So Obama is a bad president?

I'm not much for politics, but didn't the national debt skyrocket in the months after he took office?monkeytoes61

[QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Nothing like making crap up for an opertunity to bash Fox News. 8)

BMD004

He has the power to sign or veto any bill passed by congress. He signed the single most expensive and irresponsible spending bill in US history saying that it will keep unemployment from going above 8 percent, and it didn't.UT_Wrestler

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]I'm not much for politics, but didn't the national debt skyrocket in the months after he took office?Acemaster27

[QUOTE="stiggy321"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Since when do we have to have car insurance?

BMD004

You could argue that LIVING impacts other people's well-being. Read some articles about hospitals losing millions because they're required to take in burn victims that blew themselves up in their own meth labs (obviously people that don't have insurance).

Hospitals losing money means they:

A. Receive extra funding from the government. OH HEY OUR TAXES

B. Cut funding in other areas, essentially lessening the quality of care other patients receive.

If you so truly believe we shouldn't be required to have health insurance, then you should also argue that people be given the choice of either picking up insurance or being able to opt out of emergency room care (ie hospitals will have the right to turn you away in a medical emergency).

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]I'm not much for politics, but didn't the national debt skyrocket in the months after he took office?Acemaster27

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="ColonelDrakePS3"] he may be exagaretting but he is spot on about Fox News.. Instead of Fox news calling him satan they just call him a Nazi, a socialist, a racist and a communist and scream how he wants to destroy america only the fact remains he has done opposite since taking office.sexy-hippo

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="stiggy321"] If you own a car you have to have car insurance. I hate Obama because he is a conservative and the things he promised to do... he is not doing. I'm not sure if that's "his" fault... but he is the president, and was coming in after a president who had more signing statements than any 2 presidents combined. The same president who also tried to establish the "unitrary executive." Oh, and Obama was also coming into the worst debt and federal deficit in US history, ever. Chutebox... george bush took a 450 billion dollar tax surplus, and turned it into a 780 billion dollar loss. Technically, half of the "skyrocket" was carried over from a bush initative. The other half was, arguably, an emergency to not let virtually every business go bankrupt. I guess we'll see about that though.IzzieWaru

You could argue that LIVING impacts other people's well-being. Read some articles about hospitals losing millions because they're required to take in burn victims that blew themselves up in their own meth labs (obviously people that don't have insurance).

Hospitals losing money means they:

A. Receive extra funding from the government. OH HEY OUR TAXES

B. Cut funding in other areas, essentially lessening the quality of care other patients receive.

If you so truly believe we shouldn't be required to have health insurance, then you should also argue that people be given the choice of either picking up insurance or being able to opt out of emergency room care (ie hospitals will have the right to turn you away in a medical emergency).

[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] You don't have to have car insurance, since you don't have to have a car. And you are only required to have liability.. because you affect other people on the road.BMD004

You could argue that LIVING impacts other people's well-being. Read some articles about hospitals losing millions because they're required to take in burn victims that blew themselves up in their own meth labs (obviously people that don't have insurance).

Hospitals losing money means they:

A. Receive extra funding from the government. OH HEY OUR TAXES

B. Cut funding in other areas, essentially lessening the quality of care other patients receive.

If you so truly believe we shouldn't be required to have health insurance, then you should also argue that people be given the choice of either picking up insurance or being able to opt out of emergency room care (ie hospitals will have the right to turn you away in a medical emergency).

A serious medical emergency for one person can easily rack up to a million dollars. You think someone that can't afford insurance is going to have a million dollars worth of possessions?

[QUOTE="jamejame"]

I think he's an absolutely horrid president, partially because I don't agree with his politics, but also because he literally hasn't done a thing to help this country that hasn't been liberally biased. Obviously, if he's a liberal president he'll push his liberal agendas, I understand and accept that, but refusing help on the oil spill from 24 countries who were perfectly outfitted to come in and save our ass? That is ridiculous. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but since the spill began its been nothing but a ploy to stop offshore drilling. Thankfully some judges have sense, but has that stopped Obama from rewriting the bill to stop offshore drilling three times now? Nope. My dislike of him comes not from the fact that he's liberal, Bill Clinton while by no means a perfect president, was an example of things going well on both sides of the spectrum while under a president with a very liberal agenda, but Obama is simply a poor president... either that or a man with an agenda that certainly does not involve our county's best interests, whether you're liberal or not.

unityskater

Actually before this whole spill happened he was trying to to push for more offshore drilling

[QUOTE="Acemaster27"][QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]I'm not much for politics, but didn't the national debt skyrocket in the months after he took office?BMD004

Honestly though I don't think that the economy will ever recover to it's original state.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

You could argue that LIVING impacts other people's well-being. Read some articles about hospitals losing millions because they're required to take in burn victims that blew themselves up in their own meth labs (obviously people that don't have insurance).

Hospitals losing money means they:

A. Receive extra funding from the government. OH HEY OUR TAXES

B. Cut funding in other areas, essentially lessening the quality of care other patients receive.

If you so truly believe we shouldn't be required to have health insurance, then you should also argue that people be given the choice of either picking up insurance or being able to opt out of emergency room care (ie hospitals will have the right to turn you away in a medical emergency).

IzzieWaru

A serious medical emergency for one person can easily rack up to a million dollars. You think someone that can't afford insurance is going to have a million dollars worth of possessions?

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

You could argue that LIVING impacts other people's well-being. Read some articles about hospitals losing millions because they're required to take in burn victims that blew themselves up in their own meth labs (obviously people that don't have insurance).

Hospitals losing money means they:

A. Receive extra funding from the government. OH HEY OUR TAXES

B. Cut funding in other areas, essentially lessening the quality of care other patients receive.

If you so truly believe we shouldn't be required to have health insurance, then you should also argue that people be given the choice of either picking up insurance or being able to opt out of emergency room care (ie hospitals will have the right to turn you away in a medical emergency).

IzzieWaru

A serious medical emergency for one person can easily rack up to a million dollars. You think someone that can't afford insurance is going to have a million dollars worth of possessions?

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Acemaster27"] ...no. It skyrocketed long before he took office. He added bailout money to the debt, but as a result the economy is bouncing back.unityskater

Honestly though I don't think that the economy will ever recover to it's original state.

[QUOTE="unityskater"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] The economy isn't really "bouncing back". It's still slugging along. BMD004

Honestly though I don't think that the economy will ever recover to it's original state.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="unityskater"]

Honestly though I don't think that the economy will ever recover to it's original state.

Mario2007

Honestly though I don't think that the economy will ever recover to it's original state.

unityskater

[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] Those people who don't have insurance have to pay one way or another. They start taking your possessions.BMD004

A serious medical emergency for one person can easily rack up to a million dollars. You think someone that can't afford insurance is going to have a million dollars worth of possessions?

Just STAYING in a hospital for 5 days (not including surgery or medication) averages about $50,000. I'm talking about a critical injury or condition, not some kid getting stitches in his hand.

Edit: I like how you didn't come up with a real rebuttal to how hospitals are supposed to make up their debt.

except this down is slightly more down than normal. Like Great Depression down almost. Mario2007

[QUOTE="Mario2007"]except this down is slightly more down than normal. Like Great Depression down almost. BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

A serious medical emergency for one person can easily rack up to a million dollars. You think someone that can't afford insurance is going to have a million dollars worth of possessions?

IzzieWaru

Just STAYING in a hospital for 5 days (not including surgery or medication) averages about $50,000. I'm talking about a critical injury or condition, not some kid getting stitches in his hand.

[QUOTE="unityskater"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] The economy isn't really "bouncing back". It's still slugging along. BMD004

Honestly though I don't think that the economy will ever recover to it's original state.

After i posted that i realized that "it's original state" was too broad of a statement. I meant the pre-recession state where it was at its record highs, I'm not an economist but that is just my personal opinion.

[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] You are out of your **** mind if you think any medical emergency costs a million dollars.BMD004

Just STAYING in a hospital for 5 days (not including surgery or medication) averages about $50,000. I'm talking about a critical injury or condition, not some kid getting stitches in his hand.

[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] You are out of your **** mind if you think any medical emergency costs a million dollars.BMD004

Just STAYING in a hospital for 5 days (not including surgery or medication) averages about $50,000. I'm talking about a critical injury or condition, not some kid getting stitches in his hand.

...I work in a hospital...

Not to mention my mom went through 4 surgeries and 9 months of chemotherapy. A single night stay at a hospital was $10,000.

[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] You are out of your **** mind if you think any medical emergency costs a million dollars.BMD004

Just STAYING in a hospital for 5 days (not including surgery or medication) averages about $50,000. I'm talking about a critical injury or condition, not some kid getting stitches in his hand.

http://www.forbes.com/2004/06/08/cx_mh_0608costs.html

[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"] Doesn't matter. We came back from the Great Depression, didn't we?BMD004

IM BEING MISQUOTED :p

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

Just STAYING in a hospital for 5 days (not including surgery or medication) averages about $50,000. I'm talking about a critical injury or condition, not some kid getting stitches in his hand.

IzzieWaru

...I work in a hospital...

Not to mention my mom went through 4 surgeries and 9 months of chemotherapy. A single night stay at a hospital was $10,000.

If you could back in time would you vote for Mccain?rockerbikie

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

Just STAYING in a hospital for 5 days (not including surgery or medication) averages about $50,000. I'm talking about a critical injury or condition, not some kid getting stitches in his hand.

unityskater

http://www.forbes.com/2004/06/08/cx_mh_0608costs.html

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]Because of World War 2 yes. And this war doesn't seem to be helping the economy this time. IzzieWaru

IM BEING MISQUOTED :p

[QUOTE="IzzieWaru"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] We've had other depressions before. We've come back from all of them.BMD004

IM BEING MISQUOTED :p

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]If you could back in time would you vote for Mccain?Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="rockerbikie"]If you could back in time would you vote for Mccain?Mario2007

Too early to tell if he's bad. he's been left with the toughest choices ever. Recall that Clinton wasn't popular in his first year or so.141addict

[QUOTE="141addict"]Too early to tell if he's bad. he's been left with the toughest choices ever. Recall that Clinton wasn't popular in his first year or so.BMD004

Ask me in 2012.

Obama is a decent president (not great, but decent) who's dealing with some horrendously effed up issues.

bad president-yes

poor choices on war-still in afganstan

health care system- expensive and too many people and too many illegal immigrants and lines

taxes-higher

debt-higher

he will win in 2012 because Sarah Failn and John McCant were HORRIBLE and alot of the republicans look bad right now except maybe Romney could win...

bad president-yes

poor choices on war-still in afganstan

health care system- expensive and too many people and too many illegal immigrants and lines

taxes-higher

debt-higher

he will win in 2012 because Sarah Failn and John McCant were HORRIBLE and alot of the republicans look bad right now except maybe Romney could win...

AnalogOdyssey

On the whole Obama is a Socialist thing... he certainly can be viewed that way.

Bad president (can't be worse than our past one), good president, this statement from ultra conservatives is extremely hypocritical.

"" Radical Leaders prey on the fearful & naive.""

Hmmm... you wonder why we went to war with Iraq when there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction ever found there? Why don't we ask G Dubya and Emperor Cheney? Convenient how the party which is not in power any longer forgets mistakes and transgressions of their time and blames the party in power for doing the exact same thing?

Ultra Conservative and Ultra Radicals both are too unwilling to listen and cooperate with each other and are why this country's political system is pretty screwed up.

I don't think he's been a bad president, he's certainly done a fair bit in his time in office.

The reactionary movements against him are far more annoying than the guy himself to me.

Bad president? .........more like the anti-christ, am I rite???