so i pretty much got screwed over by my lab partner...

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In my comp sci college course, we got assigned lab partners. I had a good thing going with being partners with one of my friends (we were getting all A's and B's on the labs), but for whatever reason, the professor ignored our requests to continue being partners, and I got stuck with some jock who knows nothing about computer science.

That was about 3 weeks ago. flash forward to now, and we only ever get C's or D's on our labs. My lab partner starts giving me crap when I asked him if he did his portion of the lab we were working on (or I was working on, since he was gone that day due to a family emergency). So we make plans to meet that weekend to finish the lab off. That weekend, he tells me that he hadnt worked on his parts of it at all and had dropped the class, which pretty much means that He left me with a 2 person's worth of work lab assignment thats about 20% done. I asked the professor for an extension and a new lab partner. He extended it about a day, but gave me no new partner. So now, the assignment is due tomorrow, and I got about 1/10th of a lab done because I cant figure out the rest.

what, OT, should I do?

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In my comp sci college course, we got assigned lab partners. I had a good thing going with being partners with one of my friends (we were getting all A's and B's on the labs), but for whatever reason, the professor ignored our requests to continue being partners, and I got stuck with some jock who knows nothing about computer science.

That was about 3 weeks ago. flash forward to now, and we only ever get C's or D's on our labs. My lab partner starts giving me crap when I asked him if he did his portion of the lab we were working on (or I was working on, since he was gone that day due to a family emergency). So we make plans to meet that weekend to finish the lab off. That weekend, he tells me that he hadnt worked on his parts of it at all and had dropped the class, which pretty much means that He left me with a 2 person's worth of work lab assignment thats about 20% done. I asked the professor for an extension and a new lab partner. He extended it about a day, but gave me no new partner. So now, the assignment is due tomorrow, and I got about 1/10th of a lab done because I cant figure out the rest.

what, OT, should I do?

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Stop posting on OT and work on your assignment. Yes, it sucks what happened to you, but right now you have to put all your time and effort in making this right.

I believe in you TC !

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[QUOTE="Neo-ganon"]

In my comp sci college course, we got assigned lab partners. I had a good thing going with being partners with one of my friends (we were getting all A's and B's on the labs), but for whatever reason, the professor ignored our requests to continue being partners, and I got stuck with some jock who knows nothing about computer science.

That was about 3 weeks ago. flash forward to now, and we only ever get C's or D's on our labs. My lab partner starts giving me crap when I asked him if he did his portion of the lab we were working on (or I was working on, since he was gone that day due to a family emergency). So we make plans to meet that weekend to finish the lab off. That weekend, he tells me that he hadnt worked on his parts of it at all and had dropped the class, which pretty much means that He left me with a 2 person's worth of work lab assignment thats about 20% done. I asked the professor for an extension and a new lab partner. He extended it about a day, but gave me no new partner. So now, the assignment is due tomorrow, and I got about 1/10th of a lab done because I cant figure out the rest.

what, OT, should I do?

Sagem28

Stop posting on OT and work on your assignment. Yes, it sucks what happened to you, but right now you have to put all your time and effort in making this right.

I believe in you TC !

cant now. I have no idea how to finish it. Like my mind just blanks out when i see the code.

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Wiggum

I think you know what to do

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Go Get 'Em, Tiger! :) Not much you can do at this point but to try and find help before its due.
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You should have informed your professor early on once you felt your partner wasn't doing his fair share of work. Sometimes, it may help if the professor knows about the situation early, since some professors may be inclined to be more lenient on your grades or be more forgiving in terms of deadlines in cases like this. It's a bit too late now for all this though. Do your best to finish as much of your assignment as you can. Good luck.
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Sounds like you're unlucky and got stuck with a lab supervisor who doesn't give a **** about the students. If ever there was a reason to grant an extension, certainly "the guy you forced me to work with on this group project dropped the class" is one of them.
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hot damn, you DID get screwed...sounds like you need to equip the bumrush garment grid and get crackin.

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Instead of wasting time on OT go do your homework.
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Get as much done as you can (like 51% at least) and if he's a reasonable, he might help you out. Have you ever talked to him or been to his office hours?
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1. Life is not fair, never was/never will be 2. School teaches things beyond the actual 'lessons' (socialization) -as such, this 'lesson' will prepare you for life in the real world/in the workplace -so you need to adapt and succeed or fail I always laughed when students complained about things 'not being fair'
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It's been 10 years since I graduated from college but It seems with "group" projects 90% of the time you get a partner who just wants to ride on the shoulders of everyone else to get pass a class. I agree you should have alerted your prof about the situation earlier but in my experience they seem to feel that part of the group dynamic is to crack the whip on the slackers which is "supposed" to force the group to work. I once had a 5 person group project and in the end it became me and just one other member of the group putting the time in to complete the project. The worst part was this project was worth 70% of our grade for the year and we (the other guy and I) managed top pull off a 5 person work load on 2 people with a high B grade. Sadly what seems to happen here is you have 3 kinds of peers in college (which is amazing since it costs money to go to college) those who want to do their best, those who just want to slide by, and worst, those who don't even want to be there. With group projects they seem to decide to try to force good students into groups that try to reform the last two examples of students.
Not to jump on steriotypes but what I think happened to you is the "jock" got a scholarship to be in college (while I assume your footing most of your tuition) and your prof tried to make said partner be able to pass since apparenly he wasn't doing with his previous group. I've been there it sucks, but your best line of defense is to clear your mind and then get focused on doing your best at your project and if you ace it it will prove that your partner was a bane to your group. Being your grade dropped dramatically with your new partner his work out put tells me you have been doing most all the work yourself anyway. Think about that a moment and get to your project, I honestly wih you the best!
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It's obvious what you should do. You should present an argument to your instructor showing him why you shouldn't be graded as a group and how your grades would have been reflected differently if you had a more capable partner. And guess what? You can do that because you have a different set of grades from your other group you were once working with. In fact it's such a great argument that it even shows he shouldn't be grading you as groups to begin with because he has no way of knowing which person in the original group was actually doing the real quality work.
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It's obvious what you should do. You should present an argument to your instructor showing him why you shouldn't be graded as a group and how your grades would have been reflected differently if you had a more capable partner. And guess what? You can do that because you have a different set of grades from your other group you were once working with. In fact it's such a great argument that it even shows he shouldn't be grading you as groups to begin with because he has no way of knowing which person in the original group was actually doing the real quality work.UniverseIX
And I would laugh in his face (have done, would do again as a teacher)... Then I would explain that he is learning a life lesson (one he should have already learned): That many times in life you win/succeed/pass/etc as a group...especially in the workforce. Most bosses don't care if one person did great if the project failed.
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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]It's obvious what you should do. You should present an argument to your instructor showing him why you shouldn't be graded as a group and how your grades would have been reflected differently if you had a more capable partner. And guess what? You can do that because you have a different set of grades from your other group you were once working with. In fact it's such a great argument that it even shows he shouldn't be grading you as groups to begin with because he has no way of knowing which person in the original group was actually doing the real quality work.rawsavon
And I would laugh in his face (have done, would do again as a teacher)... Then I would explain that he is learning a life lesson (one he should have already learned): That many times in life you win/succeed/pass/etc as a group...especially in the workforce. Most bosses don't care if one person did great if the project failed.

I understand that mentality. but what I also understand is that he's in a rough spot and needs to do something and you're telling him it's too late. This is where he is now. AND you don't even know the full context of the course he's taking or why he's being graded as a group to begin with. SO, you really have no place to make such a comment unless you assume all assigned group work is universal in nature and it's not. A smart teacher would listen to his students if they presented an adequete argument expressing their dilemma. And you know what? A lot of them will. The worst teachers don't know how to compromise. IT's probably why you aren't one anymore.

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I dont like any class or assignment that depends on others for the grade. You should be graded on your efforts, not the work of others.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="UniverseIX"]It's obvious what you should do. You should present an argument to your instructor showing him why you shouldn't be graded as a group and how your grades would have been reflected differently if you had a more capable partner. And guess what? You can do that because you have a different set of grades from your other group you were once working with. In fact it's such a great argument that it even shows he shouldn't be grading you as groups to begin with because he has no way of knowing which person in the original group was actually doing the real quality work.UniverseIX

And I would laugh in his face (have done, would do again as a teacher)... Then I would explain that he is learning a life lesson (one he should have already learned): That many times in life you win/succeed/pass/etc as a group...especially in the workforce. Most bosses don't care if one person did great if the project failed.

I understand that mentality. but what I also understand is that he's in a rough spot and needs to do something and you're telling him it's too late. This is where he is now. AND you don't even know the full context of the course he's taking or why he's being graded as a group to begin with. SO, you really have no place to make such a comment unless you assume all assigned group work is universal in nature and it's not. A smart teacher would listen to his students if they presented an adequete argument expressing their dilemma. And you know what? A lot of them will. The worst teachers don't know how to compromise. IT's probably why you aren't one anymore.

I am not one, b/c I chose to leave the profession to make more money...nothing more. Math teachers can get a job anytime they want one (same with science). Bosses don't care for the excuses (IRL) if a major project fails. Group work is meant to teach lessons far beyond the 'material'...that's the point. If it was only about learning the material, individual grading would be the best method of determining success. But that is not what it is about...at all. There is a reason they are graded as a group (looking for group success, not individual mastery). Now life does 'happen'. Most bosses will care if your spouse dies (for example). But just having a bad partner won't cut it. Learning to deal with less than desirable classmates/coworkers is a major part of what is being taught. So barring any major life issue, I would laugh at him and explain the rationale...then grade him accordingly
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I dont like any class or assignment that depends on others for the grade. You should be graded on your efforts, not the work of others.

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This is why classes requiring group work should require the groups to submit a task allocation form that lists the tasks each group member handled, as well as a peer review form where each group member rates and comments on their fellow group members. It's what my university does for most classes with group work, and it works well.
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I dont like any class or assignment that depends on others for the grade. You should be graded on your efforts, not the work of others.

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This is why classes requiring group work should require the groups to submit a task allocation form that lists the tasks each group member handled, as well as a peer review form where each group member rates and comments on their fellow group members. It's what my university does for most classes with group work, and it works well.

Never understood that approach (from an educational standpoint) TBH. -if you want to gauge individual mastery, then grade individually -the method you mentioned creates more work for the teacher (some teachers like group work b/c it is less to grade...so they are not getting that benefit) -it lessons the impact of the social lesson b/c there is the safety net -teaches some lessons that do not transfer to real life
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]1. Life is not fair, never was/never will be 2. School teaches things beyond the actual 'lessons' (socialization) -as such, this 'lesson' will prepare you for life in the real world/in the workplace -so you need to adapt and succeed or fail I always laughed when students complained about things 'not being fair'

no he got screwed by a stupid professor who woke up on the wrong side of the bed
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[QUOTE="UniverseIX"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] And I would laugh in his face (have done, would do again as a teacher)... Then I would explain that he is learning a life lesson (one he should have already learned): That many times in life you win/succeed/pass/etc as a group...especially in the workforce. Most bosses don't care if one person did great if the project failed.rawsavon

I understand that mentality. but what I also understand is that he's in a rough spot and needs to do something and you're telling him it's too late. This is where he is now. AND you don't even know the full context of the course he's taking or why he's being graded as a group to begin with. SO, you really have no place to make such a comment unless you assume all assigned group work is universal in nature and it's not. A smart teacher would listen to his students if they presented an adequete argument expressing their dilemma. And you know what? A lot of them will. The worst teachers don't know how to compromise. IT's probably why you aren't one anymore.

I am not one, b/c I chose to leave the profession to make more money...nothing more. Math teachers can get a job anytime they want one (same with science). Bosses don't care for the excuses (IRL) if a major project fails. Group work is meant to teach lessons far beyond the 'material'...that's the point. If it was only about learning the material, individual grading would be the best method of determining success. But that is not what it is about...at all. There is a reason they are graded as a group (looking for group success, not individual mastery). Now life does 'happen'. Most bosses will care if your spouse dies (for example). But just having a bad partner won't cut it. Learning to deal with less than desirable classmates/coworkers is a major part of what is being taught. So barring any major life issue, I would laugh at him and explain the rationale...then grade him accordingly

I agree, while it would be wonderful to be able to argue a point and get what you want, it rarely works that way in real life. What apparently some college students do not realize is that groups aren't meant for making the work easier it is a technique mainly used to get 2-? groups of different people together and manage to get a project done while working through said differences. College classes and projects aren't just for giggles they are, as with most college things, examples of making you become a leader in your field once you graduate. This isn't HS where your forced to go, this is college where your paying to be able to do a specific job! IRL if you put two employees to a task of making 5 computers for one of your contracts and they fail to do it, no matter what the reason, is the person you have the contracts with going to accept an answer of ,"Well Bob and Jim had this issue working together...."? No, you would lose the contract (money). Just to say this, I feel you may be a bit out of line attacking Rawsavon about his current career since nothing he/she posted deemed such an attack.
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what kind of university you going to, TC where they have assigned groups? that's some BS, even in high school you got to choose your partners
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HS groups were a popularity thing College is normally about working with people not in your clique. When at a job (if not the boss) you normally don't get to choose who you work with.
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HS groups were a popularity thing College is normally about working with people not in your clique. When at a job (if not the boss) you normally don't get to choose who you work with.wolfbm
rofl college is not at all like "a job"
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In my comp sci college course, we got assigned lab partners. I had a good thing going with being partners with one of my friends (we were getting all A's and B's on the labs), but for whatever reason, the professor ignored our requests to continue being partners, and I got stuck with some jock who knows nothing about computer science.

That was about 3 weeks ago. flash forward to now, and we only ever get C's or D's on our labs. My lab partner starts giving me crap when I asked him if he did his portion of the lab we were working on (or I was working on, since he was gone that day due to a family emergency). So we make plans to meet that weekend to finish the lab off. That weekend, he tells me that he hadnt worked on his parts of it at all and had dropped the class, which pretty much means that He left me with a 2 person's worth of work lab assignment thats about 20% done. I asked the professor for an extension and a new lab partner. He extended it about a day, but gave me no new partner. So now, the assignment is due tomorrow, and I got about 1/10th of a lab done because I cant figure out the rest.

what, OT, should I do?

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Your story sounds unreliable. How did you go from 20% (2/10) to 10% (1/10)?
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Instead of wasting time on OT go do your homework.Sandulf29
My thoughts as well:|

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Lamers you didn't get extra time or a seperate assignment or something like that.
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you'd think that the people in an actual real world workplace situation would at least be qualified to handle the situations, and additionally has both the motivation of money behind him or her. it's too bad you got stuck with a deadbeat. i just can't agree with those who say 'that's life', because you know what, i'd rather have my education gauged on my actual skill, not a by chance failure that was not even your own. **** happens
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]1. Life is not fair, never was/never will be 2. School teaches things beyond the actual 'lessons' (socialization) -as such, this 'lesson' will prepare you for life in the real world/in the workplace -so you need to adapt and succeed or fail I always laughed when students complained about things 'not being fair'Jandurin
no he got screwed by a stupid professor who woke up on the wrong side of the bed

also, a life lesson (see bad boss)

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college is not like a job
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[QUOTE="wolfbm"]HS groups were a popularity thing College is normally about working with people not in your clique. When at a job (if not the boss) you normally don't get to choose who you work with.Jandurin
rofl college is not at all like "a job"

No, but, IMO, the purpose of HS and college is to prepare students (as best as they can) for the next 'level'...which is a job (hopefully). Though I wonder if this will lead to a conversation about philosophical differences about the purpose of HS/college
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]No, but, IMO, the purpose of HS and college is to prepare students (as best as they can) for the next 'level'...which is a job (hopefully). Though I wonder if this will lead to a conversation about philosophical differences about the purpose of HS/college

at a job, people are motivated to keep their job bc it gets them money
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[QUOTE="silentexistence"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

I dont like any class or assignment that depends on others for the grade. You should be graded on your efforts, not the work of others.

rawsavon
This is why classes requiring group work should require the groups to submit a task allocation form that lists the tasks each group member handled, as well as a peer review form where each group member rates and comments on their fellow group members. It's what my university does for most classes with group work, and it works well.

Never understood that approach (from an educational standpoint) TBH. -if you want to gauge individual mastery, then grade individually -the method you mentioned creates more work for the teacher (some teachers like group work b/c it is less to grade...so they are not getting that benefit) -it lessons the impact of the social lesson b/c there is the safety net -teaches some lessons that do not transfer to real life

I should add that I do see the merit of that approach in junior high. ...that method is akin to riding a bike with training wheels (the beginning steps of leaning how to work in groups) So I would use it at that level. But, as stated earlier, IMO the purpose of HS/college is to prepare for the next stage in life...which is hopefully a job. -so using that method in junior high would prepare for HS -but using it as the HS/college level is doing a disservice to the student
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]No, but, IMO, the purpose of HS and college is to prepare students (as best as they can) for the next 'level'...which is a job (hopefully). Though I wonder if this will lead to a conversation about philosophical differences about the purpose of HS/college

at a job, people are motivated to keep their job bc it gets them money

one could make similar arguments about college (classes cost them money, there 99% of the time by choice to get a degree to get a job)...HS not so much I guess. But these same people with varying degrees of motivation don't just stop existing IRL (unfortunately in some cases)
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expected sexy thread was not sexy
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#36 wolfbm
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]No, but, IMO, the purpose of HS and college is to prepare students (as best as they can) for the next 'level'...which is a job (hopefully). Though I wonder if this will lead to a conversation about philosophical differences about the purpose of HS/college

at a job, people are motivated to keep their job bc it gets them money

And at college you are "motivated" to make your life better by your education which you actively made the decision to pay money for. The supposed purpose of college is to make you MORE money...thats your motivation! I have 3 degrees so...yes college was my job for a while.
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And at college you are "motivated" to make your life better by your education which you actively made the decision to pay money for. The supposed purpose of college is to make you MORE money...thats your motivation! I have 3 degrees so...yes college was my job for a while.wolfbm
nah that's not how it works, bro
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#38 wolfbm
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While my time at college I was a 3.8 gpa student was focused on my study and knew what the purpose was for my time there. So,yeah, for me that is how it works. Just curious, have you ever heard the saying while working on your degree ,"college career"? I wonder why it's called that?
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#39 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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While my time at college I was a 3.8 gpa student was focused on my study and knew what the purpose was for my time there. So,yeah, for me that is how it works. Just curious, have you ever heard the saying while working on your degree ,"college career"? I wonder why it's called that?wolfbm
just curious but did you notice how other people in school weren't so serious?
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Never understood that approach (from an educational standpoint) TBH. -if you want to gauge individual mastery, then grade individually -the method you mentioned creates more work for the teacher (some teachers like group work b/c it is less to grade...so they are not getting that benefit) -it lessons the impact of the social lesson b/c there is the safety net -teaches some lessons that do not transfer to real life

I should add that I do see the merit of that approach in junior high. ...that method is akin to riding a bike with training wheels (the beginning steps of leaning how to work in groups) So I would use it at that level. But, as stated earlier, IMO the purpose of HS/college is to prepare for the next stage in life...which is hopefully a job. -so using that method in junior high would prepare for HS -but using it as the HS/college level is doing a disservice to the student

Well, after the semester starts, classes and groups are pretty much fixed, so it'd be difficult to remove a student from one group and put them in another just because they weren't pulling their weight. This is why the system exists, so the rest of the group can just do their best to make up for the student's lack of contribution to the group, and then when peer review rolls around, the student in question gets low marks due to their failure to work properly with the group. This is sort of different in the workplace, where a boss can decide to replace someone in a project team if they aren't doing their work, not to mention that the boss also has an interest in seeing the project succeed. If the boss is unreasonable however, then the rest of the team pretty much has to tough it out.
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#41 wolfbm
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[QUOTE="wolfbm"]While my time at college I was a 3.8 gpa student was focused on my study and knew what the purpose was for my time there. So,yeah, for me that is how it works. Just curious, have you ever heard the saying while working on your degree ,"college career"? I wonder why it's called that?Jandurin
just curious but did you notice how other people in school weren't so serious?

When money is coming out of MY pocket to pay for something, thats all I need to be serious about it.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="wolfbm"]While my time at college I was a 3.8 gpa student was focused on my study and knew what the purpose was for my time there. So,yeah, for me that is how it works. Just curious, have you ever heard the saying while working on your degree ,"college career"? I wonder why it's called that?wolfbm
just curious but did you notice how other people in school weren't so serious?

When money is coming out of MY pocket to pay for something, thats all I need to be serious about it.

He asked you about OTHER people...
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#43 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="wolfbm"]While my time at college I was a 3.8 gpa student was focused on my study and knew what the purpose was for my time there. So,yeah, for me that is how it works. Just curious, have you ever heard the saying while working on your degree ,"college career"? I wonder why it's called that?wolfbm
just curious but did you notice how other people in school weren't so serious?

When money is coming out of MY pocket to pay for something, thats all I need to be serious about it.

that wasn't what i asked at all
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#44 wolfbm
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My mistake, honestly as I posted before there were 3 groups, those who wanted to do their best,those who just wanted to get by, and those who didn't care. To fully answer your question yes about 80% were as serious as I was, maybe more so than I seeing we had a few 4.0's. Literally there were crowds of people in the library constantly as well as the monitored computer labs. We had quite a few returning adults and their level of dedication surpassed mine as well as the others. Yes, we had the partiers and good time students but honestly I can say the majority of us were there for our education.
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My mistake, honestly as I posted before there were 3 groups, those who wanted to do their best,those who just wanted to get by, and those who didn't care. To fully answer your question yes about 80% were as serious as I was, maybe more so than I seeing we had a few 4.0's. Literally there were crowds of people in the library constantly as well as the monitored computer labs. We had quite a few returning adults and their level of dedication surpassed mine as well as the others. Yes, we had the partiers and good time students but honestly I can say the majority of us were there for our education. wolfbm
right but if you were forced into a group with the 20% that were just f***ing around, wouldn't you be angry? As you said, YOU are paying THEM to teach you and they're separating you from a friend whom you work well with and sticking you with some dumb jock type who then drops the class? if i were the TC i would have complained to the teacher, then to his superior if necessary
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[QUOTE="silentexistence"][QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Never understood that approach (from an educational standpoint) TBH. -if you want to gauge individual mastery, then grade individually -the method you mentioned creates more work for the teacher (some teachers like group work b/c it is less to grade...so they are not getting that benefit) -it lessons the impact of the social lesson b/c there is the safety net -teaches some lessons that do not transfer to real life

I should add that I do see the merit of that approach in junior high. ...that method is akin to riding a bike with training wheels (the beginning steps of leaning how to work in groups) So I would use it at that level. But, as stated earlier, IMO the purpose of HS/college is to prepare for the next stage in life...which is hopefully a job. -so using that method in junior high would prepare for HS -but using it as the HS/college level is doing a disservice to the student

Well, after the semester starts, classes and groups are pretty much fixed, so it'd be difficult to remove a student from one group and put them in another just because they weren't pulling their weight. This is why the system exists, so the rest of the group can just do their best to make up for the student's lack of contribution to the group, and then when peer review rolls around, the student in question gets low marks due to their failure to work properly with the group. This is sort of different in the workplace, where a boss can decide to replace someone in a project team if they aren't doing their work, not to mention that the boss also has an interest in seeing the project succeed. If the boss is unreasonable however, then the rest of the team pretty much has to tough it out.

to get some clarification: the whole class/semester is group projects? if so, that changes the way an educator can grade (as opposed to most classes where group work is only a % of the total work)
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] to get some clarification: the whole class/semester is group projects? if so, that changes the way an educator can grade (as opposed to most classes where group work is only a % of the total work)

Nah, group work doesn't make up the total grade for a class. It's just one component, which is typically a lab project. The rest of the grade comes from quizzes and exams.
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If you get a bad grade to can contest it. :3
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#49 wolfbm
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I never said I didn't agree with the OP frustration of the situation in fact I went quite in depth with a similar situation that happened to me. Yes, I got upset at the time being it was 2 of us doing a 5 person project for 70% of our class grade but in the end the project HAD to get done. The only problem is say his class had 10 students that means 5 groups of 2 so if the prof did the "right thing as most think" and gave him a new partner that means 1 of those 5 groups would also have 1 member now. What I originally stated was that i'm betting what happened is the OP and his previous partner were doing well (as stated) and some jock who got to college through a sports scholarship was failing. So in an effort to keep their sports team strong they unfortunatly put him with the Oper in an attempt to let the jock pass. Hence why most NFL players have degrees non of us have even heard of. Is this wrong? Yes! But sadly in the same token I can name you at least 5 times (minus the sports part) in my current job where this same situation has happened to me. Whereas I work hard and I lose the coworker, who works as hard as I do, and get a replacement who basically just wants to go home.
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[QUOTE="silentexistence"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] to get some clarification: the whole class/semester is group projects? if so, that changes the way an educator can grade (as opposed to most classes where group work is only a % of the total work)

Nah, group work doesn't make up the total grade for a class. It's just one component, which is typically a lab project. The rest of the grade comes from quizzes and exams.

Oh, I would do as I said earlier then. Would only grade in the manner your school does if it was the whole class/grade or a vast majority