So what's your opinion on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Even though Israel was clearly told not to settle in the Palestinian territories like the West Bank, they still did and they still do. I think the first thing Israel should do is to pull out of the West Bank. That will ease tensions between Israel and the rest of the Middle East.

Palestine should try to be a little friendlier with Israel, just so they can avoid getting their homes and schools obliterated.

Your thoughts?

Blah blah blah, they're both partly guilty, we only care because of the religious and historical importance of the situation. Israeli settlers are ****, the Palestinians can't organize a functioning government and for whatever reason the States got itself involved (mainly to get their foot in the middle east) thus we are supposed to care.

To be honest I'm pretty sick of hearing about it and I don't understand why people feel so strongly in favour of one side or another. I think we should stop our support for Israel and let them figure it out themselves. It's not our problem.

Oh, man. Ever since they became a country there been some many wars over there.

A huge mess that the UK and the UN need to take more responsibility of considering this whole thing is their fault.

I overall support Palestine.

but i do have some sympathy for the Israeli's as well.

I do believe most people in this world could give a crap about the Arab world, if the modern state of Israel was never established. most of major wars have had something to do with the state of Israel.

I personally think this is what the a just peace deal would be.

1. the 1967 borders with minor changes.

2. current Israeli settlers will either have to move back into Israel proper, or become citizens of the new found Palestine.

3. Jerusalem is under a shared authority between both parties (if i had to i'd throw Arab support to give Israel incentive to agree to this)

4. Palestine gets control of all of its resources (believe it or not even in the deal between Barak and Arafat, the Israeli's would not guarantee Palestininans control of their own resources like the underground water reservoirs).

5. Palestinians lose the right to return, they may return to the villages in the new found Palestine. West Bank and Gaza.

The problem is, with the exception of Syria and Iran, (Gaza and Hezbollah can be deal with if it were for those two). the Arab goverments (i can speak for the Gulf states) are ready and willing to settle the issue. in fact the Saudi Peace Initative in 2002 called for Israel to move back to the 1967 border, and all Arab states would then have normalized relations. and yes they got all 22 Arab states to sign this. We now have an American President, who is calling for Israel to stop settlement construction, stealing land outright. he even sent his envoy on his third day as President to deal with the matter on his behalf. Something no American President that i can think of has done. There is a Palestinian leader (Mahmoud Abbas) who is playing by Israel's rules, and is looking like a fool as the Israeli zionist nutjobs grab more and more land.

then Israel elects Benjamin Netanyahu.... a man who can't even say the word Palestine. without his shriveled Grinch heart having a heart attack.

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Quite frankly I think the leaders of both sides are egotistical morons and support neither.

My side lies with the Palestinians.

Quite frankly I think the leaders of both sides are egotistical morons and support neither.

GabuEx

Both sides have been at the center of countless human rights violations, but the Palestinians are the underdogs. Plus, in the two thousand years before 1900 (the time the Zionist movement began), the Palestinians were the majority by a vast margin.

I'm undecided at the moment.

I don't know a lot about this area, but it does seem like it's David v Goliath (with Israel being Goliath.) and Israel constantly make themselves look bad and are bordering on being a terrorist state with their actions. Palestine also does a whole bunch of bad stuff but as they're the 'oppressed' people are more sympathetic towards them. It's a big mess and I don't see it being sorted out any time soon.

I don't know, Israel wasn't really legitimately made in my opinion.

It's their problem. So, right now I don't care. The USA should not be involved in any way with their conflict though- thats what i know.

Just draw like another 38th line parallel over there.

Neutral on the matter, but i do believe Israel uses excessive force on too many occasions. Remember when russia went into georgia the US military was all over that and everyone was QQing at russia? Well Isarael basically does the same and they get a strongly worded letter. Either way it's a stupid conflict. Land? Really? Israel should just give them back thier land and be done with it.

Even though Israel was clearly told not to settle in the Palestinian territories like the West Bank, they still did and they still do. I think the first thing Israel should do is to pull out of the West Bank. That will ease tensions between Israel and the rest of the Middle East.

Palestine should try to be a little friendlier with Israel, just so they can avoid getting their homes and schools obliterated.

Your thoughts?

ghoklebutter

I think the Palestinians will still be attacking Israel no matter what Israel does short of dissolving the entire country and leaving the continent. I don't think they should give them an inch.mfp16

I've seen it first hand when I went to Israel this summer. You think tension was bad during civil rights movement here in America? Its nothing compared to centuries of ill-feelings... But I support Israel because the land belonged to the Jews long before the arabs.DarKre

then who are the Canaanites? i seem to remember they owned the land before God told the Jews to kill em' all off the land.

and since when does someone who had in the past give them the right to take it back - well after hundreds of years after the fact? if its out of sympathy for the Jewish people, then why not give Kurds, Tibetans, and the countless other smaller groups their own nations, or are you actually inherently bias for the Jews because your background with the Judeo-Christian philosophy?

If some Indian tribe said that their Great Spirit told them that the land you and your dad grew up on belonged to them, you'd of grabbed your shotgun and told them to **** off.

Don't play the "it was their's in the beginning' card and act like you have a clear conscience.

I support Palestine, they are going to be pushed into the ocean in a decade or two at the rate of the crap going on. I don't see how either side will ever come out a winner in this conflict unless the whole world gets nuked.

Just draw like another 38th line parallel over there.

avatar_genius

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

Just draw like another 38th line parallel over there.

Jacobistheman

Its gone on for 60 years, its going to go on for another 60 years. It makes no difference what anyone says.

I support neither (and I am Muslim). Both sides are way too stubborn for their own good. They need to either find peace, or keep suffering innocent casualties. However there is one thing that bothers me, and that is that the US gives military aid to Israel. This has to stop, the US has already paid a tremendous price for supporting Israel unquestioningly, they need to be completely neutral in the conflict and just try and find a peace deal between the two sides. Fuzzy_Bear123

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

Just draw like another 38th line parallel over there.

carrot-cake

Its gone on for 60 years, its going to go on for another 60 years. It makes no difference what anyone says.

outworld222

Anwar Sadat makes peace with Israel, killed by Muslim Brotherhood

Yitzahk Rabin gets very close to making peace with PLO, killed by Yigal Amir (A fundamentalist Jew)

King Abdullah 1 of Jordan, is assassinated by a fellow Muslim, because of Jordan and Lebanon's plans to make peace with Israel

Ghandi tries to settle peace between Pakistan and India, is killed by a Hindu extremist.

it's always the crazies in our own camps that will kill us.....

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the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab Peace process is very close and dear to my heart, and i care a great deal to see it come to it's conclusion. so i know my **** pretty well...

[QUOTE="Fuzzy_Bear123"]I support neither (and I am Muslim). Both sides are way too stubborn for their own good. They need to either find peace, or keep suffering innocent casualties. However there is one thing that bothers me, and that is that the US gives military aid to Israel. This has to stop, the US has already paid a tremendous price for supporting Israel unquestioningly, they need to be completely neutral in the conflict and just try and find a peace deal between the two sides. SaudiFury

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Fuzzy_Bear123"]I support neither (and I am Muslim). Both sides are way too stubborn for their own good. They need to either find peace, or keep suffering innocent casualties. However there is one thing that bothers me, and that is that the US gives military aid to Israel. This has to stop, the US has already paid a tremendous price for supporting Israel unquestioningly, they need to be completely neutral in the conflict and just try and find a peace deal between the two sides. Fuzzy_Bear123

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

Its gone on for 60 years, its going to go on for another 60 years. It makes no difference what anyone says.

SaudiFury

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

Its gone on for 60 years, its going to go on for another 60 years. It makes no difference what anyone says.

SaudiFury

Anwar Sadat makes peace with Israel, killed by Muslim Brotherhood

Yitzahk Rabin gets very close to making peace with PLO, killed by Yigal Amir (A fundamentalist Jew)

King Abdullah 1 of Jordan, is assassinated by a fellow Muslim, because of Jordan and Lebanon's plans to make peace with Israel

Ghandi tries to settle peace between Pakistan and India, is killed by a Hindu extremist.

it's always the crazies in our own camps that will kill us.....

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the Israeli-Palestinian/Arab Peace process is very close and dear to my heart, and i care a great deal to see it come to it's conclusion. so i know my **** pretty well...

Well thats not exactly painting a fair picture, you make it sound as if Anwar al Sadat and King Abdullah were doing it out of a geniune attempt to create peace, when in fact King Abdullah had deeper dynastic intentions and was attempting to solidify his rule and Anwar al Sadat sold out the Palestinians to secure Sinai for the Egyptians.

I don't think that the so called fundamentalist are the real obstacle to peace. If you look at Syria, hell even Hamas has said that it would agree to an at least 15 year cease fire if a Palestinian State was created in the 1967 borders, before someone says "oh great 15 years" this is basically all Hamas can say short of recognizing Israel and losing their support with the resistance movement.

The real obstacle to the peace process is that Israel has no incentive to recognize Palestine. They can just keep on expanding without facing any real consequences. Thats why the only way to end the issue is to put pressure on Israel internationally and internally to recognize Palestine as a sovreign state.

Get rid of that Abbas as well, he has about as much credibility in the Arab world as George Bush, very few Palestinians trust him anymore.

I think the Palestinians will still be attacking Israel no matter what Israel does short of dissolving the entire country and leaving the continent. I don't think they should give them an inch.mfp16

[QUOTE="mfp16"]I think the Palestinians will still be attacking Israel no matter what Israel does short of dissolving the entire country and leaving the continent. I don't think they should give them an inch.th3warr1or

Throwing rocks at a tank is not stupidity. It's desperation.

If foreign tanks invaded your country, threatened your home and family, took away everything you felt it was worth living for, wouldn't you react in the same way?

Regardless, do you really believe kids deserve to be blown apart by a tank for throwing rocks?

I would HIDE. It's a WAR. Enemies will probably shoot you at fight sight even if you're not taunting them. It's called desperation when you fight back. It's called stupidity when you expose yourself to the enemy and use useless weapons. If you can't win, hide. th3warr1or

Argue all you want. Doesn't change the fact that unless Israel loses, nothing is going to happen. That itself makes me happy, because all of you people saying that Israel should be tried for their "war crimes", but oh wait a minute, it's not a war. Either way, one side is going to wipe the other off. And by the looks of it, it's Palestine that's going. th3warr1or

Palestinians are far from innocent. Also, I'm not happy about Israelis dying, but if they're going to, there's nothing I can do to stop it. I don't give a crap about that "morally bankrupt" stuff. Whatever you say doesn't even affect my life. I do find joy in finally seeing the Hamas get owned though. 40000 rockets isn't going to be enough to stop Israel. They've pretty much sealed their own doom. th3warr1or

Apparently you're not disregarding it though, cause you're replying to it. These "innocent" kids kill people and are the same kids that empty an AK-47 into people.th3warr1or

No, they're not. The people you're talking about are terrorists. They sneak into Israel into a big urban centre like Tel Aviv and kill innocent Israelis. They are scum, I have no sympathy for them.

The people throwing rocks at tanks are children in the West Bank (a Palestinian territory). It's not a warzone, it's their home. It is not part of Israel, despite the settler movements and IDF trying to oppress them.

Taking a human life, whether it's a militant or civilian doesn't matter. You're still killing someone. So killing becomes 'legal' when you call yourself a "soldier"? If these kids are cowering in a corner and then Israel looks for them actively and then shoots them, I'll be disgusted. You don't stand there and taunt a passing tank in a warzone. th3warr1or

It happens so frequently it barely merits me arguing it. You can find entire websites full of them.

No doubt many are fabricated, but civilian casualties, even children, are a fact of life in the West Bank. The most famous of these was Muhammad al-Durrah, although that's a notoriously controversial case.

Israel all the way here, the Jews after WW2 were given a plot of land smack bang in the middle of the Muslim terrortories. Since Israel was created they have been fighting off countries. Personally I think Israel have every right to fight back.

Israel all the way here, the Jews after WW2 were given a plot of land smack bang in the middle of the Muslim terrortories. Since Israel was created they have been fighting off countries. Personally I think Israel have every right to fight back.

clyde46

Do the people who were already there have any rights?