So science won today

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#1 SirSpudly
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I know this study has a lot of big words and big phrases that most people would never look up proper (trust me you shouldn't), so I hope the briefing of this subject gets the point accross in one sentence or less.

Scientists discovered the cure for HIV/Aids and tied the evolution of mankind and apekind in a single bound by looking at DNA that humans already have and reawakening them.

We can start celebrating on the streets now.

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#2 magnax1
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For real?

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#3 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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And here I thought you had to inject money into the blood stream.
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#4 LikeHaterade
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Am I going to get Rick rolled?

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#5 Hungry_Jello
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TL DR. But seriously have they really found the cure?

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#6 magnax1
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Am I going to get Rick rolled?

LikeHaterade

Nah, its a real link, but I don''t undestand it very well. It talks about what Prime ates use to defend against disease like AIDs.

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#7 Theokhoth
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The ability to reawaken retrocyclin genes from their 7 million years of slumber using aminoglycosides could provide a novel way to secure enhanced resistance to HIV-1 infection.

Translation: we have potential, not the cure.

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#8 SirSpudly
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The ability to reawaken retrocyclin genes from their 7 million years of slumber using aminoglycosides could provide a novel way to secure enhanced resistance to HIV-1 infection.

Translation: we have potential, not the cure.

Theokhoth

Retranslation: we have the protein, unsure if it is enough to cure, can make more elsewhere if need be

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#9 WiiMan21
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Thats great if they did, but please tell me who science beat? directed at the title of course.

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#10 gameguy6700
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TL DR. But seriously have they really found the cure?

Hungry_Jello

No. What they did was find a way to reactivate a dormant gene that grants a person greater resistance to HIV. Other primates still have this gene active and thus HIV is much less of a problem for them. In the process of our evolution though that gene got turned off. It's still there, it's just not functional. Unless of course you do what these guys did.

You won't be seeing this as a treatment anytime soon though. All this study says is "hey look what we can do!". Now the subject will get researched more thoroughly and if all goes well and smoothly we might see this used clinically in about 10 years.

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#11 jim_shorts
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Thats great if they did, but please tell me who science beat? directed at the title of course.

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I'm guessing AIDS
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#12 WiiMan21
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[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Thats great if they did, but please tell me who science beat? directed at the title of course.

jim_shorts

I'm guessing AIDS

okay. well why not say science found the cure of AIDs instead.

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#13 SirSpudly
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Thats great if they did, but please tell me who science beat? directed at the title of course.

WiiMan21

On top of those with HIV/Aids without the funds to buy powerful coctails to keep them alive (and the companies who profited off of them every step of the way), it disproved all religions whose premise was that the human design was in fact divine and not necessary to mess with.

Now the message is "its still powerful, but if you get something really wrong you might need to tinker with it a little"

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#14 bob_newman
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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Thats great if they did, but please tell me who science beat? directed at the title of course.

WiiMan21

I'm guessing AIDS

okay. well why not say science found the cure of AIDs instead.

How is that witty?
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#15 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Thats great if they did, but please tell me who science beat? directed at the title of course.

WiiMan21

I'm guessing AIDS

okay. well why not say science found the cure of AIDs instead.

Because that doesn't give the imagery of science and AIDS in a race. Science just took the lead. :P
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#17 jim_shorts
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it disproved all religions whose premise was that the human design was in fact divine and not necessary to mess with.

SirSpudly

I really don't see how that happened

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#18 Duckman5
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This isn't a "cure."
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"To ascertain if human cells retained the ability to process demidefensins, we transfected human promyelocytic cells with plasmids containing repaired retrocyclin-like genes. The expected peptides were isolated, their sequences were verified by mass spectrometric analyses, and their anti-HIV-1 activity was confirmed in vitro."

Wow, they almost have a cure.

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#21 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="SirSpudly"]

it disproved all religions whose premise was that the human design was in fact divine and not necessary to mess with.

jim_shorts

I really don't see how that happened

No kidding. I think of this news as a good thing, not "Oh no, religion must not be true!" :P
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#22 SirSpudly
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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

[QUOTE="SirSpudly"]

it disproved all religions whose premise was that the human design was in fact divine and not necessary to mess with.

mindstorm

I really don't see how that happened

No kidding. I think of this news as a good thing, not "Oh no, religion must not be true!" :P

Now that is putting words in my mouth.

I said holding a religion where the pastor/rabbi/etc claims the body is the final and elite temple of all is now a lot harder because of this.

Nothing else about religion is at fault (i think).

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#23 thriteenthmonke
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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

[QUOTE="SirSpudly"]

it disproved all religions whose premise was that the human design was in fact divine and not necessary to mess with.

mindstorm

I really don't see how that happened

No kidding. I think of this news as a good thing, not "Oh no, religion must not be true!" :P

There's a difference? :P
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Aids is cured?! I bet the guy who found this out will be getting a peace prize.
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#25 mindstorm
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Now that is putting words in my mouth.

I said holding a religion where the pastor/rabbi/etc claims the body is the final and elite temple of all is now a lot harder because of this.

Nothing else about religion is at fault (i think).

SirSpudly

I was exaggerating. Sorry. :D
There's a difference? :Pthriteenthmonke
I had a feeling someone would say that. :P

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#26 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] I'm guessing AIDSswoosh18

okay. well why not say science found the cure of AIDs instead.

because you suck

Winner of the maturity award right here!

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The ability to reawaken retrocyclin genes from their 7 million years of slumber using aminoglycosides could provide a novel way to secure enhanced resistance to HIV-1 infection.

Translation: we have potential, not the cure.

awww and i was just about to go wild and do it with someone oh well :(
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#28 Wolls
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well some people in africa alrady have awoken these genes naturally and have been passing on an imunity to HIV for a couple of generations now :D

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Wow, thats awesome and I dunt understand a word of it! :o

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#30 Hungry_Jello
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The ability to reawaken retrocyclin genes from their 7 million years of slumber using aminoglycosides could provide a novel way to secure enhanced resistance to HIV-1 infection.

Translation: we have potential, not the cure.

twilightpanda

awww and i was just about to go wild and do it with someone oh well :(

Even if it did cure aids, there would still be herpes and gonorrhea.

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sweeeeet! This means I can finally become a injection junkie!

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[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"] There's a difference? :Pmindstorm

I had a feeling someone would say that. :P

On a more serious note I don't know that disproving religion would have many positive effects other than affirming my personal world view.
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#33 MuddVader
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[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

TL DR. But seriously have they really found the cure?

No. What they did was find a way to reactivate a dormant gene that grants a person greater resistance to HIV. Other primates still have this gene active and thus HIV is much less of a problem for them. In the process of our evolution though that gene got turned off. It's still there, it's just not functional. Unless of course you do what these guys did.

You won't be seeing this as a treatment anytime soon though. All this study says is "hey look what we can do!". Now the subject will get researched more thoroughly and if all goes well and smoothly we might see this used clinically in about 10 years.

Thats still an amazing find regardless, I hope that it moves along smoothly ^^ to me though, it sounds dangerous, what if changing this gene to active in too many people starts causing changes in future generations, like a de-evolution. Or what if when they reactivate this gene, it or they reactivate other genes that it needs to function, and they or those genes awaken other genes, and so on, and so on, untill the bodys genes are all screwed up, or is that not possible and is my imagination just off in another world? Anyways Religion: 5 Evolution: 5,223,562,679,061 +1 (not actual numbers of course lol =P)
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[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

There's a difference? :Pthriteenthmonke
I had a feeling someone would say that. :P

On a more serious note I don't know that disproving religion would have many positive effects other than affirming my personal world view.

If religion were disproven or, if proof that was undeniable about evolution was shown to those who were religious, they would still ignore it. That or if they actually listened and dropped religion completely, the world would most likely turn into a hellish place I would imagine. Remember, religion is order to the masses in a way. People would probably carry out alot of dark deeds considering finding out that there was nothing else but death and soil in the end. But proving evolution doesnt mean that religion is wrong per say(not sure I said that right..), just that the creationist ideas are. It would mean that the world wasnt created in 7 days and so on, calling for a major revision of the bible, which would be a huge deal in our day and age.
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#35 WiiMan21
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[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

TL DR. But seriously have they really found the cure?

MuddVader

No. What they did was find a way to reactivate a dormant gene that grants a person greater resistance to HIV. Other primates still have this gene active and thus HIV is much less of a problem for them. In the process of our evolution though that gene got turned off. It's still there, it's just not functional. Unless of course you do what these guys did.

You won't be seeing this as a treatment anytime soon though. All this study says is "hey look what we can do!". Now the subject will get researched more thoroughly and if all goes well and smoothly we might see this used clinically in about 10 years.

Thats still an amazing find regardless, I hope that it moves along smoothly ^^ to me though, it sounds dangerous, what if changing this gene to active in too many people starts causing changes in future generations, like a de-evolution. Or what if when they reactivate this gene, it or they reactivate other genes that it needs to function, and they or those genes awaken other genes, and so on, and so on, untill the bodys genes are all screwed up, or is that not possible and is my imagination just off in another world? Anyways Religion: 5 Evolution: 5,223,562,679,061 +1 (not actual numbers of course lol =P)

which reinforces the possibility of a zombie apocalypse. :D

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#36 LanceA63
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good news all around!

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#37 super_mario_128
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good news all around!

LanceA63
Pretty much. Very good step forward.
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[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] I had a feeling someone would say that. :P

MuddVader

On a more serious note I don't know that disproving religion would have many positive effects other than affirming my personal world view.

If religion were disproven or, if proof that was undeniable about evolution was shown to those who were religious, they would still ignore it. That or if they actually listened and dropped religion completely, the world would most likely turn into a hellish place I would imagine. Remember, religion is order to the masses in a way. People would probably carry out alot of dark deeds considering finding out that there was nothing else but death and soil in the end. But proving evolution doesnt mean that religion is wrong per say(not sure I said that right..), just that the creationist ideas are. It would mean that the world wasnt created in 7 days and so on, calling for a major revision of the bible, which would be a huge deal in our day and age.

I'm sure there would be some who would change the Bible. Just to clarify my feelings though. I don't believe a revision of the Bible would be necessary in any way, shape, or form and I am Christian.

I think this is great by the way. :)

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This isn't a "cure."Duckman5

Every step leading to a cure is an extraordinarily important one.

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#40 mohfrontline
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well I just hope it doesn't kill everyone and turn the rest into crazed mutants
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#41 Espada12
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This isn't a cure they basically found a resistance to HIV-1 that primates have in humans as well, it's 7 million year old gene that needs to be re-awoken and can be a resistant to the HIV-1 infection. It mentions no cure there.

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Thats great, if only it was real :(
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This is assuming that the resulting drug won't be destroyed by the patient's immune reaction. There's lots of chemicals that can kill HIV, but to find one that both kills HIV and can live in the human body is the holy grail.
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#44 BumFluff122
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This has been known for quite some time.

Retroviruses, such as HIV, have long been known to be in the humanand primate genome. Soem discussion on ptERFV1: Evidence suggests that this specific retrovirus plagued chimpanzees, humans and gorillas about 4 million years ago. A modern human protein called Trim5a works to prevent PtERV1 and related retroviruses from replicating. Shari Kaiser from the University of Washington tested this idea by resurrecting the retrovirus PtERV1 and injected it into mammalian cells. The human Trim5a protein halted the infection before the virus could even reach our DNA. However this makes us vulnerable to another retrovirus that has been listed in this section: HIV. During the course of evolution humans made an important change in the amino acid sequence of Trim5a. When Kaiser changed the protein back to it's original form it gained the ability to fight HIV but lost the ability to fight PtERV1. These findings are helping researches in understanding why HIV infection leads to AIDS in humans but not in non-human primates. (Source, From June 23 2007)

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#45 clyde46
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[QUOTE="Duckman5"]This isn't a "cure."foxhound_fox


Every step leading to a cure is an extraordinarily important one.

Indeed, if someone comes up with a cure for AIDS then the world "should" be a better place. Still I dont think the fact that a cure could be on the way instantly discounts all of religion. Religion is very close to someone, it gives someone something to hope for, something to live for. It also provides a sense of communnitiy. Religion is just as important to this world as science.

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#46 supa_badman
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Hah, fantastic.

I applaud the human race :)

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And here I thought you had to inject money into the blood stream. SAGE_OF_FIRE
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