I love metalcore, then right below that is probably melodic death metal. Metalcore haters (I'm assuming everyone), say what you want but it's not going to change the fact that I love metalcore.podliver
YA :) . what metalcore bands you listen to? I listen to All that remains, August burns red (really good metalcore :) ), Avenged 7x, Bullet for my valentine, Heeaven shall burn, Killswitch engage, Trivium mainly.
I believe it's generally considered a form of Punk, despite its title.
KHAndAnime
But it takes influences from both Metal and hardcore punk. Metal = Metal, Core = Hardcore. It's a sub-genre of metal and punk. Mainly punk though. I'd say it's about half an half. Take a band like Trivium, the vocals are Metal, the guitars are obviously quite metal, the drumming especially.
[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"] But it takes influences from both Metal and hardcore punk. Metal = Metal, Core = Hardcore. It's a sub-genre of metal and punk.
aaronmullan
Mainly punk though. I'd say it's about half an half. Take a band like Trivium, the vocals are Metal, the guitars are obviously quite metal, the drumming especially. Trivium in my eyes is definitely more punk than metal. The vocals are definitely NOT metal. Nothing metal about them. The songs are very pop punkish in nature. The drumming isn't too metal either.
Trivium in my eyes is definitely more punk than metal. The vocals are definitely NOT metal. Nothing metal about them. The songs are very pop punkish in nature. The drumming isn't too metal either.
KHAndAnime
I agree, the vocals of Trivium are reminiscent of Hardcore Punk. I think anybody who feels this way about Trivium is probably unfamiliar with both Metal and its many subgenres/roots and Hardcore Punk back in its glory days. Trivium sounds - to me - like a Poppier version of an average Hardcore group who can't rock to hard, for fear they might wake mom as they play in the garage. It's like.... castrated Hardcore.
Just listen to Heaven shall burn if you really want to have the death metal vocals (death metal vocals aren't the only ones) meanwhile the instruments used are definitely metal. No question about it D:. Just cause metalcore isn't like death metal or doom metal doesn't mean its not metal. Its like saying power metal ain't metal. You'll just have to live with metalcore being considered metal by all but the elitists :(
Just listen to Heaven shall burn if you really want to have the death metal vocals (death metal vocals aren't the only ones) meanwhile the instruments used are definitely metal. No question about it D:. Just cause metalcore isn't like death metal or doom metal doesn't mean its not metal. Its like saying power metal ain't metal. You'll just have to live with metalcore being considered metal by all but the elitists :(
lyeti
I'm not an elitist at all when it comes to Metal. I'm not even that big of a Metal fan, actually. Power Metal is undeniably Metal, everything about it showers the roots of Heavy Metal and Hair Metal with endless praise, it's one of the most Metal of Metal subgenres. Metalcore's controversy stems from it having more to do with Punk than Metal, generally. Which is a fact.
Just listen to Heaven shall burn if you really want to have the death metal vocals (death metal vocals aren't the only ones) meanwhile the instruments used are definitely metal. No question about it D:. Just cause metalcore isn't like death metal or doom metal doesn't mean its not metal. Its like saying power metal ain't metal. You'll just have to live with metalcore being considered metal by all but the elitists :(
lyeti
What does it have to do with elitism? Can't you just accept your music falls under the hardcore/punk banner - not metal? We argue with logic and reason, and you argue with "buh..buh..elists".
Just listen to Heaven shall burn if you really want to have the death metal vocals (death metal vocals aren't the only ones) meanwhile the instruments used are definitely metal. No question about it D:. Just cause metalcore isn't like death metal or doom metal doesn't mean its not metal. Its like saying power metal ain't metal. You'll just have to live with metalcore being considered metal by all but the elitists :(
KHAndAnime
What does it have to do with elitism? Can't you just accept your music falls under the hardcore/punk banner - not metal? We argue with logic and reason, and you argue with "buh..buh..elists". Ye but yur saying that something that has instrumentals like metal, melodies and metal riffs, some of the bands have metal vocals. Yes definitely some bands err on the side of the hardcore/punk scene and most of the bands do look /act like punk bands. But that doesn't mean that metalcore isn't metal. Its a hybrid metal that isn't made up of two types of metal.. Most of the original metal started out as hybrids too, yet its still called metal. For example progressive metal used to be progressive rock/metal. What you are saying is that metalcore isn't metal, even though the bands i listen to are a lot more than a half half metal:hardcore/punk and definitely shouldn't be considered punk/hardcore. If I told a progressive metal fan that his music isn't metal, what would his reaction be?
Just listen to Heaven shall burn if you really want to have the death metal vocals (death metal vocals aren't the only ones) meanwhile the instruments used are definitely metal. No question about it D:. Just cause metalcore isn't like death metal or doom metal doesn't mean its not metal. Its like saying power metal ain't metal. You'll just have to live with metalcore being considered metal by all but the elitists :(
lyeti
What does it have to do with elitism? Can't you just accept your music falls under the hardcore/punk banner - not metal? We argue with logic and reason, and you argue with "buh..buh..elists". Ye but yur saying that something that has instrumentals like metal, melodies and metal riffs, some of the bands have metal vocals. Yes definitely some bands err on the side of the hardcore/punk scene and most of the bands do look /act like punk bands. But that doesn't mean that metalcore isn't metal. Its a hybrid metal that isn't made up of two types of metal.. Most of the original metal started out as hybrids too, yet its still called metal. For example progressive metal used to be progressive rock/metal. What you are saying is that metalcore isn't metal, even though the bands i listen to are a lot more than a half half metal:hardcore/punk and definitely shouldn't be considered punk/hardcore. If I told a progressive metal fan that his music isn't metal, what would his reaction be? You don't need to explain what you think about it to me, it's just the way things are. It's commonly accepted that metal core isn't metal. Progressive Metal isn't a hybrid of two genres. Metalcore is, and metalcore music is mostly punk - no matter which way you dice it.
I just made the point that it isn't and mine is from first person experience with listening to about 15 metalcore bands extensively and trying out a bit of like 20 others. I can safely say that they are in fact Metal. After oyu have extensively listened to metalcore over a long period you may come back here and tell me its not. Because i can also make assumptions about music I don't know, of course they are not that good but at least i realise that... You are preaching to me that metalcore isn't metal, never mind the fact I listened to about a 100 times more metalcore than you (im kinda assuming you don't listen to metalcore and preach to me your opinions even though they aren't based on anything.) If you have then you are entitled to your opinion, but you opinion ain't worth anymore than mine and you will just have to live with the fact that most people think metalcore is metal.
Trivium in my eyes is definitely more punk than metal. The vocals are definitely NOT metal. Nothing metal about them. The songs are very pop punkish in nature. The drumming isn't too metal either.
KHAndAnime
Yes, because "To The Rats" isn't obviously a thrash metal song. How about say "Torn Between Scylla and Charybdis" with it's almost death metal growls and technical riffs? Yep, quite punk to me. Double kick in the drums is quite punk, isn't it?
You don't need to explain what you think about it to me, it's just the way things are. It's commonly accepted that metal core isn't metal. Progressive Metal isn't a hybrid of two genres. Metalcore is, and metalcore music is mostly punk - no matter which way you dice it. KHAndAnime
Lulz. So Rock and Roll isn't a proper genre because it's a fusion of blues, gospel and country music? It most definitely is a proper metal genre, but it is also a proper punk genre. Since when was it commonly accepted? Where are you getting these facts from? Just sounds like you don't like it and you're trying to "spin" your opinion into fact.
How about Sequoia Throne by Protest the Hero? Fast paced song. The riffs are very technical and metal. The vocals range from high pitched singing, high pitched screaming, death growls and normal singing, which is quite metal. The drumming is also very fast paced. Yep, this song is extremely punk.
All kinds but my favorite are Gothic/ Symphonic, Metalcore, Hardcore, and Death Metal. Also like Metalcore. I can't really only pick one or two their all so good.
I love metalcore. Atreyu, KSE, All That Remains, As I Lay Dying, Bullet For My Valentine, Haste The Day, etc. You name it in metalcore, and I probably listen to it. I don't understand why it gets so much hat these days though.
I love metalcore. Atreyu, KSE, All That Remains, As I Lay Dying, Bullet For My Valentine, Haste The Day, etc. You name it in metalcore, and I probably listen to it. I don't understand why it gets so much hat these days though.
[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Mainly punk though.KHAndAnime
I'd say it's about half an half. Take a band like Trivium, the vocals are Metal, the guitars are obviously quite metal, the drumming especially. Trivium in my eyes is definitely more punk than metal Oh my god what? :lol:
Just listen to Heaven shall burn if you really want to have the death metal vocals (death metal vocals aren't the only ones) meanwhile the instruments used are definitely metal. No question about it D:. Just cause metalcore isn't like death metal or doom metal doesn't mean its not metal. Its like saying power metal ain't metal. You'll just have to live with metalcore being considered metal by all but the elitists :(
KHAndAnime
What does it have to do with elitism? Can't you just accept your music falls under the hardcore/punk banner - not metal? We argue with logic and reason, and you argue with "buh..buh..elists". Because it doesn't. If we go by your "logic and reason" then Thrash Metal isn't metal. What about Dying Fetus? They take tons of influence from Hardcore punk but they're considered metal. This whole "METALCORE ISNT METAL" crap comes from a hate of the genre by a few vocal members here. If you don't consider metalcore metal because of slight punk influences, then you'd be a hypocrite to consider Thrash/Crossover/ and even some death metal as "true" metal
[QUOTE="aaronmullan"] I'd say it's about half an half. Take a band like Trivium, the vocals are Metal, the guitars are obviously quite metal, the drumming especially.Juggernaut140
Trivium in my eyes is definitely more punk than metal Oh my god what? :lol: Yeah, I'll go ahead and say what most people here don't agree with, but Metalcore is still Metal more than it is anything else.
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