so a noob to everything guitar and music i decided to buy a cheap 40$ guitar

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#1 dragonmaster64
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so a noob to everything guitar and music i decided to buy a cheap 40$ guitar. the reason why its cheap (refurbished) is because i just want to be able to try it out and see if ill like it. if i end up liking it ill prob invest in a more quality guitar, but me being a noob in music and guitars whats the next step i should take to becoming more better at using a guitar. i tried youtubing some videos on how to play guitar but it turned out to be quite difficult as some videos werent as clear and kind of hard to understand. any tips please?

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#2 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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Practice and play. A lot.

It will take 4-6 weeks for you to be able to move smoothly from basic chords without looking or having to place individual fingers. So it's easy to get discouraged. Once you get those down, move on to barre chords. If you master Barre chords there is basically nothing you cant play rythm too.

A beater instrument is not a bad thing to have around a times so I wouldn't be ashamed of your guitar, unless it's one of those Wal-Mart guitars or something.

Look at tabs, or better yet, learn the board and the real note names.

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Practice and play. A lot.

It will take 4-6 weeks for you to be able to move smoothly from basic chords without looking or having to place individual fingers. So it's easy to get discouraged. Once you get those down, move on to barre chords. If you master Barre chords there is basically nothing you cant play rythm too.

A beater instrument is not a bad thing to have around a times so I wouldn't be ashamed of your guitar, unless it's one of those Wal-Mart guitars or something.

Look at tabs, or better yet, learn the board and the real note names.

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its not from wallmart but now i really hope its not similar it seemed to play well, i think it was refurbished. heres hoping its not horrible.
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#5 dragonmaster64
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The only real problem with cheapo guitars is that newbies will find them tough to play and you may quit because of cheapo.

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can you please explain, why would newbies quit cheap quitars?
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A cheap guitar is better than no guitar.

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#7 dragonmaster64
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A cheap guitar is better than no guitar.

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thats good logic to me! lol. your right in the end might as well try on a cheap quitar.
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#8 LuminousNoises
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[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]

The only real problem with cheapo guitars is that newbies will find them tough to play and you may quit because of cheapo.

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can you please explain, why would newbies quit cheap quitars?

Cheaper guitars tend to be built poorly, harder to play, and will not always sound correct. The reason why beginners tend to be discouraged is because the guitar is hindering them from playing the guitar correctly. Not the other way around. For example, someone may have the correct fingering and dexterity, but the sound will be imperfect and may lead them to believe they are playing incorrectly. However, in reality, the guitar is the issue.

I've often heard how the change to a proper guitar made all the difference in learning. That pretty much goes for all instruments.

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#9 dragonmaster64
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well the thing is im not gonna shell out big bucks for something i might not enjoy, i think its a safer bet to buy a cheaper guitar use it any way i want, test it out and see if im good at it and then move from there.
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Just practice covering songs you like at first to focus on just being able to maneuver properly, then learning the concept of chords and keys. Then Scales. Just go on youtube learning guitar etc at first. I started just covering songs then branched out to making my own stuff.
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#11 nini200
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The absolute best advice anybody could give you if you're new to guitars or even if you're experienced, is to buy RockSmith. That game will have you playing songs using your real guitar (Now they added a Bass expansion as well) in no time. It teaches you everything. Tremolo, Chords, Double Stops, Finger Placement memory, sliding, scales, etc. It's a bit expensive but it is well worth it and is MUCH better than paying for a tutor.

Watch videos on youtube on it and you'll see.

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#12 DeX2010
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Not sure about guitar music specifically, but learn to read sheet music; it is very important when playing any instrument, although it may be less important for guitar players.
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#13 Gen007
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been playing since the age of 16 here and i can tell you already that buying that guitar probably wasn't the best move. My first guitar cost $200 and i had all sorts of problems with it that hindered my playing so i cant imagine you having anything even halfway decent for $40. It will end up working against you in the long run in many ways. That said i wish you luck. Im self taught and when i started i only played covers at first.

pro tip = Ultimate guitar.com is your best friend as a guitar player

I would just focus on learning basic techniques and you learn the all of the notes on the fretboard. Then starting some basic music theory is never bad either. Learn the major scale and how to play it in every key. After that learn basic chord theory. It will help a bunch.

Lastly, make sure you learn to properly pull off. I cant tell you how many times ive seen guitar players that dont understand how to perform a pull off. Hammer on is simple pull off is not even though it seems that way. If you simply pull off you wont get the proper sound you need to actually pull down and off the string.

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Depending on the guitar a cheap one can be quite a bit harder to play than a good one, because the strings tend to be much higher off the fretboard, making fingering notes and chords slower and more difficult. But a cheap guitar is definitely better than no guitar :D I think my first one cost $35.

For instructional material you could check out the book "Blues You Can Use" by John Ganapes. It comes with a CD of all the music that's in it so you can practice along. Starts you out very basic with chords and single note lines and works its way up to some really cool songs by the end. It also explains the pentatonic minor scale, introducing it step-by-step. That book's about 10,000 times better than what I started out with lol.

Edit: It looks like he's got Youtube videos of all the songs in the book too. Look up "Texas Blues John Ganapes" on Youtube for the first lesson.

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I take it it's an acoustic and not electric?

I ask simply because an electric is much easier to learn to play on. It's easier from a few points. String height is much lower so when learning cords and individual notes your hand and fingers are still trying to get behind the proper fret its easier for the note to sound without pressing down so hard. This will help from your hand cramping up. This is a hugedetergent in newcomers.

I mean for about 30 bucks more you can get alittle used Peavey amp and Fender Strat all day long at Guitar center.

Just keep that in mind if you want to move foward..

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The problem with cheap guitars is there's a reason they're cheap; it can be difficult to learn on a cheap guitar because the sound quality can be so poor and they can actually be pretty tough to play compared to a quality one.

Don't give up once you get going, you will fail very frequently when you first start no matter how good you might one day be. Learning how to play the guitar well takes tremendous patience and you can't be afraid to suck really bad for a while.

One of the most important things I've learned from teaching others the basics of how to play is don't go into it trying to play Metallica or Andy McKee. Stick to the simplest music at first, and this will allow you improve on your rythym and timing and also allow your hands to get used to moving along the guitar on their own.

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can anyone post any youtube videos tht they themselves have to be personally helpfull, there are alot out there that arent as helpfull.
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If you have a friend who can play guitar, let him/her give your cheap guitar a try and ask them to tell you how playable it is. If they think it's too hard to play, take it to someone who can set it up properly. A guitar that isn't properly adjusted will cause too much pain (literally, PAIN) and will make you want to quit.

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Firstly tune it correctly, the common tuning of a guitar is (from 6th string) EADGBE (to first string) not always but it's the conventional one.

Guitar fretboard to learn the notes

Guitar chords to learn chordsand keys, scales etc

Ultimate Guitar to learn songs

I used to just type into google back at the very start of playing guitar, what songs I liked and see if there was a video tutorial on it. You pick things up as you go conciously and subconciously then I started playing my own stuff and just started trying to learn the conventions of music making.

This seems okay although I ain't watched it just skimmed through, Just click on the learning guitar beginners lesson videos.

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Although he doesn't give lessons Fretkillr is my favorite guitar player on youtube
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so far iv found this person to be very helpful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vJw4S_9uWM. however i have a few questions which is easier, using a pick of handpick? also what are tabs and chords? thanks
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This course is about the best thing for a beginner. It does cost some, but it's a well-rounded package taking you far ahead of basics and onto intermediate level, both in technique and theory. As a novice in playing you have no clue where to start. That's why the course is the best thing for you (besides a tutor), it will literally put you on a course so that you don't get lost in this huge world. The course alone should take you about a year if you're dedicated and do all the tasks, not to mention it can probably be a lot more if you have less time on your hands and/or if you spend a lot of time creating your own stuff from the things you learned.

Learning guitar only through songs will be detrimental to playing your own stuff as you'll have less to work with since all you know is other people's work and lack theoretical knowledge. However you can pick up a cool lick or two from songs and it develops your technique.

If you don't want to spend any money, here's a rough guideline that includes stuff from the course which you can look up on youtube and I'm sure someone put something of quality.

First off: string names, tuning, pick holding, etc. any intro to guitar video should do if there are positive comments and thumbs up. I'd also recommend finger exercises and some easy melodies.

Second: Learn the notes on the fretboard, actually pretty easy as you only need to learn the ones on the last two (thickest) strings because the first and last strings are tuned the same so you learn both at the same time and the two middle ones are tuned that way so that the same note is two strings down, two frets left, on one of the two strings you learned. You'll need this for scales, barre chords etc. Try to learn some easy songs like jingle bells, fur elise and such, they'll help with picking hand precision. Timing is everything so use a metronome and always start off slow until you can play something clean and in time, then speed up. Remember those two things.

Third: Chords, from basic open ones and barre on 6th and 5th string to suspended, minor 7th, major 7th, all other kinds to spice up your playing. Also look up what chords to play in what key so it all makes more sense musically because it won't if you just play all the chords you know. Bunch of popular songs use only chords so you can go ahead and learn some. Fingerpicking is also interesting and often uses chords.

Fourth: Scales, pentatonic is the easiest and leaves less room for error, then blues, major, minor etc. in every key. For picking style, in the beginning use downstrokes. When you get to scales, look up alterate and economy picking as they are two most common picking styles and you can't do without them. Economy makes more sense to me but to each his own. You'll also hear of tapping and sweep picking but I'd recommend you leave those for later. Throw in some hammer-ons, pull-offs, bends, slides etc. and develop your own licks. Practice on backing tracks, there are a bunch of them to download on internet and on youtube. You'll probably sound uncreative and same-y when you first learn a scale and practice but you'll do better in time.

Eh that should cover the basics, from there on you can try to learn blues, jazz, rock, metal, more scales, practice speed and soloing, all kinds of stuff, you'll figure out what you want by then. Good luck.

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can anyone post any youtube videos tht they themselves have to be personally helpfull, there are alot out there that arent as helpfull.dragonmaster64

My whole strategy is that I'll try to play songs that I want to play, not songs I don't care about.

To that end, I recommend this guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/guitartutorman

I really like the layout of his videos. Info on each video will tell you the difficulty level. Video starts with letting you know up front what chords you'll be using. The next part, he shows you the chords as well as the strumming patterns in real time as he plays the song for you. Last part, he slowly breaks down the different parts of the song.

Also, I'll have to repeat what someone already suggested: Rocksmith. The bundle is little bit pricey for a beginner(like me), but if you're willing to spend the money, it's an excellent learning tool.

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#24 marinko123
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However i have a few questions which is easier, using a pick of handpick? also what are tabs and chords? thanksdragonmaster64
You can't really tell which is easier in general but for start, use a pick. Learn fingerpicking later when you're familiar with chords and changing them quickly because that's what you'll often use it for. Also fingerpicking has it's own technique to be learned, it's not just pluck any string with any finger.

Tabs (tablature) are what you see on the bottom of the video you linked on 4:50. Basically tells you what frets and strings to play. Chords are basically putting 2/3/4 even sometimes all 5 fingers on specific frets and striking all the strings at the same time (not always all string as you'll see, sometimes the thickest string is left out). For an easy example, put your first finger over the first three strings on the second fret. Now put the pick above open 4th string (unfretted, no finger is on it) and pull down, striking the first four strings. If you did it right, you played a sweet sounding Dmajor7th chord. Much easier to just look up chords on youtube but I though I'd show you the easiest chord I know for starters.

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#25 dragonmaster64
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the guitar i got was an Academy ACG38, i kind of realize know how the sounds are different.

this is it and the same place where i bought ithttp://www.shopxscargo.com/product_catalogue/cat_product_details.asp?category_id=28&product_code=30326&sub_category_1_id=139

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the guitar i got was an Academy ACG38, i kind of realize know how the sounds are different.

this is it and the same place where i bought ithttp://www.shopxscargo.com/product_catalogue/cat_product_details.asp?category_id=28&product_code=30326&sub_category_1_id=139

dragonmaster64
ahh, its an acoustic. When I first started playing, I started out with an acoustic.. its much harder to play on, but if thats all you can afford, then its better than no guitar at all. I have a relatively cheap electric guitar. I have a Charvel desolation DS-2 with Charvel Humbucking pickups, rosewood fretboard, ect.. so dont feel too bad. I started out by learning a couple of easy songs such as Green Day. I would learn basic chords and tabs and then move on to more advanced lessons. I would suggest visiting Ultimate Guitar, its an active community, and they offer lots of advice.
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[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]

the guitar i got was an Academy ACG38, i kind of realize know how the sounds are different.

this is it and the same place where i bought ithttp://www.shopxscargo.com/product_catalogue/cat_product_details.asp?category_id=28&product_code=30326&sub_category_1_id=139

CWEBB04z
ahh, its an acoustic. When I first started playing, I started out with an acoustic.. its much harder to play on, but if thats all you can afford, then its better than no guitar at all. I have a relatively cheap electric guitar. I have a Charvel desolation DS-2 with Charvel Humbucking pickups, rosewood fretboard, ect.. so dont feel too bad. I started out by learning a couple of easy songs such as Green Day. I would learn basic chords and tabs and then move on to more advanced lessons. I would suggest visiting Ultimate Guitar, its an active community, and they offer lots of advice.

the one major problem i have was that i was listening to a couple youtube videos of chords and realized when i tried to do them they would sound so differently. is this because of my cheap guitar? its really discouraging.
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[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"][QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]

the guitar i got was an Academy ACG38, i kind of realize know how the sounds are different.

this is it and the same place where i bought ithttp://www.shopxscargo.com/product_catalogue/cat_product_details.asp?category_id=28&product_code=30326&sub_category_1_id=139

dragonmaster64
ahh, its an acoustic. When I first started playing, I started out with an acoustic.. its much harder to play on, but if thats all you can afford, then its better than no guitar at all. I have a relatively cheap electric guitar. I have a Charvel desolation DS-2 with Charvel Humbucking pickups, rosewood fretboard, ect.. so dont feel too bad. I started out by learning a couple of easy songs such as Green Day. I would learn basic chords and tabs and then move on to more advanced lessons. I would suggest visiting Ultimate Guitar, its an active community, and they offer lots of advice.

the one major problem i have was that i was listening to a couple youtube videos of chords and realized when i tried to do them they would sound so differently. is this because of my cheap guitar? its really discouraging.

Tuning of the guitar maybe. What chords are you playing? are they simple open chords?
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#29 dragonmaster64
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my guess is it could be cheap guitar or poorly tuned. i just tried C major in this video and it sounds nothing alike. this is the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCG3YgSSqbQ around the 0.45 mark. (note i just got my guitar today)
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[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"][QUOTE="dragonmaster64"]

the guitar i got was an Academy ACG38, i kind of realize know how the sounds are different.

this is it and the same place where i bought ithttp://www.shopxscargo.com/product_catalogue/cat_product_details.asp?category_id=28&product_code=30326&sub_category_1_id=139

dragonmaster64

ahh, its an acoustic. When I first started playing, I started out with an acoustic.. its much harder to play on, but if thats all you can afford, then its better than no guitar at all. I have a relatively cheap electric guitar. I have a Charvel desolation DS-2 with Charvel Humbucking pickups, rosewood fretboard, ect.. so dont feel too bad. I started out by learning a couple of easy songs such as Green Day. I would learn basic chords and tabs and then move on to more advanced lessons. I would suggest visiting Ultimate Guitar, its an active community, and they offer lots of advice.

the one major problem i have was that i was listening to a couple youtube videos of chords and realized when i tried to do them they would sound so differently. is this because of my cheap guitar? its really discouraging.

is it tuned?

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well the thing is im not gonna shell out big bucks for something i might not enjoy, i think its a safer bet to buy a cheaper guitar use it any way i want, test it out and see if im good at it and then move from there.dragonmaster64
Well you can always do it how I did it. I learned on one of the hardest steel strings I've ever laid my hands on. The action was high, you needed a lot of pressure to get correct fretting and sound to avoid buzzing. That guitar hurt to play. But then, when I moved to an actual higher quality guitar, well, it just felt really easy. So sometimes playing a cheaper instrument has its benefits, but try not to get discouraged.
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some noob advice:

1) buy a tuner, use i every time you play. in the beginning check your tuning every 20-30 minutes. after a month or 2 of playing your ears should naturally adjust enough to be able to tell when its really out of tune (it might take longer, don't sweat it) and you can start just tuning it as needed

2) spend another $40 and get it professionally set up and intoned. alot of cheapie guitars have the strings set really high and often with thick gauge strings that make it hard for beginners to enjoy playing. i've heard so many "oh my god my fingertips hurt SOOOO bad" that could've been avoided

3) take it slow - you wanna be awesome at your instrument you have to learn how to play it right. theres a lot of things involved in proper playing (that a lot of guitarists don't do) do these things and it will increase your proficiency exponentially. check out classically trained guitarists for ideas on posture, fingerboard placement / position & relative hand positions.

if you have any questions or anything IM me.

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[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"] ahh, its an acoustic. When I first started playing, I started out with an acoustic.. its much harder to play on, but if thats all you can afford, then its better than no guitar at all. I have a relatively cheap electric guitar. I have a Charvel desolation DS-2 with Charvel Humbucking pickups, rosewood fretboard, ect.. so dont feel too bad. I started out by learning a couple of easy songs such as Green Day. I would learn basic chords and tabs and then move on to more advanced lessons. I would suggest visiting Ultimate Guitar, its an active community, and they offer lots of advice. CWEBB04z

the one major problem i have was that i was listening to a couple youtube videos of chords and realized when i tried to do them they would sound so differently. is this because of my cheap guitar? its really discouraging.

is it tuned?

it didnt come tuned i had to tune it myself, its my first experience with a guitar so i just tuned it so it wouldnt be loose.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZDjWLwqAPY&list= therego
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#35 LordQuorthon
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1) buy a tuner,z4twenny

Better yet, since yours is an acoustic guitar, download one. Android, iOS and Windows Mobile stores offer great free tuners and even better cheap ones.

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[QUOTE="dragonmaster64"] it didnt come tuned i had to tune it myself, its my first experience with a guitar so i just tuned it so it wouldnt be loose.

Make sure the strings are actually tuned to the correct note.
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#37 nini200
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Seriously Dragonmaster64, the only thing you Need to be looking at is Rocksmith.

It has a built in Tuner that you have to tune before each song so you can get used to hearing the correct sound for each string, you can invert the strings for actual tab playing, it has everything you need to learn and play the guitar efficiently.

It features alot if not all of the effect pedals that you can set up as well as training modes on all the techniques of the guitar as well as an arcade style training mode where you can play games by using guitar techniques.

The advice from everybody else is good and all but if you really want to learn the guitar and want to have fun doing it, get Rocksmith. It's the best Guitar tutor you can get.

Look at this video on it:

Rocksmith

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#38 PinkiePirate
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Save up for the Yamaha FG700S. It's the most well-built budget guitar there is.

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#39 dragonmaster64
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Seriously Dragonmaster64, the only thing you Need to be looking at is Rocksmith.

It has a built in Tuner that you have to tune before each song so you can get used to hearing the correct sound for each string, you can invert the strings for actual tab playing, it has everything you need to learn and play the guitar efficiently.

It features alot if not all of the effect pedals that you can set up as well as training modes on all the techniques of the guitar as well as an arcade style training mode where you can play games by using guitar techniques.

The advice from everybody else is good and all but if you really want to learn the guitar and want to have fun doing it, get Rocksmith. It's the best Guitar tutor you can get.

Look at this video on it:

Rocksmith

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thanks for that reply but i just realized it may not be an option as my guitar does not have an input jack of any kind. it was cheap and acoustic.
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#40 Optical_Order
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the guitar i got was an Academy ACG38, i kind of realize know how the sounds are different.

this is it and the same place where i bought ithttp://www.shopxscargo.com/product_catalogue/cat_product_details.asp?category_id=28&product_code=30326&sub_category_1_id=139

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Whoo boy that is a sh!t guitar. :P

Your action is probably a mile high and it most likely won't stay in tune for very long. I guess it's okay if it's just a trial run to see if you even like guitar though.

Generally, the more you spend on an acoustic guitar, the better it is, and the more you'll enjoy it. If you ever buy another one, buy one that at least has a solid top, or an all solid wood guitar if possible.

Check out marty schwartz on youtube. He makes a bunch of very easy beginner guitar videos that are easy to follow. Also, don't bother trying to learn scales and/or theory right away. Just learn how to play some open chords and go from there.

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#41 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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Save up for the Yamaha FG700S. It's the most well-built budget guitar there is.

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Yeah boy. I have that model in a Sunburst. Although I play a lot of Mandolin now.
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#42 KHAndAnime
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The best advice I can give you is don't let Rocksmith teach you guitar. ;)
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#43 dragonmaster64
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so i found this on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmChNlDknbM&list=FLbIQdAbnTDha54ZFEJuWgIQ&feature=mh_lolz and it looks very very promising Lol