So... a Kick Ass review that bugged me...

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#1 muzik_mafia
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I read the novel and saw the movie recently, and both were very good. You could see why there had to be changes in the movie, and I had very few complaints.

But today I browsed the IMDB, and someone said, "Victory for Ebert!" Reading what he said, I flipped to the man's review.

Stupid old men. The guy doesn't justify his points, and makes no sense. He talks about issues that were switched in the movie, but complains about a scene being lacked that wasn't even in the comic. Not to mention I read it in an old British voice.

Just a thought, read his review and state your opinion!

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#2 Dylan_11
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It's his opinion. I don't agree, but I can't change how he thinks I suppose.
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#3 Shiggums
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Most amateur reviews tend to be like that, best just to get over it.

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#4 LoG-Sacrament
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its a film made for comic book fans. its probably not going to speak most directly to a 70-something.
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#5 biggest_loser
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Ebert is not stupid. I do understand his concerns for the irresponsibility of violence in the movie. He mentions that the girl has no reaction. That is true. The violence is gratutious and over the top for no reason really. Its simply for the spectacle and to look "cool". Some people like that, some dont.

Given the number of school shootings in the USA I do know what he means but everyone is going to have a different reaction.

Just a side note:

I'm a bit sick of reading insults on rotten tomatoes etc just because someone didn't like the fans favourite movie. Just keep it in mind that they are entitled to their opinion.

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#6 Jazz_Fan
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Reading most of Ebert's reviews you can really see what he finds decent and what are his boundaries. He is a great writer and I would take his film criticism over anyone here anyday, I don't agree with him all the time but his opinion is certainly valid.
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#7 sammyjenkis898
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Roger Ebert is far from stupid. I haven't seen the film, but I do agree that his sole reason for disliking it is kind of ridiculous. He actually contradicts himself. He states that it's tedious to explain why he became a super-hero, yet later he says the protagonist's problems in high-school are "engaging." Granted, once I see the film, that might not seem like a contradiction.
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#8 Im_single
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Not surprising to see a 70 something movie critic hating on a movie called "Kick Ass" which appeals to the 20 something internet junkie/comic book crowd. Not to say I think his review was justified, his reasoning was strange to say the least, but kudos to him for sticking to his morals.
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#9 rolo107
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Ebert is not stupid. I do understand his concerns for the irresponsibility of violence in the movie. He mentions that the girl has no reaction. That is true. The violence is gratutious and over the top for no reason really. Its simply for the spectacle and to look "cool". Some people like that, some dont.

Given the number of school shootings in the USA I do know what he means but everyone is going to have a different reaction.

Just a side note:

I'm a bit sick of reading insults on rotten tomatoes etc just because someone didn't like the fans favourite movie. Just keep it in mind that they are entitled to their opinion.

biggest_loser
Isn't someone entitled to the opinion that his review is utterly and completely off the money? Or is it wrong to say so?
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#10 biggest_loser
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Ebert is not stupid. I do understand his concerns for the irresponsibility of violence in the movie. He mentions that the girl has no reaction. That is true. The violence is gratutious and over the top for no reason really. Its simply for the spectacle and to look "cool". Some people like that, some dont.

Given the number of school shootings in the USA I do know what he means but everyone is going to have a different reaction.

Just a side note:

I'm a bit sick of reading insults on rotten tomatoes etc just because someone didn't like the fans favourite movie. Just keep it in mind that they are entitled to their opinion.

rolo107
Isn't someone entitled to the opinion that his review is utterly and completely off the money? Or is it wrong to say so?

You can say that you don't agree with someone by presenting a valid argument, rather than just pouring **** on them and school yard insults like saying they're old and implying they're pompous.
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#11 GrandJury
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It is called an opinion.
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#12 Lethalhazard
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I like Mr. Ebert and this news has been going around for awhile now. I think it deserves two or three stars, but Ebert is entitled to whatever he thinks.
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I've said this several times now, but I bet if Hit Girl was taken out of the movie and replaced with a talking CGI chimpanzee, Robert Ebert would then like the film. Why? Cause nothing would offend him anymore. He based his review entirely on his own moral beliefs and ignored the qualities of the actual film. I find that a very unprofessional way to review a movie. Movies are meant to be escapists from reality; and Kick-Ass, in a way, was just that, and Ebert seems to have forgotten that.
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#14 muller39
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I don't care for what reviwers say about movies.

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#15 Lord_Daemon
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Although I can't say I found "Kick Ass" to be a good movie, I do not at all agree with Ebert's opinion on the matter and found his response in keeping with the usual terse dismission routine that hampers some professional movie critics careers.

I am also though fairly increasingly annoyed at the regular formula so many people can't seem to keep from going through with newly released crowd favorites. Movie comes out and the majority pronounce "10/10!". Those who REALLY liked it are branded as "just going along with the crowd" and those who don't are stuck up stick in the muds who can't just enjoy a picture for "what it is" or are just going against the crowd because they want to be rebels! People can't imagine how anybody cannot think that it's the second coming and can't seem to just let people have opinions that differ from their own so greatly bothered are they.

Time passes and when an atypical backlash appears and more people proclaim come out of the woodwork stating they didn't really think said film was "all that" they are pronounced as just going along with the crowd of increasing amount of naysayer in order to look cool.

Really I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with people who don't share their exact opinions on fims. There's lots of people whose opinions I respect or am at least interested in and many, many times they enjoy or suggest films that I think have little merit. Like any art form some things resonate with people for different reasons and some just do not no matter how "technically" good or bad any given film may be.

Also people can and will quite often change their opinions as they grow older or repeatedly watch any given film. It's not flip-flopping it's just people changing as they so often do.

Calm down. Just enjoy your film if you like it or feel free to hate it with every fiber of your being. If you want to talk to the person about their opinions just write to them but there's no point in attempting to convice them they're wrong.

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#16 biggest_loser
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I've said this several times now, but I bet if Hit Girl was taken out of the movie and replaced with a talking CGI chimpanzee, Robert Ebert would then like the film. Why? Cause nothing would offend him anymore. He based his review entirely on his own moral beliefs and ignored the qualities of the actual film. I find that a very unprofessional way to review a movie. Movies are meant to be escapists from reality; and Kick-Ass, in a way, was just that, and Ebert seems to have forgotten that.Nerd_Man
No I disagree on that. He is basing his opinion around what is in the film and judging what angle the filmmakers have taken. If it was a chimp then he would say how he felt about that character. Films can be escapism but people are always going to have different reactions and interpretations. Some will like it, some won't. If it doesn't appeal to you then it doesn't. It is critical to look at what a film is saying rather than just saying oh its escapism so we realise the point the director is trying to get across.
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#17 Film-Guy
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I haven't seen Kick Ass yet so I won't judge it, but I respect Roger Ebert. I think all critic's opinions mean nothing, but he has liked many films I have that most other critics have hated. For example he loved Synechoche new york, The Fall, and The Weather Man while most critics were not so kind. Also am I the only one who is impressed by the director Matthew Vaughn's diversity? Kick Ass, Layer Cake, and Stardust are all completely different films. I think he has a lot of potential as a director.

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#18 Espada12
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Who cares what some movie elitest thinks. Kickass was exactly that... KICKASS!!

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#19 nelson415
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Saw the movie today, and i thought it was great

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#20 Samurai_Xavier
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its a film made for comic book fans. its probably not going to speak most directly to a 70-something.LoG-Sacrament

Ebert is 67. He gave Watchmen a 4/4 and has given a lot of other comic book movies positive reviews. He loves anime movies too.

Ebert actually rates movies much higher than average than most other movie critics. Most of his reviews are positive, its pretty rare to see him give such a negative review to a movie like this.

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#21 muzik_mafia
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I haven't seen Kick Ass yet so I won't judge it, but I respect Roger Ebert. I think all critic's opinions mean nothing, but he has liked many films I have that most other critics have hated. For example he loved Synechoche new york, The Fall, and The Weather Man while most critics were not so kind. Also am I the only one who is impressed by the director Matthew Vaughn's diversity? Kick Ass, Layer Cake, and Stardust are all completely different films. I think he has a lot of potential as a director.

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Vaughan did Layer Cake? Sick movie

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#22 Xorital
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Most amateur reviews tend to be like that, best just to get over it.

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excuse me? Amateur? He's been a movie critic before you were born.

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#23 LoG-Sacrament
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[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]its a film made for comic book fans. its probably not going to speak most directly to a 70-something.Samurai_Xavier

Ebert is 67. He gave Watchmen a 4/4 and has given a lot of other comic book movies positive reviews. He loves anime movies too.

Ebert actually rates movies much higher than average than most other movie critics. Most of his reviews are positive, its pretty rare to see him give such a negative review to a movie like this.

he does have a history of putting his own moral standards (which most definitely arent coinciding with a younger generation majority). i remember him trashing blue velvet because he didnt like how nudity was presented.
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It's his opinion. I don't agree, but I can't change how he thinks I suppose.Dylan_11
This. No point getting upset over what someone else thinks.
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#25 Film-Guy
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[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

I haven't seen Kick Ass yet so I won't judge it, but I respect Roger Ebert. I think all critic's opinions mean nothing, but he has liked many films I have that most other critics have hated. For example he loved Synechoche new york, The Fall, and The Weather Man while most critics were not so kind. Also am I the only one who is impressed by the director Matthew Vaughn's diversity? Kick Ass, Layer Cake, and Stardust are all completely different films. I think he has a lot of potential as a director.

muzik_mafia

Vaughan did Layer Cake? Sick movie

Yeah you wouldn't think the same guy who made Layer cake made Kick Ass.

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[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]I've said this several times now, but I bet if Hit Girl was taken out of the movie and replaced with a talking CGI chimpanzee, Robert Ebert would then like the film. Why? Cause nothing would offend him anymore. He based his review entirely on his own moral beliefs and ignored the qualities of the actual film. I find that a very unprofessional way to review a movie. Movies are meant to be escapists from reality; and Kick-Ass, in a way, was just that, and Ebert seems to have forgotten that.biggest_loser
No I disagree on that. He is basing his opinion around what is in the film and judging what angle the filmmakers have taken. If it was a chimp then he would say how he felt about that character. Films can be escapism but people are always going to have different reactions and interpretations. Some will like it, some won't. If it doesn't appeal to you then it doesn't. It is critical to look at what a film is saying rather than just saying oh its escapism so we realise the point the director is trying to get across.

I've found plenty of films offensive, but I never let that take over my overall views of the quality of the films. Some of these films I found offensive I ended up loving. I try to think of a film for what it's meant to be, and not let my personal moral beliefs get in the way. I think Ebert let his own beliefs get in the way of what the quality of the film actually is. He's a great writer, don't get me wrong -- but what he wrote is better suited as an argumentative essay and not a film review.
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#27 chrisrooR
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
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#28 muzik_mafia
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[QUOTE="muzik_mafia"]

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

I haven't seen Kick Ass yet so I won't judge it, but I respect Roger Ebert. I think all critic's opinions mean nothing, but he has liked many films I have that most other critics have hated. For example he loved Synechoche new york, The Fall, and The Weather Man while most critics were not so kind. Also am I the only one who is impressed by the director Matthew Vaughn's diversity? Kick Ass, Layer Cake, and Stardust are all completely different films. I think he has a lot of potential as a director.

Film-Guy

Vaughan did Layer Cake? Sick movie

Yeah you wouldn't think the same guy who made Layer cake made Kick Ass.

Danny Craig and Sienna Miller FTW

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#29 Baranga
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Has anyone here seen the movie Ebert wrote? Boobs, decapitations, drugs and homophobia.

Sounds like fun to me.

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#30 Ninja-Bear
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If you think that was bad you should have seen the review the Daily Mail gave it. 'A crime to cinema' which supposedly glamorizes knife crime, gun crime, paedophilia and teen pregnancy.