Slipknot - Heavy Metal greats, or bottom of the barrel "Nu Metal"wanna

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

Thats not exactly my point. I am criticizing people that call metal bands they don't like "not metal".

Wolf-Man2006

1. Heavy distortion plus some death metalish-riffs

2. Throbbing double bass

3. Lyrics refer to rebellion, teenage angst, suicide, and even political themes (most recent in their new album)

4. Vocalist screams out the verses with occasional melodic parts

5. Attitude is mostly "I'm all alone and no one is here to help me", a part of most metal bands.

Hopefully most people will stop dissing Slipknot as "non-metal" because clearly most of these people only heard the 30 second clips for 3 seconds on Itunes.

I don't give rat's arse about which band I like when it comes to genres. Please tell me how Slipknot are metal? Which part of their music makes them 'metal'?Vfanek

What exactly is 'metal' now? It's a never ending argument and people will always have their opinion. There are so many genres within metal that it's hard to define it. I'd say just plain, original 'metal' would be the likes of Judas Priest, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple.

They are terrible and make me gag.

[QUOTE="Vfanek"] I don't give rat's arse about which band I like when it comes to genres. Please tell me how Slipknot are metal? Which part of their music makes them 'metal'?Louis-D

What exactly is 'metal' now? It's a never ending argument and people will always have their opinion. There are so many genres within metal that it's hard to define it. I'd say just plain, original 'metal' would be the likes of Judas Priest, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple.

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"] I don't give rat's arse about which band I like when it comes to genres. Please tell me how Slipknot are metal? Which part of their music makes them 'metal'?Vfanek

1. Heavy distortion plus some death metalish-riffs

2. Throbbing double bass

3. Lyrics refer to rebellion, teenage angst, suicide, and even political themes (most recent in their new album)

4. Vocalist screams out the verses with occasional melodic parts

5. Attitude is mostly "I'm all alone and no one is here to help me", a part of most metal bands.

Hopefully most people will stop dissing Slipknot as "non-metal" because clearly most of these people only heard the 30 second clips for 3 seconds on Itunes.

1. I said the riffs were similar to death metal, Metal is a part of rock n' roll, so techically you are right.

2. Yes, they do have some good double bass songs (Eyeless, All Hope Is Gone, etc). I should have said most songs have throbbing double bass.

3. Not irrelevent because lyrics are an important part to metal.

4. From what you're saying, that makes Pantera metalcore since they have some melodic songs. Besides, I like metalcore anyway, I think its metal.

5. Not irrelevant becausein a lot of heavy metal bands, attitude is useful (AC/DC, Motley Crue, System of a Down, etc.)

I have no idea where this is going to end up...

slipknot is not metal they aren't even close to it

since when is Metal a part of Rock n Roll? I always thought it came from the blues considering what band started it all.

since when is Metal a part of Rock n Roll? I always thought it came from the blues considering what band started it all.

GTsFrieza

True, metal was influenced by blues, but most metal bands back then were also influenced by rock n' roll, not necesarly bubble gum rock obviously.

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

1. Heavy distortion plus some death metalish-riffs

2. Throbbing double bass

3. Lyrics refer to rebellion, teenage angst, suicide, and even political themes (most recent in their new album)

4. Vocalist screams out the verses with occasional melodic parts

5. Attitude is mostly "I'm all alone and no one is here to help me", a part of most metal bands.

Hopefully most people will stop dissing Slipknot as "non-metal" because clearly most of these people only heard the 30 second clips for 3 seconds on Itunes.

Wolf-Man2006

1. I said the riffs were similar to death metal, Metal is a part of rock n' roll, so techically you are right.

2. Yes, they do have some good double bass songs (Eyeless, All Hope Is Gone, etc). I should have said most songs have throbbing double bass.

3. Not irrelevent because lyrics are an important part to metal.

4. From what you're saying, that makes Pantera metalcore since they have some melodic songs. Besides, I like metalcore anyway, I think its metal.

5. Not irrelevant becausein a lot of heavy metal bands, attitude is useful (AC/DC, Motley Crue, System of a Down, etc.)

I have no idea where this is going to end up...

[QUOTE="GTsFrieza"]

since when is Metal a part of Rock n Roll? I always thought it came from the blues considering what band started it all.

Wolf-Man2006

True, metal was influenced by blues, but most metal bands back then were also influenced by rock n' roll, not necesarly bubble gum rock obviously.

yeah that's true. But there still are a few things I don't agree with. I don't really want to go into it though, because it goes into a lot of the -core conversation, and I don't know enough about -core to hold my own in a conversation... yet ;)

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"] 1: Distortion? Rock is metal too then. The riffs aren't death metal either, sounds punk/hardcore inspired to me. 2: Not really filled with blastbeats is it? It's influenced by metal (nu metal), that's probably where the double bass came from. I'm not sure if it's used in hardcore. Sounds more Dadunk Dadunk Dadunk... 3: Irrelevant. 4: Metalcore, not metal. Metalcore is a stand alone genre that evolved from metal and hardcore. 5: Irrelevant.Vfanek

1. I said the riffs were similar to death metal, Metal is a part of rock n' roll, so techically you are right.

2. Yes, they do have some good double bass songs (Eyeless, All Hope Is Gone, etc). I should have said most songs have throbbing double bass.

3. Not irrelevent because lyrics are an important part to metal.

4. From what you're saying, that makes Pantera metalcore since they have some melodic songs. Besides, I like metalcore anyway, I think its metal.

5. Not irrelevant becausein a lot of heavy metal bands, attitude is useful (AC/DC, Motley Crue, System of a Down, etc.)

I have no idea where this is going to end up...

1. I'm just saying what I've heard from Slipknot songs.

2. I won't deny there is a hardcore influence on the band.

3. Like I said, lyrics are important for a metal band. Musical elements are needed as well for a good metal band.

4. I know that Pantera was a mix of thrash and groove metal, but the way you replied, it sounded like you called all band with screamed and melodic vocals a metalcore band. I might be wrong however. Though, I will agree that most metalcore bands are more hardcore than metal (Silverstein for example).

5. Iagree that image and music are seperate, but image is still necesary for a band. You can't form a death metal band and use a "Barbie girl" image. Bad example, I know, but still

cool, another band that i like but everyone else apparently doesn't. I like having my taste in music to be unique

[quote="Wolf-Man2006"]1. I'm just saying what I've heard from Slipknot songs. 2. I won't deny there is a hardcore influence on the band. 3. Like I said, lyrics are important for a metal band. Musical elements are needed as well for a good metal band. 4. I know that Pantera was a mix of thrash and groove metal, but the way you replied, it sounded like you called all band with screamed and melodic vocals a metalcore band. I might be wrong however. Though, I will agree that most metalcore bands are more hardcore than metal (Silverstein for example). 5. Iagree that image and music are seperate, but image is still necesary for a band. You can't form a death metal band and use a "Barbie girl" image. Bad example, I know, but stillVfanek

1. Most of the riffs are sort of death metalish (Surfacing for example).

2. Yup, it is nu-metal. They sort of dropped it after their first s/t though.

3. Good point. But for the most part, lyrics can refer to a certain genre.

4. I agree that metal is metal and metalcore is metalcore. I still think most metalcore bands are metal (Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, etc.)

5. I have Symbolic somewhere in my cd collection, forgot if i let someone borrow it or not. Yup, Cannibal Corpse is 100% B movie gore, like Entrails Ripped From a Virgin's [you-know-the-word].

I'd give them a D+ :P. At least they aren't Jonas Brothers and they seem to actually care about their fans.

I'd give them a D+ :P. At least they aren't Jonas Brothers and they seem to actually care about their fans.

Benevolentbob

Probably because most of their fans carve their symbol on their guts :P

I did not like to much of their newest album but they are a great band. A lot of their older songs are better I think.

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][quote="Wolf-Man2006"]1. I'm just saying what I've heard from Slipknot songs. 2. I won't deny there is a hardcore influence on the band. 3. Like I said, lyrics are important for a metal band. Musical elements are needed as well for a good metal band. 4. I know that Pantera was a mix of thrash and groove metal, but the way you replied, it sounded like you called all band with screamed and melodic vocals a metalcore band. I might be wrong however. Though, I will agree that most metalcore bands are more hardcore than metal (Silverstein for example). 5. Iagree that image and music are seperate, but image is still necesary for a band. You can't form a death metal band and use a "Barbie girl" image. Bad example, I know, but stillWolf-Man2006

1. Most of the riffs are sort of death metalish (Surfacing for example).

2. Yup, it is nu-metal. They sort of dropped it after their first s/t though.

3. Good point. But for the most part, lyrics can refer to a certain genre.

4. I agree that metal is metal and metalcore is metalcore. I still think most metalcore bands are metal (Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, etc.)

5. I have Symbolic somewhere in my cd collection, forgot if i let someone borrow it or not. Yup, Cannibal Corpse is 100% B movie gore, like Entrails Ripped From a Virgin's [you-know-the-word].

[QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][quote="Wolf-Man2006"]1. I'm just saying what I've heard from Slipknot songs. 2. I won't deny there is a hardcore influence on the band. 3. Like I said, lyrics are important for a metal band. Musical elements are needed as well for a good metal band. 4. I know that Pantera was a mix of thrash and groove metal, but the way you replied, it sounded like you called all band with screamed and melodic vocals a metalcore band. I might be wrong however. Though, I will agree that most metalcore bands are more hardcore than metal (Silverstein for example). 5. Iagree that image and music are seperate, but image is still necesary for a band. You can't form a death metal band and use a "Barbie girl" image. Bad example, I know, but stillVfanek

1. Most of the riffs are sort of death metalish (Surfacing for example).

2. Yup, it is nu-metal. They sort of dropped it after their first s/t though.;)

3. Good point. But for the most part, lyrics can refer to a certain genre.

4. I agree that metal is metal and metalcore is metalcore. I still think most metalcore bands are metal (Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, etc.)

5. I have Symbolic somewhere in my cd collection, forgot if i let someone borrow it or not. Yup, Cannibal Corpse is 100% B movie gore, like Entrails Ripped From a Virgin's [you-know-the-word].

1. We can continue to agrue about that :P

5. I heard Human, its amazing. Have you heard their last album yet? Yup, the C-word on that Cannibal Corpse song I mentioned :) Not to mentioned the lovely title **** with a Knife

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Wolf-Man2006"]

1. Most of the riffs are sort of death metalish (Surfacing for example).

2. Yup, it is nu-metal. They sort of dropped it after their first s/t though.;)

3. Good point. But for the most part, lyrics can refer to a certain genre.

4. I agree that metal is metal and metalcore is metalcore. I still think most metalcore bands are metal (Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, etc.)

5. I have Symbolic somewhere in my cd collection, forgot if i let someone borrow it or not. Yup, Cannibal Corpse is 100% B movie gore, like Entrails Ripped From a Virgin's [you-know-the-word].

Wolf-Man2006

1. We can continue to agrue about that :P

5. I heard Human, its amazing. Have you heard their last album yet? Yup, the C-word on that Cannibal Corpse song I mentioned :) Not to mentioned the lovely title **** with a Knife

Do not like.

I've seen a lot of heated discussions on this topic, and I've also seen editorials on the subject. The sides seem to weigh evenly against each other, but I honestly think that even after all of the changes they've made since their introduction to the mainstream (At that point, they were undeniably Nu Metal more than anything else) they still aren't anywhere near the top of the heap. I find most of the stuff unlistenable and juvenile. I mean, when I first took a look at the band in their jumpsuits and horror masks I thought for sure what would be pumping through my speakers when the CD was playing would be pure death metal, but it was more like the bastard child of KoRn and a poor Slayer cover band.

Anyway, what do you guys think?

Assassin_87

Slipknot sounds like diarrhea.

Just a crappy band.