Smut for smut? A whole new can of worms?

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No. I don't think it's terribly mature but I give them credit for doing something. You rarely see an atheist exhibition of any kind so I think they're brave. And in my mind liking porn doesn't qualify one as an atheist. Christians hand out religious materials and I can see how some people see those materials as offensive or 'smut' as they call it. Why can 1 group hand out material some people find offensive and not the other? There's a bit of a double standard going on.

LJS9502_basic

Any group that sets up a table in a public place to display themselve and their beliefs can technically offend anyone. Christian displays included. They want to spread the word of God to people who aren't bothering them either. That can be offensive. The Bible doesn't hold special meaning to everyone so it isn't always going to be treated like a sacred text. I'm not saying an offended Christian has to sit back and take it per se, but at least don't act like it's a ridiculous notion.

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[QUOTE="binpink"]

No. I don't think it's terribly mature but I give them credit for doing something. You rarely see an atheist exhibition of any kind so I think they're brave. And in my mind liking porn doesn't qualify one as an atheist. Christians hand out religious materials and I can see how some people see those materials as offensive or 'smut' as they call it. Why can 1 group hand out material some people find offensive and not the other? There's a bit of a double standard going on.

binpink

Any group that sets up a table in a public place to display themselve and their beliefs can technically offend anyone. Christian displays included. They want to spread the word of God to people who aren't bothering them either. That can be offensive. The Bible doesn't hold special meaning to everyone so it isn't always going to be treated like a sacred text. I'm not saying an offended Christian has to sit back and take it per se, but at least don't act like it's a ridiculous notion.

Isn't that just the opposite of what you said in the first post?:?

LJS9502_basic

I know I'm starting to sound confusing... Demonstrations are going to happen no matter what, so keeping THAT specifically in mind.... you can't get offended and throw a fit about everyone who doesn't agree with you. If no one ever bothered to demonstrate or publicly spread their message it'd be one thing. But people do. If you're secure with your own beliefs you should be able to handle seeing an opposing group while remaining mature and confident in yourself. Even if the other group is ridiculous or using shock value, acknowledge that they have a right to be there and say what they have to say.

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Isn't that just the opposite of what you said in the first post?:?

binpink

I know I'm starting to sound confusing... Demonstrations are going to happen no matter what, so keeping THAT specifically in mind.... you can't get offended and throw a fit about everyone who doesn't agree with you. If no one ever bothered to demonstrate or publicly spread their message it'd be one thing. But people do. If you're secure with your own beliefs you should be able to handle seeing an opposing group while remaining mature and confident in yourself. Even if the other group is ridiculous or using shock value, acknowledge that they have a right to be there and say what they have to say.

They have no right to utterly mock a book that a religion considers sacred by camparing it to pornography...or even putting it on the same level as pornography..it is WAY out of line and taking it much too far..

That wasn't my point. They didn't have to call the bible smut nor use porn to replace it. They don't believe in it...fine. But there is no need to insult those that do.

LJS9502_basic

Is it not offensive for a Christian to try to "save" an atheist by telling them their beliefs are inadequate and they are doomed to hell because they don't agree with Christian beliefs?
I agree that being outwardly insulting isn't a convincing tactic by any means though. But I see a lot of gray area in these kinds of issues because anyone can be offended by anything. Unfortunately.

Is it not offensive for a Christian to try to "save" an atheist by telling them their beliefs are inadequate and they are doomed to hell because they don't agree with Christian beliefs?
I agree that being outwardly insulting isn't a convincing tactic by any means though. But I see a lot of gray area in these kinds of issues because anyone can be offended by anything. Unfortunately.

binpink

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Isn't that just the opposite of what you said in the first post?:?

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I know I'm starting to sound confusing... Demonstrations are going to happen no matter what, so keeping THAT specifically in mind.... you can't get offended and throw a fit about everyone who doesn't agree with you. If no one ever bothered to demonstrate or publicly spread their message it'd be one thing. But people do. If you're secure with your own beliefs you should be able to handle seeing an opposing group while remaining mature and confident in yourself. Even if the other group is ridiculous or using shock value, acknowledge that they have a right to be there and say what they have to say.

They have no right to utterly mock a book that a religion considers sacred by camparing it to pornography...or even putting it on the same level as pornography..it is WAY out of line and taking it much too far..

They actually do have that right. They did it. To no one's surprise it offended people. Your response demonstrates what I was saying- how some people can't simply be offended and move on.

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[QUOTE="binpink"]

I know I'm starting to sound confusing... Demonstrations are going to happen no matter what, so keeping THAT specifically in mind.... you can't get offended and throw a fit about everyone who doesn't agree with you. If no one ever bothered to demonstrate or publicly spread their message it'd be one thing. But people do. If you're secure with your own beliefs you should be able to handle seeing an opposing group while remaining mature and confident in yourself. Even if the other group is ridiculous or using shock value, acknowledge that they have a right to be there and say what they have to say.

binpink

They have no right to utterly mock a book that a religion considers sacred by camparing it to pornography...or even putting it on the same level as pornography..it is WAY out of line and taking it much too far..

They actually do have that right. They did it. To no one's surprise it offended people. Your response demonstrates what I was saying- how some people can't simply be offended and move on.

You really think it's ok to do something like that?..

People will move on...but we're having a discussion about said topic..what am i supposed to post.. "oh i'm offended...well.i am moving on now"..?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

That wasn't my point. They didn't have to call the bible smut nor use porn to replace it. They don't believe in it...fine. But there is no need to insult those that do.

Is it not offensive for a Christian to try to "save" an atheist by telling them their beliefs are inadequate and they are doomed to hell because they don't agree with Christian beliefs? I agree that being outwardly insulting isn't a convincing tactic by any means though. But I see a lot of gray area in these kinds of issues because anyone can be offended by anything. Unfortunately.

Also it seemed like they were purposely trying to be offensive.dave123321

[QUOTE="binpink"]

Is it not offensive for a Christian to try to "save" an atheist by telling them their beliefs are inadequate and they are doomed to hell because they don't agree with Christian beliefs?
I agree that being outwardly insulting isn't a convincing tactic by any means though. But I see a lot of gray area in these kinds of issues because anyone can be offended by anything. Unfortunately.

LJS9502_basic

That's wonderful. You're confident and mature about things and don't let rude opinions get to you. But not everyone handles their beliefs that way. When someone does do something outlandish for the sake of their cause it's nice to see a level-headed person handle it calmly.

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That's wonderful. You're confident and mature about things and don't let rude opinions get to you. But not everyone handles their beliefs that way. When someone does do something outlandish for the sake of their cause it's nice to see a level-headed person handle it calmly.

binpink

You really think it's ok to do something like that?..

People will move on...but we're having a discussion about said topic..what am i supposed to post.. "oh i'm offended...well.i am moving on now"..?

Xx_Hopeless_xX

You can certainly discuss how offended you are all you want. Have at it. But I do believe you were incorrect when you said they don't have the "right" to do what they did. I reeeeeally don't want to get into rights though. I was just saying that they do have that right, no matter how terrible it might seem. And since that's the case, it's legally "ok" for them to demonstrate like that.

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You really think it's ok to do something like that?..

People will move on...but we're having a discussion about said topic..what am i supposed to post.. "oh i'm offended...well.i am moving on now"..?

binpink

You can certainly discuss how offended you are all you want. Have at it. But I do believe you were incorrect when you said they don't have the "right" to do what they did. I reeeeeally don't want to get into rights though. I was just saying that they do have that right, no matter how terrible it might seem. And since that's the case, it's legally "ok" for them to demonstrate like that.

Legally yes...but why compare something that a religion is based on to pornography..? That's really hitting below the belt as they say..

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That's wonderful. You're confident and mature about things and don't let rude opinions get to you. But not everyone handles their beliefs that way. When someone does do something outlandish for the sake of their cause it's nice to see a level-headed person handle it calmly.

LJS9502_basic

Meaning... personally? Or as a society?You certainly don't have to condone it personally but what exactly do you expect to do in response?

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That's wonderful. You're confident and mature about things and don't let rude opinions get to you. But not everyone handles their beliefs that way. When someone does do something outlandish for the sake of their cause it's nice to see a level-headed person handle it calmly.

binpink

Meaning... personally? Or as a society?You certainly don't have to condone it personally but what exactly do you expect to do in response?

Legally yes...but why compare something that a religion is based on to pornography..? That's really hitting below the belt as they say..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yes it was a low blow. I know that. What do you think should've been done about it?

As a society...and what I mean by that....maybe they should be told about their intolerance.LJS9502_basic

I'm not sure I follow. :S

They have no right to utterly mock a book that a religion considers sacred by camparing it to pornography...or even putting it on the same level as pornography..it is WAY out of line and taking it much too far..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I would certainly say that what they did is untasteful, but I disagree with what you said. I think anything ought be able to be the subject of mockery.That's not to say you shouldn't be respectful, but in general, I don't think anything should have some sort of protective barrier that does not allow scrutiny, just as with beliefs of any person, religious or not.

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They have no right to utterly mock a book that a religion considers sacred by camparing it to pornography...or even putting it on the same level as pornography..it is WAY out of line and taking it much too far..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

They actually do have that right. They did it. To no one's surprise it offended people. Your response demonstrates what I was saying- how some people can't simply be offended and move on.

You really think it's ok to do something like that?..

People will move on...but we're having a discussion about said topic..what am i supposed to post.. "oh i'm offended...well.i am moving on now"..?

Now I think you are in my position.