Since everything we do is just a bunch of atoms in our brain, is choice really..

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Well I'd like to add to what I've said in the first place...

People acquire information, whether it be moral lessons, education, or whatever it may be that's not already in our brains by instinct....So say someone wasn't in the environment to acquire those skills we think people should commonly have...And if the information they were exposed to leans towards violence bringing up a happier life, then when they go that way and people don't like it...Then they're more like "uninformed" people. If someone didn't have the information in reach, how can you blame them for not obsorbing the information that brings them into the sphere of ideas we popularly think are "right"?

Once again, hard to explain.

firebreathing

it's really easy to explain once you just say "right and wrong is just a matter of perspective." Also, there it much more to it then right and wrong, a lot of things can be pretty inbetween. Like on Mass Effect how Saren allied with the reapers so he could save people, evne though they'd be slaves. He thought that it'd be better to live as a slave then die fighting.......is that right or wrong??? Matter of perespective.

Von Wright had an interesting analogy about free will i read once. I don't remember it exactly but this was more or less his thoughts.

So, you look at the ant and you come to the conclusion that an ant has no free will, only instincts. Then you look at the rabbit, and you only see instinct. Just breeding and eating. The same goes for a deer. Then you look at a chimpanzee, and go, hey, it's almost only instincts, but they seem to rationalize and they may have something else. Then you look at man and you say "oh look free will"!

Now, picture a vast intellectual superior alien species studying earth and humanity. What would they see? Probably only instinct. I mean you look at yourself and tell you that you are in love and want that girl. Then you look at the rabbit and see that his instincts tell him to go breeding with that rabbit chick.

But i bet that rabbit thinks he wants that chick, not that his instincts tell him to.

theleif

there is no such thing as free will. if, all of a sudden the universe split into two immaculately identical universes, would the you of the old universe make the same decisions as the you of the new. if the two universes are absolutely, perfectly identical, the two yous will make identical decision for the rest of your lives, because all decisions are determined by events that precede them. if the two yous do not make identical decisions, it would mean that some of your decisions are purely random, and randomness is no closer to free will than determinism. maximusmmii