So OT, why all the Christian hate lately?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

No Hitler's mother was a Catholic. He despised Christianity....he considered it weak. He did not attend service. As for excommunication....if you aren't a practicing Catholic....you can't get excommunicated.

The initial crusade is what started. Without one...there is no three. As for the third crusade....they crusaders were destroyed. That is not sparing lives. He also beheaded for betrayal. Also not sparing lives.

Collaboration with the Nazis? The Church left them alone so as not to be destroyed. You call that collaboration? And again....Hitler had Catholics put to death. That is fact.

Small pox vaccine? Catholic missionaries innoculated people with the vaccine. Anathesia? Uh no. As for early science.....it was a rather radical idea. However, his work survives and he lived at home for the remainder of his life. Burning at the stake? All cultures at points in time have capital punishment. Fear is a motivater.

imaps3fanboy

demanding logical proof for christian claims is not the same thing as hate. If you claim god exists, the logical thing to do is prove it. If you cannot prove it, the view has no logical basis. Yes, I know. Faith cannot be logical.Atheists_Pwn

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Yeah, I think the First Crusades were started by Muslims actually when they conquered Levant. I agree with you on everything else, I'm not sure if Christians burned people at the stake, is he referencing Salem? "Nevertheless, the scale of the massacre has generally been exaggerated in later medieval sources, partly as a result of propaganda in Muslim sources, and partly as a result of the misinterpretation of the Crusaders' resort to apocalyptic language to describe the scenes" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_CrusadeSnipes_2

The long-standing view of the Children's Crusade, of which there are many variations, is some version of events with similar themes.[2]A boy began preaching in eitherFranceorGermanyclaiming that he had been visited byJesusand told to lead aCrusadeto peacefully convert Muslims to Christianity. Through a series of supposed portents and miracles he gained a considerable following, including possibly as many as 30,000children. He led his followers south towards theMediterranean Sea, in the belief that the sea would part on their arrival, allowing him and his followers to march toJerusalem, but this did not happen. Two merchants gave "free" passage on boats to as many of the crusading poor (which most likely included a minimal number of children) as were willing. They were then either taken toTunisiaand sold into slavery, or died in a shipwreck onSan Pietro IslandoffSardiniaduring a gale. According to most accounts, many of the poor and elderly failed to reach the sea before dying or giving up fromstarvationand exhaustion. Scholarship has shown this long-standing view to be more legend than fact.

Because Gamespot is filled with far left, commie, pinko, fascistic socialists who worship hitler and satan and hate jesus. They also eat babies.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Are you guys seriously trying to make excuses and trying to downplay the crusades?!imaps3fanboy

Because Gamespot is filled with far left, commie, pinko, fascistic socialists who worship hitler and satan and hate jesus. They also eat babies.

Former_Slacker

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I think the Fourth Crusade was the only one that was not against Muslims. They actually ransacked the Byzantine Empire. The other ones were them trying to claim land previously conquered by Muslims. I'm sure some pretty awful things happened on Both the Christian and Muslim sides, they were only people.

Snipes_2

Most of them drown lol

dude juat no...we already got a facebook group calling this place satans lair, don't pour fuel into that fire

i may be an atheist but i respect others rights to faith

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Are you guys seriously trying to make excuses and trying to downplay the crusades?!imaps3fanboy

The long-standing view of the Children's Crusade, of which there are many variations, is some version of events with similar themes.[2]A boy began preaching in eitherFranceorGermanyclaiming that he had been visited byJesusand told to lead aCrusadeto peacefully convert Muslims to Christianity. Through a series of supposed portents and miracles he gained a considerable following, including possibly as many as 30,000children. He led his followers south towards theMediterranean Sea, in the belief that the sea would part on their arrival, allowing him and his followers to march toJerusalem, but this did not happen. Two merchants gave "free" passage on boats to as many of the crusading poor (which most likely included a minimal number of children) as were willing. They were then either taken toTunisiaand sold into slavery, or died in a shipwreck onSan Pietro IslandoffSardiniaduring a gale. According to most accounts, many of the poor and elderly failed to reach the sea before dying or giving up fromstarvationand exhaustion. Scholarship has shown this long-standing view to be more legend than fact.

The crusades was hardly about religion but political and economic power.. Which ahs often been the driving force in such things.. People like to claim that religion has dictated society and what not, but has it? You will see major societies through history that regardless of their religion will go upon actions and major changes with in society that they deem is what their religion demands.. But it often isn't, its often the other way around.. That society demands how the religion will be viewed and worshipped.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] And how about this lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childrens_Crusadeimaps3fanboy

Most of them drown lol

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] And how about this lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childrens_Crusadeimaps3fanboy

Most of them drown lol

According to that wiki article, it's thought that the classic account has little to no truth in it.

Because Gamespot is filled with far left, commie, pinko, fascistic socialists who worship hitler and satan and hate jesus. They also eat babies.

Former_Slacker

Why do they always ask "Justify the crusades", instead of "Justify all the charitable churches, hospitals, and worldwide work and sacrifice of missionaries for Christ?"

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

No Hitler's mother was a Catholic. He despised Christianity....he considered it weak. He did not attend service. As for excommunication....if you aren't a practicing Catholic....you can't get excommunicated.

The initial crusade is what started. Without one...there is no three. As for the third crusade....they crusaders were destroyed. That is not sparing lives. He also beheaded for betrayal. Also not sparing lives.

Collaboration with the Nazis? The Church left them alone so as not to be destroyed. You call that collaboration? And again....Hitler had Catholics put to death. That is fact.

Small pox vaccine? Catholic missionaries innoculated people with the vaccine. Anathesia? Uh no. As for early science.....it was a rather radical idea. However, his work survives and he lived at home for the remainder of his life. Burning at the stake? All cultures at points in time have capital punishment. Fear is a motivater.

Snipes_2

He was enrolled in a Catholic school and indoctrinated into the teachings of the church and it was the place where he first looks upon the swastika.

There were several accounts of knights being spared by Saladin usually written by the knights themselves. And Saladin let many men, women and children go without ransom. Much better treatment than what the Christian Soldiers did in the First Crusade. He also told Jews in Ashkelon that were expelled from Jerusalem by the crusaders to come back and live in Jerusalem.

And the Catholic church did help Nazis and other Fascist's escape from Europe to South America. Source.

'In one battle Saladin killed and captured many Christian Knights. One captured knight was Hugo, upon whom Saladin placed a large ransom. Hugo told Saladin that the sale of his lands would pay only half the ransom. Saladin agreed to set Hugo free so he might raise the rest of the money. Hugo had to promise to return to Saladin's camp three months later to pay the ransom in full. If the ransom was not paid. Hugo would have to die.

Although Hugo travelled all around Palestine, he was unable to raise any money and returned to Saladin empty-handed. Saladin was surprised that he had returned. Hugo told Saladin that he was bound by the Christian laws of chivalry to obey the king, to speak the truth, to be courteous to all ladies to help the poor and to always keep his word.

Saladin was impressed with the young knight, but he could not let him go, as Saladin had sworn by the Prophet to kill Hugo if he did not pay the ransom. Saladin took Hugo to a great hall where his chiefs were eating. He told him of Hugo's bravery and that, because he did not have the ransom, the young knight would have to lose his head. Saldin's chiefs threw gold into the middle of the floor until the ransom was ppaid. Saladin then told the knight to take the gold and go home. But Hugo begged Saladin to keep the gold and instead release another knight. Saladin released all his hostages and sent them back to the Christian camp with Hugo, who was also given the gold.'

-Discovering the Medieval World, First published in 1993, Page 63. Guest, Eshuys, Phelan

Also to talk more about the ratlines.

'Hudal was the first Catholic priest to dedicate himself to establishing escape routes. Aarons and Loftus claim that Hudal provided the objects of his charity with money to help them escape, and more importantly with false papers including identity documents issued by the Vatican Refugee Organisation (Commissione Pontificia d'Assistenza).'

Priests active in the chain included: Fr. Vilim Cecelja, former Deputy Military Vicar to the Ustashe, based in Austria where many Ustashe and Nazi refugees remained in hiding; Fr. Dragutin Kamber, based at San Girolamo; Fr. Dominik Mandić, an official Vatican representative at San Girolamo and also "General Economist" or treasurer of the Franciscan order - who used this position to put the Franciscan press at the ratline's disposal

Lately? GS has always been like that. Far left, non-religious.

Pirate700

This^^^

Have you been living under a rock, TC?

Why do they always ask "Justify the crusades", instead of "justify all the charitable churches, hospitals, and worldwide work and sacrifice of missionaries for Christ?"

narlymech

A sound argument.. Though I would argue Crusades was religious related in name only, it was only the vehicle to put forward the claim for lands and power.. That being said I am not a big fan of any religious based charities HISTORICALLY, they have a brutal history of being more a tool for indoctrination and/or conversion then actually helping people.. In the end I would rather support a secular organization, thats just me of course.

I suppose it's because of a few reasons. First, christianity tends to be the predominant religion in most of the countries that the majority of OT posters hail from. So it's "ok" to insult it. Secondly, there are many denominations of christianity that are very aggressive in preaching or recruiting. Some people take this as a threat and react accordingly. Third, there are some sects of christianity that are very fundamentalist and have views that many people consider radical. Some of those views are anti-science, anti-gay, etc. and that can be insulting to many people. Unfortunately, these sects become associated with christianity and those christians that are not as intolerant get lumped in with them. That's my thoughts at least.

I suppose it's because of a few reasons. First, christianity tends to be the predominant religion in most of the countries that the majority of OT posters hail from. So it's "ok" to insult it. Secondly, there are many denominations of christianity that are very aggressive in preaching or recruiting. Some people take this as a threat and react accordingly. Third, there are some sects of christianity that are very fundamentalist and have views that many people consider radical. Some of those views are anti-science, anti-gay, etc. and that can be insulting to many people. Unfortunately, these sects become associated with christianity and those christians that are not as intolerant get lumped in with them. That's my thoughts at least.

sonicare

I would call that a fairly accurate summery.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

He was enrolled in a Catholic school and indoctrinated into the teachings of the church and it was the place where he first looks upon the swastika.

There were several accounts of knights being spared by Saladin usually written by the knights themselves. And Saladin let many men, women and children go without ransom. Much better treatment than what the Christian Soldiers did in the First Crusade. He also told Jews in Ashkelon that were expelled from Jerusalem by the crusaders to come back and live in Jerusalem.

And the Catholic church did help Nazis and other Fascist's escape from Europe to South America. Source.

Vesica_Prime

'In one battle Saladin killed and captured many Christian Knights. One captured knight was Hugo, upon whom Saladin placed a large ransom. Hugo told Saladin that the sale of his lands would pay only half the ransom. Saladin agreed to set Hugo free so he might raise the rest of the money. Hugo had to promise to return to Saladin's camp three months later to pay the ransom in full. If the ransom was not paid. Hugo would have to die.

Although Hugo travelled all around Palestine, he was unable to raise any money and returned to Saladin empty-handed. Saladin was surprised that he had returned. Hugo told Saladin that he was bound by the Christian laws of chivalry to obey the king, to speak the truth, to be courteous to all ladies to help the poor and to always keep his word.

Saladin was impressed with the young knight, but he could not let him go, as Saladin had sworn by the Prophet to kill Hugo if he did not pay the ransom. Saladin took Hugo to a great hall where his chiefs were eating. He told him of Hugo's bravery and that, because he did not have the ransom, the young knight would have to lose his head. Saldin's chiefs threw gold into the middle of the floor until the ransom was ppaid. Saladin then told the knight to take the gold and go home. But Hugo begged Saladin to keep the gold and instead release another knight. Saladin released all his hostages and sent them back to the Christian camp with Hugo, who was also given the gold.'

-Discovering the Medieval World First published in 1993, page 63.

Also to talk more about the ratlines.

'Hudal was the first Catholic priest to dedicate himself to establishing escape routes. Aarons and Loftus claim that Hudal provided the objects of his charity with money to help them escape, and more importantly with false papers including identity documents issued by the Vatican Refugee Organisation (Commissione Pontificia d'Assistenza).'

Priests active in the chain included: Fr. Vilim Cecelja, former Deputy Military Vicar to the Ustashe, based in Austria where many Ustashe and Nazi refugees remained in hiding; Fr. Dragutin Kamber, based at San Girolamo; Fr. Dominik Mandić, an official Vatican representative at San Girolamo and also "General Economist" or treasurer of the Franciscan order - who used this position to put the Franciscan press at the ratline's disposal

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]demanding logical proof for christian claims is not the same thing as hate. If you claim god exists, the logical thing to do is prove it. If you cannot prove it, the view has no logical basis. Yes, I know. Faith cannot be logical.tekken220

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Your Source says nothing about the Catholic Churches assistance. And I'd like a source on Saladin sparing soldiers. Snipes_2

'In one battle Saladin killed and captured many Christian Knights. One captured knight was Hugo, upon whom Saladin placed a large ransom. Hugo told Saladin that the sale of his lands would pay only half the ransom. Saladin agreed to set Hugo free so he might raise the rest of the money. Hugo had to promise to return to Saladin's camp three months later to pay the ransom in full. If the ransom was not paid. Hugo would have to die.

Although Hugo travelled all around Palestine, he was unable to raise any money and returned to Saladin empty-handed. Saladin was surprised that he had returned. Hugo told Saladin that he was bound by the Christian laws of chivalry to obey the king, to speak the truth, to be courteous to all ladies to help the poor and to always keep his word.

Saladin was impressed with the young knight, but he could not let him go, as Saladin had sworn by the Prophet to kill Hugo if he did not pay the ransom. Saladin took Hugo to a great hall where his chiefs were eating. He told him of Hugo's bravery and that, because he did not have the ransom, the young knight would have to lose his head. Saldin's chiefs threw gold into the middle of the floor until the ransom was ppaid. Saladin then told the knight to take the gold and go home. But Hugo begged Saladin to keep the gold and instead release another knight. Saladin released all his hostages and sent them back to the Christian camp with Hugo, who was also given the gold.'

-Discovering the Medieval World First published in 1993, page 63.

Also to talk more about the ratlines.

'Hudal was the first Catholic priest to dedicate himself to establishing escape routes. Aarons and Loftus claim that Hudal provided the objects of his charity with money to help them escape, and more importantly with false papers including identity documents issued by the Vatican Refugee Organisation (Commissione Pontificia d'Assistenza).'

Priests active in the chain included: Fr. Vilim Cecelja, former Deputy Military Vicar to the Ustashe, based in Austria where many Ustashe and Nazi refugees remained in hiding; Fr. Dragutin Kamber, based at San Girolamo; Fr. Dominik Mandić, an official Vatican representative at San Girolamo and also "General Economist" or treasurer of the Franciscan order - who used this position to put the Franciscan press at the ratline's disposal

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Ratlines were systems of escape routes forNazis and other facistsfleeing Europe at the end of World War II.

And I'm not saying that Saldin isn't incorruptible, I'm just saying that he was a lot more honourable, fair and just compared to the crusaders.

[QUOTE="tekken220"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]demanding logical proof for christian claims is not the same thing as hate. If you claim god exists, the logical thing to do is prove it. If you cannot prove it, the view has no logical basis. Yes, I know. Faith cannot be logical.Dylan_11

What an approriate avatar for what you said :P

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="tekken220"] Tbh, one of the reasons why I decided to leave OT is because of you. Okay, this is my last post on OT. :PsSubZerOo

What an approriate avatar for what you said :P

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

'In one battle Saladin killed and captured many Christian Knights. One captured knight was Hugo, upon whom Saladin placed a large ransom. Hugo told Saladin that the sale of his lands would pay only half the ransom. Saladin agreed to set Hugo free so he might raise the rest of the money. Hugo had to promise to return to Saladin's camp three months later to pay the ransom in full. If the ransom was not paid. Hugo would have to die.

Although Hugo travelled all around Palestine, he was unable to raise any money and returned to Saladin empty-handed. Saladin was surprised that he had returned. Hugo told Saladin that he was bound by the Christian laws of chivalry to obey the king, to speak the truth, to be courteous to all ladies to help the poor and to always keep his word.

Saladin was impressed with the young knight, but he could not let him go, as Saladin had sworn by the Prophet to kill Hugo if he did not pay the ransom. Saladin took Hugo to a great hall where his chiefs were eating. He told him of Hugo's bravery and that, because he did not have the ransom, the young knight would have to lose his head. Saldin's chiefs threw gold into the middle of the floor until the ransom was ppaid. Saladin then told the knight to take the gold and go home. But Hugo begged Saladin to keep the gold and instead release another knight. Saladin released all his hostages and sent them back to the Christian camp with Hugo, who was also given the gold.'

-Discovering the Medieval World First published in 1993, page 63.

Also to talk more about the ratlines.

'Hudal was the first Catholic priest to dedicate himself to establishing escape routes. Aarons and Loftus claim that Hudal provided the objects of his charity with money to help them escape, and more importantly with false papers including identity documents issued by the Vatican Refugee Organisation (Commissione Pontificia d'Assistenza).'

Priests active in the chain included: Fr. Vilim Cecelja, former Deputy Military Vicar to the Ustashe, based in Austria where many Ustashe and Nazi refugees remained in hiding; Fr. Dragutin Kamber, based at San Girolamo; Fr. Dominik Mandić, an official Vatican representative at San Girolamo and also "General Economist" or treasurer of the Franciscan order - who used this position to put the Franciscan press at the ratline's disposal

Vesica_Prime

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Ratlines were systems of escape routes forNazis and other facistsfleeing Europe at the end of World War II.

And I'm not saying that Saldin isn't incorruptible, I'm just saying that he was a lot more honourable, fair and just compared to the crusaders.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Where does it say they aided Nazis to escape? In July 1187 Saladin captured most of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. On July 4, 1187, at the Battle of Hattin, he faced the combined forces of Guy of Lusignan, King Consort of Jerusalem and Raymond III of Tripoli. In this battle alone the Crusader army was largely annihilated by the motivated army of Saladin. It was a major disaster for the Crusaders and a turning point in the history of the Crusades. Saladin captured Raynald de Châtillon and was personally responsible for his execution in retaliation for his attacking Muslim caravans. Saladin retaliated by killing all Franks captured from August 28 – September 10. Bahā' ad-Dīn writes, "Whilst we were there they brought two Franks to the Sultan (Saladin) who had been made prisoners by the advance guard. He had them beheaded on the spot."

Snipes_2

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Ratlines were systems of escape routes forNazis and other facistsfleeing Europe at the end of World War II.

And I'm not saying that Saldin isn't incorruptible, I'm just saying that he was a lot more honourable, fair and just compared to the crusaders.

If you actually read the source, it'll tell you that Ratlines are escape routes that were set up with the aid of the Vatican to help Nazis and Fascists escape to South America.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Hitler was a Catholic, he was baptized a Catholic and was never excommunicated for his crimes against humanity meaning that he remained a Catholic until his death. And Hitler also killed some Germans as well, does this make him not a German Fuhrer? And talking about the crusades you failed to miss that in the third Crusade Saladin a Muslim spared the inhabitants of the city while the Christian soldiers in the first crusade butchered every man, woman and child they can see.

And how are the other items irrelevant, it was the CHURCH who condemned the small pox vaccine, anesthesia, collaborated with the Nazis, burned people at the stake, condemned Galileo and Roger Bacon.

Vesica_Prime

No Hitler's mother was a Catholic. He despised Christianity....he considered it weak. He did not attend service. As for excommunication....if you aren't a practicing Catholic....you can't get excommunicated.

The initial crusade is what started. Without one...there is no three. As for the third crusade....they crusaders were destroyed. That is not sparing lives. He also beheaded for betrayal. Also not sparing lives.

Collaboration with the Nazis? The Church left them alone so as not to be destroyed. You call that collaboration? And again....Hitler had Catholics put to death. That is fact.

Small pox vaccine? Catholic missionaries innoculated people with the vaccine. Anathesia? Uh no. As for early science.....it was a rather radical idea. However, his work survives and he lived at home for the remainder of his life. Burning at the stake? All cultures at points in time have capital punishment. Fear is a motivater.

He was enrolled in a Catholic school and indoctrinated into the teachings of the church and it was the place where he first looks upon the swastika.

There were several accounts of knights being spared by Saladin usually written by the knights themselves. And Saladin let many men, women and children go without ransom. Much better treatment than what the Christian Soldiers did in the First Crusade. He also told Jews in Ashkelon that were expelled from Jerusalem by the crusaders to come back and live in Jerusalem.

And the Catholic church did help Nazis and other Fascist's escape from Europe to South America. Source.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]demanding logical proof for christian claims is not the same thing as hate. If you claim god exists, the logical thing to do is prove it. If you cannot prove it, the view has no logical basis. Yes, I know. Faith cannot be logical.narlymech

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

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Ratlines were systems of escape routes forNazis and other facistsfleeing Europe at the end of World War II.

And I'm not saying that Saldin isn't incorruptible, I'm just saying that he was a lot more honourable, fair and just compared to the crusaders.

Vesica_Prime

If you actually read the source, it'll tell you that Ratlines are escape routes that were set up with the aid of the Vatican to help Nazis and Fascists escape to South America.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I was showing you that he was not more honorable or fair. IT doesn't say Ratlines in your other post it just says escape routes. How do I know if it's referencing to Rat Lines or some other escape route?Snipes_2

If you actually read the source, it'll tell you that Ratlines are escape routes that were set up with the aid of the Vatican to help Nazis and Fascists escape to South America.

Just freaking read the article.

Ratlines were systems of escape routes for Nazis and other fascists fleeing Europe at the end of World War II. These escape routes mainly led toward havens in South America, particularly Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, and Chile.

Hudal was the first Catholic priest to dedicate himself to establishing escape routes. Aarons and Loftus claim that Hudal provided the objects of his charity with money to help them escape, and more importantly with false papers including identity documents issued by the Vatican Refugee Organisation (Commissione Pontificia d'Assistenza).

Fr. Dominik Mandić, an official Vatican representative at San Girolamo and also "General Economist" or treasurer of the Franciscan order - who used this position to put the Franciscan press at the ratline's disposal;

There's my proof that the Catholic church aided with the escape of Nazis, and if you actually read that article you'd find that these excerpts are copied and pasted from the article.

Why would I hate on a buddist? They don't tell me I'm going to burn in a lake of fire for the sin of being alive.

[QUOTE="narlymech"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]demanding logical proof for christian claims is not the same thing as hate. If you claim god exists, the logical thing to do is prove it. If you cannot prove it, the view has no logical basis. Yes, I know. Faith cannot be logical.Atheists_Pwn

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="narlymech"] Is it logical to expect a random Christian to reach through the internet and prove God's existance at your beck and call? Isn't that even more illogical?narlymech

[QUOTE="narlymech"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] why would they have to reach through the internet? They would have to use formal logic to prove gods existence.Atheists_Pwn

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="narlymech"] The truth is that God's will is often revealed to people HE chooses to reveal it to. What you are asking may not be possible and to ask it may be asking someone to do the impossible. You can sit there pompously thinking you are on the side of logic, but aren't on the side of the truth. Whether or not God reveals the truth to you is not something a random poster on a message board may be able to do. It's also seek and ye shall find, not take a contrary position and act pompously.narlymech

The Christians on this website aren't totally innocent, as some of the people in this very thread would have you believe. For the most part, I do think that their aggression is overstated, but the section that does antagonize - the shove-down-your-throat-without-attempting-to-logically-persuade-you-and-condemning-you-for-not-accepting-their-unproven-belief part - is quite visible, and I've encountered plenty, mostly in same-sex marriage threads. For the most part, I ignore them.

[QUOTE="narlymech"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] The only way to find the truth is by logic. otherwise, how would you know youre right? Emotions? HA. chemicals in your brain are not signals for correctnessAtheists_Pwn

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="narlymech"] Seems you are very set in your ways. God is emotional, but very based in logic.

narlymech

[QUOTE="narlymech"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] god is the chemical makeup of the human brain? the only logic there is its predictability. Doesnt sound too god like. Emotions are explained very well by science. there literally nothing special about them. If we(as a society) wanted to allow it, you could theoretically have a restaurant for emotions in pill or liquid form. If the thought of god makes you happy, take a bit of seratonin (the chemical thats responsible for happiness) and think of buddha.Atheists_Pwn

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]

[QUOTE="narlymech"] No, God's brain isn't the average human brain, because he is God obviously.narlymech

Easter just passed.

People are finding out it was last week and are trying to get their **** storms together before it becomes too late. (It is too late. So stop trying guys.)

It's not Christians specifically, they just happen to be the majority of the theists here on OT. I actually have no problem with Christians (my g/f is Christian), I just hate extremists who try to shove their beliefs down everyones throats. If a Buddhist posted a thread trying to convert all of us Heathens I would gladly give him hell just like anyone else.

[QUOTE="narlymech"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] i think if you read what i said more closely you would make a different argument entirely. I think if you wanted to make the argument you just did, you would rephrase it. you simply said god is not the average human brain. is he the exceptional human brain? Please dont tell me im "set in my ways" as a result of this, because you have some serious flaws in your logic.

Atheists_Pwn

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="narlymech"] Is he the exceptional human brain? He is the human brain and body destined to be God. He is exceptional in mind, body and spirit.narlymech

its usually atheist hate here....

its usually atheist hate here....

weezyfb

My disdain of christians comes from them always telling my that I have to believe in christ or else I will burn in eternal damnation.

Sorry, but I think God will except me for who I am and what I believe and if he does not then he must not be a very loving God afterall and therefore Christianity is wrong.

Also the hate could stem from all the sexual assaults on children.... yeah, yeah, yeah I know Christianity is not Catholocism. Well in my book, and most others as well. It is.