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#1 m25105
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I didn't grow up religious, my parents never taught me anything, other than I couldn't eat pork. It was only later in life that I started to study Islam and became more aware of it. For some reason I always knew there was a God and the more I studied the closer I felt His presence.

I think I first started to become really aware of God when I was in Turkey, listening to the prayer calls daily and watch the beauty of the country I felt a stronger connection.

They say if you take one step towards God, He takes two steps towards you.

I'm not the best of Muslims, but there is no doubt in my mind, that Allah exists and that the prophets are His messengers.

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I didn't grow up religious, my parents never taught me anything, other than I couldn't eat pork. It was only later in life that I started to study Islam and became more aware of it. For some reason I always knew there was a God and the more I studied the closer I felt His presence.

I think I first started to become really aware of God when I was in Turkey, listening to the prayer calls daily and watch the beauty of the country I felt a stronger connection.

They say if you take one step towards God, He takes two steps towards you.

I'm not the best of Muslims, but there is no doubt that Allah exists and that the prophets are His messengers.

m25105
I was about to post, only to find out, we are not talking about the same "God" I had in mind. Regardless, bless you !
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I was in church all growing up and about 3 years ago (at age 19), I decided I wanted to believe in God, and not just for the comfort factor of knowing someone is always there. I choose to believe, because if I die believing, what have I lost if He doesn't exist? And if I die believing, I'm headed to an eternity in heaven. I'm not seeing anything wrong with that logic. I'm not some kind of radical christian by any means and I'm not going to condemn people for premarital sex, because I do it too. I'm not wishy washy in my beliefs, but I will not get into any religious discussion on this site, because all that happens is provocation. So I've said my peace, please do not pick this post apart and hate on me.
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#4 Omni-Slash
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The odds that everything in the universe was created and that our planet and life were created by some freak accident is so improbable that there most be something else out there.....though nothing religion wise has made me have any desire to follow them....
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[QUOTE="m25105"]

I didn't grow up religious, my parents never taught me anything, other than I couldn't eat pork. It was only later in life that I started to study Islam and became more aware of it. For some reason I always knew there was a God and the more I studied the closer I felt His presence.

I think I first started to become really aware of God when I was in Turkey, listening to the prayer calls daily and watch the beauty of the country I felt a stronger connection.

They say if you take one step towards God, He takes two steps towards you.

I'm not the best of Muslims, but there is no doubt that Allah exists and that the prophets are His messengers.

XxxExtremeNJBXx
I was about to post, only to find out, we are not talking about the same "God" I had in mind. Regardless, bless you !

Well Allah means God, in fact Arab Christians call God, Allah too. Thank you for your nice comment, though :)
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I was a very devout Christian a few years ago but I just lost the faith.
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The odds that everything in the universe was created and that our planet and life were created by some freak accident is so improbable that there most be something else out there.....though nothing religion wise has made me have any desire to follow them....Omni-Slash
That's exactly why I think evolution is utter BS.
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That's exactly why I think evolution is utter BS. XxxExtremeNJBXx
I'm actually completely on board with evolution....:D...
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#9 XxxExtremeNJBXx
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[QUOTE="XxxExtremeNJBXx"][QUOTE="m25105"]

I didn't grow up religious, my parents never taught me anything, other than I couldn't eat pork. It was only later in life that I started to study Islam and became more aware of it. For some reason I always knew there was a God and the more I studied the closer I felt His presence.

I think I first started to become really aware of God when I was in Turkey, listening to the prayer calls daily and watch the beauty of the country I felt a stronger connection.

They say if you take one step towards God, He takes two steps towards you.

I'm not the best of Muslims, but there is no doubt that Allah exists and that the prophets are His messengers.

m25105

I was about to post, only to find out, we are not talking about the same "God" I had in mind. Regardless, bless you !

Well Allah means God, in fact Arab Christians call God, Allah too. Thank you for your nice comment, though :)

No problem, concerning the comment;).

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What made me believe in God? Mostly because that's what I was taught to believe while growing up (I'm Jewish). But once I started to critically look at what I was being taught any faith I once had slowly began to disappear, and now I'm about as certain as one could humanely be that there is no God.
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#11 XxxExtremeNJBXx
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[QUOTE="XxxExtremeNJBXx"]That's exactly why I think evolution is utter BS. Omni-Slash
I'm actually completely on board with evolution....:D...

"The odds that everything in the universe was created and that our planet and life were created by some freak accident is so improbable that there most be something else out there..." That's a little misleading for someone who believes in evolution.
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"The odds that everything in the universe was created and that our planet and life were created by some freak accident is so improbable that there most be something else out there..." That's a little misleading for someone who believes in evolution.XxxExtremeNJBXx
see I don't think they are mutually exclusive...Evolution makes complete sense...if there is a god whom started life and is all powerfull yada yada yada....he/she/it would know that life constantly advances...strives to be better....it makes sense that if an animal is born with an advantage it will use that advantage to the best of it's ability and progress..become better....man would be no different....humanity gets so caught up in thinking that it's so special...we are just animals....sure we can think..and may be able to realize there is a god....but that doesn't mean we were meant to be like god...or be in his/her image...we jsut are.....
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#13 XxxExtremeNJBXx
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What made me believe in God? Mostly because that's what I was taught to believe while growing up (I'm Jewish). But once I started to critically look at what I was being taught any faith I once had slowly began to disappear, and now I'm about as certain as one could humanely be that there is no God.-Sun_Tzu-
I, living with my parents and in my mid-teen years, was and am being taught Christianity. About a year ago, I began to question the fact of the existence of a God. Only to conclude with the fact that I think evolution is a ridiculous theory. The Bible, in my opinion, makes much more sense than evolution ever has to me. But, that's just my 2 cents.
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[QUOTE="XxxExtremeNJBXx"] "The odds that everything in the universe was created and that our planet and life were created by some freak accident is so improbable that there most be something else out there..." That's a little misleading for someone who believes in evolution.Omni-Slash
see I don't think they are mutually exclusive...Evolution makes complete sense...if there is a god whom started life and is all powerfull yada yada yada....he/she/it would know that life constantly advances...strives to be better....it makes sense that if an animal is born with an advantage it will use that advantage to the best of it's ability and progress..become better....man would be no different....humanity gets so caught up in thinking that it's so special...we are just animals....sure we can think..and may be able to realize there is a god....but that doesn't mean we were meant to be like god...or be in his/her image...we jsut are.....

To each his own.
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I was in church all growing up and about 3 years ago (at age 19), I decided I wanted to believe in God, and not just for the comfort factor of knowing someone is always there. I choose to believe, because if I die believing, what have I lost if He doesn't exist? And if I die believing, I'm headed to an eternity in heaven. I'm not seeing anything wrong with that logic. I'm not some kind of radical christian by any means and I'm not going to condemn people for premarital sex, because I do it too. I'm not wishy washy in my beliefs, but I will not get into any religious discussion on this site, because all that happens is provocation. So I've said my peace, please do not pick this post apart and hate on me. 3eyedrazorback

You dont think god will know youre only believing in "Him" as a gamble? Whats that called....Pascal's wager or something like that....

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#16 tenaka2
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Most religious people have been indoctrinated at an early age by there parents.

Very few people 'find' god later in life.

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#17 m25105
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Most religious people have been indoctrinated at an early age by there parents.

Very few people 'find' god later in life.

tenaka2
That is simply not true.
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Most religious people have been indoctrinated at an early age by there parents.

Very few people 'find' god later in life.

m25105

That is simply not true.

Its obviously true, and easily to prove.

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[QUOTE="3eyedrazorback"]I was in church all growing up and about 3 years ago (at age 19), I decided I wanted to believe in God, and not just for the comfort factor of knowing someone is always there. I choose to believe, because if I die believing, what have I lost if He doesn't exist? And if I die believing, I'm headed to an eternity in heaven. I'm not seeing anything wrong with that logic. I'm not some kind of radical christian by any means and I'm not going to condemn people for premarital sex, because I do it too. I'm not wishy washy in my beliefs, but I will not get into any religious discussion on this site, because all that happens is provocation. So I've said my peace, please do not pick this post apart and hate on me. tekas0

You dont think god will know youre only believing in "Him" as a gamble? Whats that called....Pascal's wager or something like that....

I don't believe in Him simply as a gamble. That's just a way that I reason it to some people I guess. I believe in God 100%. I won't deny that. I believe that He has an impact on my life. What more should I say?
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#20 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Most religious people have been indoctrinated at an early age by there parents.

Very few people 'find' god later in life.

tenaka2

That is simply not true.

Its obviously true, and easily to prove.

Do it then.
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#21 tekas0
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Fair enough, not arguing or anything.

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#22 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] That is simply not true.m25105

Its obviously true, and easily to prove.

Do it then.

Are you suggesting that all around the world people are spontainiously converting to various religions?

Or do you think that people from say a Muslim family will turn our to be muslem or which they suddenly become a buddist?

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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Its obviously true, and easily to prove.

tenaka2

Do it then.

Are you suggesting that all around the world people are spontainiously converting to various religions?

Or do you think that people from say a Muslim family will turn our to be muslem or which they suddenly become a buddist?

I'm saying that a lot of people find their faith later in life, regardless whether they grew up in a religious household or not.

In fact in Turkey the youth are far more religious than their elders ever were.

You're saying that if you're not indoctrinated in faith by those that raise you, other than a tiny few, then you will not find faith as you grow older. I'm disputing that, since I and 3 of my brothers are examples of people finding faith, despite growing up in a household were religion never was discussed about.

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Whilst I am willing to accept that no one knows and probably never will know just how the universe began, i've found that generally the only people who dismiss evolution as fact are those that simply do not understand the process or have been taught that it is wrong by people that do not understand it.

Personally I find it more plausable that the universe and everything in it began and evolved without the intervention of an all powerful creator.

Obiously these are just MY opinions, try not to take them to heart or be offended.

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Here is a post of mine from a previous thread. It's a summary (although it gives the gyst of it).

Lately I've been avoiding posting in the religious themed threads because it's been my experience that they go nowhere. People go back and forth arguing a matter of faith by attempting to use the scientific method. To me, that makes little sense. However, that being said I find this particular topic a little intriguing.

I can't speak about anyone else but myself, so I'll just give a very brief history of the process of my conversion.

- Technically, I was born into a Jewish family. While they/we identified as Jewish, we were in no way a religious family. To be honest, the only way anyone could be able to tell we were Jewish would be to see a Manorah in the window during Hanukkah. As a child religion wasn't really part of my life and I never really thought about God at all. I really didn't have an opinion on the matter at all.

- As a teenager, like many other teenagers/young adults I was convinced I knew EVERYTHING. I was a devout atheist because if something couldn't be proven beyond any and all doubt, then it was nothing less than hogwash. I wouldn't go out of my way to ridicule religious people (as I see far too often here and in the real world) because I really didn't care what other people believed. "Don't bother me and I won't bother you" would be one way to describe it.

- When I was in my mid to late twenties I would ponder "the meaning of life" types of things (for back of a better phrase). I wondered if there is more to the world around me than meets the eye. I started to think about how we all got here (not just people, but the universe for that matter) with an evolving sort of "philosophy". (Again, for back of a better word). Forgetting about Judaism, Islam, Christianity or any other religion for the moment, the first question I sought an answer to was "Is there a God?"

- The more I thought about it, to more I started to think that there certainly could be. I began to look at the world again and noticed that literally nothing in the natural world is wasted. One animal defecates, and another animal/insect like a dung beetlecarts it off, as an example. If nothing gets wasted, I pondered, why is it impossible to think that people have a 'spiritual side' for a reason? I suppose one could argue that it has some type of ancient survival reason, and that might be partially true, but in my opinion I sensed that it is for more than ONLY that.I have neither the time nor the desire to go on and on about this, but over the course of a few years I came to the decision that there is, in fact, a God.

-Istarted reading about religions in general. Some things seemed to make sense while other things did not. Over time, I found myself drawn to Catholicism. A few years ago my wife (who wasn't particularly religious, yet was raised in a Catholic home) and I decided to go to Mass one Sunday afternoon. It was a wonderful experience. A lot of people make all kinds of accusations about religious services being nothing more than indoctrination attempts. Perhaps that is true in some place, but that was certainly not the case here. It was a Roman Catholic church if that means anything to anyone.

-After attending Masses for a year or so, I felt compelled to sign up for a year long RCIA class (Rites of Christian Innitiation for Adults). My wife, whom was baptized as a child but never received her confirmation decided to sign up as well. It was a long journey (not to say that it was joyless). Anyway, this past Easter Vigil I was baptized, and we both received our confirmation and communion (along with some other people that were in the class).

So, that's one individual story of "How can an atheist ever convert to a religion?"

As a side note, and again I can only speak for myself, I am certainly a religious person but I don't shun findings made by science in any way. I work in Civil, Structural and (to an extent) Mechanical Engineering by trade, so I can certainly appreciate the sciences. My wife works in the medical field, so she has a huge appreciation for advances made in medicine. I think thatGod set theuniverse in place, and science is our way to learn about His creation.

I personally believe in evolution, but I think the species have been "guided" in a way. I don't take each individual word of the Bible literally (for reasons including but not limited to the fact that I can't read it in it's original language). I do take some stories metaphorically. Sort of like how God did, in fact, make man from clay. Sort of like us evolving from that primordial ooze.

I could go on and on but theres no reason to really. I'm at work and wrote this off and on so I hope it makes any sense (gramatically that is). I guess in closing I'd just say that I think sometimes people have a huge miconception about "religous people" as if they are all fanatics that do nothing but pray all day and follow some priests orders. From my experiences, couldn't be farther from the truth.

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#26 arbitor365
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the honest answer would be "indoctrination" for about 95% of people

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#27 m25105
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the honest answer would be "indoctrination" for about 95% of people

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Prove it.
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@YellowOneKinobi liked your post enough to read it all.
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[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

the honest answer would be "indoctrination" for about 95% of people

m25105
Prove it.

lolz
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[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

the honest answer would be "indoctrination" for about 95% of people

m25105

Prove it.

No need to, its obvious.

If people randomly converted to random religions there all the world would be a massive mix of religions. Instead religions are generally grouped in areas or countries.

For example most religious people in Turkey would be muslems.

By your reasoning Turkey should be full of people randomly converting to a host or other religions. But this is not the case.

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@YellowOneKinobi liked your post enough to read it all.GazaAli
Thanks. I'm glad it didn't put you to sleep :)

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]@YellowOneKinobi liked your post enough to read it all.YellowOneKinobi

Thanks. I'm glad it didn't put you to sleep :)

I'll second this. Still somewhat different views, but still, very interesting post.
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I grew up with it, went through a period of where I questioned it,then went back to it. I thought to myself "Religion has done so much bad, but I've also seen it do so much good" honestly. Religion is not the problem...people are.
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Can we tell how we stoppedbeleiving in god? Or in my case, organized religion.

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I used to believe in God because I was afraid of death and being sent to hell. But I stopped believing when I realized that hell doesn't exist.
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#36 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="arbitor365"]

the honest answer would be "indoctrination" for about 95% of people

tenaka2

Prove it.

No need to, its obvious.

If people randomly converted to random religions there all the world would be a massive mix of religions. Instead religions are generally grouped in areas or countries.

For example most religious people in Turkey would be muslems.

By your reasoning Turkey should be full of people randomly converting to a host or other religions. But this is not the case.

People don't randomly convert, a person that converts to another religion studies it carefully. What you and the other poster are implying is that people can't think for themselves and just follow the faith of their parents. Where as, like I already posted, that's not the case. Turkey is a secular nation and the older generation are actually not very religious at all, the young generation are. So to go back to your point and the other posters point, before you tried to spin it, if you grow up in a household were your parents aren't religious at all, then that doesn't mean you won't find faith when you grow up yourself. My parents never once taught me about Islam, all I knew was, "Don't eat pork" that's it. If I lived like my parents I probably would have never found faith in God, but just be a paper Muslim.
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[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

the honest answer would be "indoctrination" for about 95% of people

m25105
Prove it.

How do you explain why there are such a large concentration of Muslims in the Middle East? Or why there are so many Christians in the Bible belt?
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Can we tell how we stoppedbeleiving in god? Or in my case, organized religion.

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No, every thread about religion is overwhelmed with atheists. Let's have one thread at least were people of different nations and faiths can discuss how they found their faith.
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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="arbitor365"]

the honest answer would be "indoctrination" for about 95% of people

Lonelynight
Prove it.

How do you explain why there are such a large concentration of Muslims in the Middle East? Or why there are so many Christians in the Bible belt?

How do you explain a secular nation like Turkey, were for generations people were very little religious now have a very strong growing religious?
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#40 tenaka2
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People don't randomly convert, a person that converts to another religion studies it carefully. What you and the other poster are implying is that people can't think for themselves and just follow the faith of their parents. Where as, like I already posted, that's not the case. Turkey is a secular nation and the older generation are actually not very religious at all, the young generation are. So to go back to your point and the other posters point, before you tried to spin it, if you grow up in a household were your parents aren't religious at all, then that doesn't mean you won't find faith when you grow up yourself. My parents never once taught me about Islam, all I knew was, "Don't eat pork" that's it. If I lived like my parents I probably would have never found faith in God, but just be a paper Muslim.m25105

Well some people need religion while others don't I guess.

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#41 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Can we tell how we stoppedbeleiving in god? Or in my case, organized religion.

m25105
No, every thread about religion is overwhelmed with atheists. Let's have one thread at least were people of different nations and faiths can discuss how they found their faith.

I see your point and agree with it. Carry on. :)
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#42 Aquat1cF1sh
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Nothing has made me decide to believe in God, I'm agnostic. :)
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#43 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Can we tell how we stoppedbeleiving in god? Or in my case, organized religion.

DroidPhysX

No, every thread about religion is overwhelmed with atheists. Let's have one thread at least were people of different nations and faiths can discuss how they found their faith.

I see your point and agree with it. Carry on. :)

Thank you. I actually have atheists friends, since despite our different beliefs they realise that a lot of their loved ones believe and proclaiming them all as stupid and ignorant and then try and enforce their belief on them, would be no different than would a religious fanatic would do.

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#44 Lonelynight
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[QUOTE="m25105"] How do you explain a secular nation like Turkey, were for generations people were very little religious now have a very strong growing religious?

Proof?
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#45 m25105
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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="m25105"] How do you explain a secular nation like Turkey, were for generations people were very little religious now have a very strong growing religious?

Proof?

AKP.
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#46 arbitor365
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the honest answer would be "indoctrination" for about 95% of people

m25105

Prove it.

its just a simple fact of social science. Religions are passed down throughout generations. Parents naturally teach their children to share their own world view. Some parents do this to a harsher exetent than others, but either way it is still indoctrination and that is how most Christians are initially introduced to Christianity. the same thing applies to all religions of all places throughout all of history.

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#47 FatSlasH
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I don't understand why you'd wanna worship a God that lets so many innocent people suffer, the only logical conclusion is

He doesn't exist

or

He's a jackass

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#48 m25105
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I don't understand why you'd wanna worship a God that lets so many innocent people suffer, the only logical conclusion is

He doesn't exist

or

He's a jackass

FatSlasH
It's called free will.
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#49 DroidPhysX
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I don't understand why you'd wanna worship a God that lets so many innocent people suffer, the only logical conclusion is

He doesn't exist

or

He's a jackass

FatSlasH

No, it's up to people's interpretation. Blasting religion because of what a small group of people do in the name of it is bad logic

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#50 arbitor365
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[QUOTE="FatSlasH"]

I don't understand why you'd wanna worship a God that lets so many innocent people suffer, the only logical conclusion is

He doesn't exist

or

He's a jackass

m25105

It's called free will.

does that mean there wont be any "free will" in heaven?

If there is "free will" in heaven, than couldnt he clearly make a universe with "free will" without such things as aids, mutilation, war, disease, ect?