a religion thread? That's new too![QUOTE="HessenKnight"]A religion thread? That's new. /sarcasmslinky6
And you're right, something that science can't explain started it all. Athiesm...doesn't leave me satisfied. So a singularity making a big bang started it, well that's nice, but that singularity came from somewhere first.
exactly! whatever created the first cause of the first cause HAS to be infinite. atheists say that this was nature, and theists say this was god. there is no proof for either sides, and the atheists and the theists are both positive advocates, so the burden of proof is on both of themI'm an Atheist and I don't claim to know how, when, or why the universe came to existence. I just don't believe a sky-fairy did it. Saying "I don't know." Is not a bad thing. It's many times better than making up a ridiculous story. so, how is an infinite god any less logical than an infinite natural world?[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...ab1205
What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....
God has always been. No one ever created Him.How convenient :roll:
:question:If theres one thing that science taught us, its that something can't come from nothing. So how did God come to exist?
That's the point of my post. God never "came" to exist. He has always been.I'll use your own words and flip em.
The Universe never "came" to exist. It has always been.
the universe isn't infinite. that is a scientific truth;)its not the truth damnit
the big bang is NOT the beginning. It's only the beginning of OUR UNIVERSE the one we live in, doesn't mean this big bang didn't come from a black hole in a different Universe which is what many scientists believe as well as researchers from the top universities.
so, it has always been? do you have any evidence that it has always been?He never said that. Read carefully.ab1205 certainly did say that the universe has always been
Atheists don't have a damn explanation! They just don't believe in God! How many damn times do I have to say this! There isn't a book of Atheism, no doctorine, no dogma. Just not believing in God. Scientists who happen to be Atheists may have theories, but it doesn't mean every damn Atheist believes their theory. Why the hell is this so hard to understand?
slinky6
I wasn't talking about atheists. I was talking about the people who believed version A happened (such as God created the universe, yet has always been), or version B (people who believe that the universe has always been, and/or don't believe that God made the universe).
[QUOTE="slinky6"]Atheists don't have a damn explanation! They just don't believe in God! How many damn times do I have to say this! There isn't a book of Atheism, no doctorine, no dogma. Just not believing in God. Scientists who happen to be Atheists may have theories, but it doesn't mean every damn Atheist believes their theory. Why the hell is this so hard to understand?
Hewkii
I wasn't talking about atheists. I was talking about the people who believed version A happened (such as God created the universe, yet has always been), or version B (people who believe that the universe has always been, and/or don't believe that God made the universe).
Scienctists usually tend to base their explanations on something unlike religious people, though. I'm sure if you read up on their theories you'd probably see they hold more water than the "God Hypothesis."[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="OfficialJab"]A useless spam in a religion thread? That's new too![QUOTE="HessenKnight"]A religion thread? That's new. /sarcasmslinky6
And you're right, something that science can't explain started it all. Athiesm...doesn't leave me satisfied. So a singularity making a big bang started it, well that's nice, but that singularity came from somewhere first.
exactly! whatever created the first cause of the first cause HAS to be infinite. atheists say that this was nature, and theists say this was god. there is no proof for either sides, and the atheists and the theists are both positive advocates, so the burden of proof is on both of themI'm an Atheist and I don't claim to know how, when, or why the universe came to existence. I just don't believe a sky-fairy did it. Saying "I don't know." Is not a bad thing. It's many times better than making up a ridiculous story. so, how is an infinite god any less logical than an infinite natural world?[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...ab1205
What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....
God has always been. No one ever created Him.How convenient :roll:
:question:If theres one thing that science taught us, its that something can't come from nothing. So how did God come to exist?
That's the point of my post. God never "came" to exist. He has always been.I'll use your own words and flip em.
The Universe never "came" to exist. It has always been.
the universe isn't infinite. that is a scientific truth;)its not the truth damnit
the big bang is NOT the beginning. It's only the beginning of OUR UNIVERSE the one we live in, doesn't mean this big bang didn't come from a black hole in a different Universe which is what many scientists believe as well as researchers from the top universities.
so, it has always been? do you have any evidence that it has always been?He never said that. Read carefully.ab1205 certainly did say that the universe has always beenNo he didn't, he said the beginning of our universe wasn't the absolute beginning. I'm not saying I agree with him. I'm just telling you what he actually said.
okay. im just saying, atheism isn't necessarily based on science and empiricism
But they're still just untested theories since(as far was we know) we can't communicate or interact with other universes. Thus, we have no idea if they even really exist.Because there are many theories of paralle Universes, multiverses,etc. Not just at random places but Harvard, Oxford,etc. Just search em up on google.ab1205
Right now its all just specualtion.
And then we come back to the old question: Where did the original universe with the original black hole come from?You can't get something from nothing. It could be that every Black Hole in our Universe has a Universe of its own inside of it,etc.
ab1205
[QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="luke1889"]The big band created all of the known elements in the universe and everything else just happened on its own.
luke1889
What is this band you speak of? I must hear them :P sorry I had too :oops:
:cry: I'm not sure I know of this band myself. :P
is it a ska band?
[QUOTE="ab1205"]But they're still just untested theories since(as far was we know) we can't communicate or interact with other universes. Thus, we have no idea if they even really exist.Because there are many theories of paralle Universes, multiverses,etc. Not just at random places but Harvard, Oxford,etc. Just search em up on google.Ezgam3r
Right now its all just specualtion.
And then we come back to the old question: Where did the original universe with the original black hole come from?You can't get something from nothing. It could be that every Black Hole in our Universe has a Universe of its own inside of it,etc.
ab1205
the multiverse is pure speculation. it isn't a scientific theory in any sense of the word. its just a philosophy to say that nature is infinite and doesn't need a beginning. just like, oh what's the word, GOD
[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="OfficialJab"]A useless spam in a religion thread? That's new too![QUOTE="HessenKnight"]A religion thread? That's new. /sarcasmmig_killer2
And you're right, something that science can't explain started it all. Athiesm...doesn't leave me satisfied. So a singularity making a big bang started it, well that's nice, but that singularity came from somewhere first.
exactly! whatever created the first cause of the first cause HAS to be infinite. atheists say that this was nature, and theists say this was god. there is no proof for either sides, and the atheists and the theists are both positive advocates, so the burden of proof is on both of themI'm an Atheist and I don't claim to know how, when, or why the universe came to existence. I just don't believe a sky-fairy did it. Saying "I don't know." Is not a bad thing. It's many times better than making up a ridiculous story. so, how is an infinite god any less logical than an infinite natural world?[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...ab1205
What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....
God has always been. No one ever created Him.How convenient :roll:
:question:If theres one thing that science taught us, its that something can't come from nothing. So how did God come to exist?
That's the point of my post. God never "came" to exist. He has always been.I'll use your own words and flip em.
The Universe never "came" to exist. It has always been.
the universe isn't infinite. that is a scientific truth;)its not the truth damnit
the big bang is NOT the beginning. It's only the beginning of OUR UNIVERSE the one we live in, doesn't mean this big bang didn't come from a black hole in a different Universe which is what many scientists believe as well as researchers from the top universities.
so, it has always been? do you have any evidence that it has always been?He never said that. Read carefully.ab1205 certainly did say that the universe has always been
I was reversing the Christian poster's words to make him realize how idiotic his post was, it was an immitation.
There are theories on a MultiVerse, Parallel Universe,etc. If there is no God, then the Universe must be infinite. However, no there is no proof, but that does not mean that we should fill in "God" to complete the equation.
2000 years ago we used "God" as a filler. Today, the same thing is happening. Let's move on folks, it's the 21st century.
And please, stop asking me for "proof". It's so annoying when you suggest something and someone keeps asking you "proof? proof?"
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]okay. im just saying, atheism isn't necessarily based on science and empiricismslinky6Of course it isn't. The only thing Atheism is based on is the complete lack of evidence for God.
and my belief in God is based upon the complete lack of evidence that nature is infinite
[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="ab1205"]But they're still just untested theories since(as far was we know) we can't communicate or interact with other universes. Thus, we have no idea if they even really exist.Because there are many theories of paralle Universes, multiverses,etc. Not just at random places but Harvard, Oxford,etc. Just search em up on google.mig_killer2
Right now its all just specualtion.
And then we come back to the old question: Where did the original universe with the original black hole come from?You can't get something from nothing. It could be that every Black Hole in our Universe has a Universe of its own inside of it,etc.
ab1205
the multiverse is pure speculation. it isn't a scientific theory in any sense of the word. its just a philosophy to say that nature is infinite and doesn't need a beginning. just like, oh what's the word, GOD
Yes it's pure speculation. Either way, either God is infinite, or the Universe. You choose God, and I choose the option for the Universe being infinite. Both ways, neither you can give proof, nor me. However, I would treat it as speculation and possibly a theory, while you will treat God as a fact.
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="OfficialJab"]A useless spam in a religion thread? That's new too![QUOTE="HessenKnight"]A religion thread? That's new. /sarcasmab1205
And you're right, something that science can't explain started it all. Athiesm...doesn't leave me satisfied. So a singularity making a big bang started it, well that's nice, but that singularity came from somewhere first.
exactly! whatever created the first cause of the first cause HAS to be infinite. atheists say that this was nature, and theists say this was god. there is no proof for either sides, and the atheists and the theists are both positive advocates, so the burden of proof is on both of themI'm an Atheist and I don't claim to know how, when, or why the universe came to existence. I just don't believe a sky-fairy did it. Saying "I don't know." Is not a bad thing. It's many times better than making up a ridiculous story. so, how is an infinite god any less logical than an infinite natural world?[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="jjj13"]Where did the energy for the big bang come from? Where that that some from? and so on...ab1205
What about God? Who created Him? Where did he come from? The question works both ways....
God has always been. No one ever created Him.How convenient :roll:
:question:If theres one thing that science taught us, its that something can't come from nothing. So how did God come to exist?
That's the point of my post. God never "came" to exist. He has always been.I'll use your own words and flip em.
The Universe never "came" to exist. It has always been.
the universe isn't infinite. that is a scientific truth;)its not the truth damnit
the big bang is NOT the beginning. It's only the beginning of OUR UNIVERSE the one we live in, doesn't mean this big bang didn't come from a black hole in a different Universe which is what many scientists believe as well as researchers from the top universities.
so, it has always been? do you have any evidence that it has always been?He never said that. Read carefully.ab1205 certainly did say that the universe has always been
I was reversing the Christian poster's words to make him realize how idiotic his post was, it was an immitation.
There are theories on a MultiVerse, Parallel Universe,etc. If there is no God, then the Universe must be infinite. However, no there is no proof, but that does not mean that we should fill in "God" to complete the equation.
2000 years ago we used "God" as a filler. Today, the same thing is happening. Let's move on folks, it's the 21st century.
And please, stop asking me for "proof". It's so annoying when you suggest something and someone keeps asking you "proof? proof?"
my argument is not an argument FOR theism. it doesn't mean that there is a god. it just means that both atheism and theism are based on faith. you're saying nature is infinite. can you give me some proof of these parallel universes? you're the positive advocate
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="ab1205"]But they're still just untested theories since(as far was we know) we can't communicate or interact with other universes. Thus, we have no idea if they even really exist.Because there are many theories of paralle Universes, multiverses,etc. Not just at random places but Harvard, Oxford,etc. Just search em up on google.ab1205
Right now its all just specualtion.
And then we come back to the old question: Where did the original universe with the original black hole come from?You can't get something from nothing. It could be that every Black Hole in our Universe has a Universe of its own inside of it,etc.
ab1205
the multiverse is pure speculation. it isn't a scientific theory in any sense of the word. its just a philosophy to say that nature is infinite and doesn't need a beginning. just like, oh what's the word, GOD
Yes it's pure speculation. Either way, either God is infinite, or the Universe. You choose God, and I choose the option for the Universe being infinite. Both ways, neither you can give proof, nor me. However, I would treat it as speculation and possibly a theory, while you will treat God as a fact.
when did I say that God is fact?I dont know if you've heard, but im a rational person. I accept the possibility that I might be wrong
[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]okay. im just saying, atheism isn't necessarily based on science and empiricismmig_killer2Of course it isn't. The only thing Atheism is based on is the complete lack of evidence for God.
and my belief in God is based upon the complete lack of evidence that nature is infinite
And my belief in the Universe being infinite is based upon the complete lack of evidence that God even exists.
You're still jumping to conclusions though. A theory is better than no evidence at all, for which God has none.
2000 years ago we barely had evidence for anything. Today we know more about our Universe, but we still don't have all the evidence. Evidence doesn't just come, it takes years, centuries, millenia. The lack of evidence, however, does not mean you should bring "God" into the equation.
Whatever, live in your fantasy world.
Atheists "think" or "believe" that the Universe is infinite.
Theists "believe" or "take it as a fact" that God exists.
[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]okay. im just saying, atheism isn't necessarily based on science and empiricismmig_killer2Of course it isn't. The only thing Atheism is based on is the complete lack of evidence for God.
and my belief in God is based upon the complete lack of evidence that nature is infiniteThat's not an Atheist stance, just so you know and I don't believe it. So that little reversal you tried to pull kind of failed. There's only one thing you need to not believe in to qualify as an Atheist, and that's not believing in God. That's not to say I'm loyal to the idea that there is no God, if God is proven to me, it's not like I'll continue to be an Atheist and deny God, I'll believe in him. There just isn't enough proof for me at the moment.
[QUOTE="Hewkii"]frankly, neither side can prove whether or not either explanation is right.slinky6Atheists don't have a damn explanation! They just don't believe in God! How many damn times do I have to say this! There isn't a book of Atheism, no doctorine, no dogma. Just not believing in God. Scientists who happen to be Atheists may have theories, but it doesn't mean every damn Atheist believes their theory. Why the hell is this so hard to understand?
Actually atheists categorically deny the existence of god. It's agnostics that choose not to believe in God because there is no way to prove he exists. Yet they also accept the possibility he does exist because there is no way to prove he doesn't exist either.
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"]okay. im just saying, atheism isn't necessarily based on science and empiricismslinky6Of course it isn't. The only thing Atheism is based on is the complete lack of evidence for God.
and my belief in God is based upon the complete lack of evidence that nature is infiniteThat's not an Atheist stance, just so you know and I don't believe it. So that little reversal you tried to pull kind of failed. There's only one thing you need to not believe in to qualify as an Atheist, and that's not believing in God. That's not to say I'm loyal to the idea that there is no God, if God is proven to me, it's not like I'll continue to be an Atheist and deny God, I'll believe in him. There just isn't enough proof for me at the moment.
If there is no god, then something natural caused the universe to originate. what caused that natural thing? I can go on forever, but something infinite caused the first cause. you say nature, I say god. niether of us have any proof, and we're both the positive advocates
[QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="ab1205"]But they're still just untested theories since(as far was we know) we can't communicate or interact with other universes. Thus, we have no idea if they even really exist.Because there are many theories of paralle Universes, multiverses,etc. Not just at random places but Harvard, Oxford,etc. Just search em up on google.mig_killer2
Right now its all just specualtion.
And then we come back to the old question: Where did the original universe with the original black hole come from?You can't get something from nothing. It could be that every Black Hole in our Universe has a Universe of its own inside of it,etc.
ab1205
the multiverse is pure speculation. it isn't a scientific theory in any sense of the word. its just a philosophy to say that nature is infinite and doesn't need a beginning. just like, oh what's the word, GOD
Yes it's pure speculation. Either way, either God is infinite, or the Universe. You choose God, and I choose the option for the Universe being infinite. Both ways, neither you can give proof, nor me. However, I would treat it as speculation and possibly a theory, while you will treat God as a fact.
when did I say that God is fact?I dont know if you've heard, but im a rational person. I accept the possibility that I might be wrong
My bad, it's just other religious theists overshadow the rest of the open-minded theists.
[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="ab1205"]But they're still just untested theories since(as far was we know) we can't communicate or interact with other universes. Thus, we have no idea if they even really exist.Because there are many theories of paralle Universes, multiverses,etc. Not just at random places but Harvard, Oxford,etc. Just search em up on google.mig_killer2
Right now its all just specualtion.
And then we come back to the old question: Where did the original universe with the original black hole come from?You can't get something from nothing. It could be that every Black Hole in our Universe has a Universe of its own inside of it,etc.
ab1205
the multiverse is pure speculation. it isn't a scientific theory in any sense of the word. its just a philosophy to say that nature is infinite and doesn't need a beginning. just like, oh what's the word, GODI know :|
What about it?
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="ab1205"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="ab1205"]But they're still just untested theories since(as far was we know) we can't communicate or interact with other universes. Thus, we have no idea if they even really exist.Because there are many theories of paralle Universes, multiverses,etc. Not just at random places but Harvard, Oxford,etc. Just search em up on google.ab1205
Right now its all just specualtion.
And then we come back to the old question: Where did the original universe with the original black hole come from?You can't get something from nothing. It could be that every Black Hole in our Universe has a Universe of its own inside of it,etc.
ab1205
the multiverse is pure speculation. it isn't a scientific theory in any sense of the word. its just a philosophy to say that nature is infinite and doesn't need a beginning. just like, oh what's the word, GOD
Yes it's pure speculation. Either way, either God is infinite, or the Universe. You choose God, and I choose the option for the Universe being infinite. Both ways, neither you can give proof, nor me. However, I would treat it as speculation and possibly a theory, while you will treat God as a fact.
when did I say that God is fact?I dont know if you've heard, but im a rational person. I accept the possibility that I might be wrong
My bad, it's just other religious theists overshadow the rest of the open-minded theists.
anyone who does not accept the possibility that they are wrong are plain and simply irrational[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="ab1205"]But they're still just untested theories since(as far was we know) we can't communicate or interact with other universes. Thus, we have no idea if they even really exist.Because there are many theories of paralle Universes, multiverses,etc. Not just at random places but Harvard, Oxford,etc. Just search em up on google.Ezgam3r
Right now its all just specualtion.
And then we come back to the old question: Where did the original universe with the original black hole come from?You can't get something from nothing. It could be that every Black Hole in our Universe has a Universe of its own inside of it,etc.
ab1205
the multiverse is pure speculation. it isn't a scientific theory in any sense of the word. its just a philosophy to say that nature is infinite and doesn't need a beginning. just like, oh what's the word, GODI know :|
What about it?
something had to have caused the first cause. this thing had to have been infinite. atheists say that this is nature and that nature is infinite, and I say that God is infinite. no sides have any proof, and both sides are the positive advocate.Please Log In to post.
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