So what's your opinion on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Israel all the way here, the Jews after WW2 were given a plot of land smack bang in the middle of the Muslim terrortories. Since Israel was created they have been fighting off countries. Personally I think Israel have every right to fight back.

Danm_999

Do the people who were already there have any rights?

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Israel all the way here, the Jews after WW2 were given a plot of land smack bang in the middle of the Muslim terrortories. Since Israel was created they have been fighting off countries. Personally I think Israel have every right to fight back.

Danm_999

Do the people who were already there have any rights?

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Israel all the way here, the Jews after WW2 were given a plot of land smack bang in the middle of the Muslim terrortories. Since Israel was created they have been fighting off countries. Personally I think Israel have every right to fight back.

th3warr1or

Do the people who were already there have any rights?

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Israel all the way here, the Jews after WW2 were given a plot of land smack bang in the middle of the Muslim terrortories. Since Israel was created they have been fighting off countries. Personally I think Israel have every right to fight back.

clyde46

Do the people who were already there have any rights?

I'm not returning to this thread. It's all pointless discussion. Even if you win the argument, or I win the argument, the outcome is still the same: Israel wins the fight. th3warr1or

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]I'm not returning to this thread. It's all pointless discussion. Even if you win the argument, or I win the argument, the outcome is still the same: Israel wins the fight. Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]I'm not returning to this thread. It's all pointless discussion. Even if you win the argument, or I win the argument, the outcome is still the same: Israel wins the fight. th3warr1or

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]I'm not returning to this thread. It's all pointless discussion. Even if you win the argument, or I win the argument, the outcome is still the same: Israel wins the fight. Danm_999

palestinians are stupid, they aren't organized, they are suicidals but i support them, simply coz if i were them, i would do the same thing.

i can't beleive some still believe Israel wants peace, everday they destroy houses, kill ppl, take prisoners.... do you ppl realize that for every Israelian citizin killed, around 15 to 20 palestinians are killed.

everyday somesomeone loses a relative, how come palestinians surrender after all of that killing?????!!!!!!

I support niether.. Both sides have had numerous innocent people suffer.. Though people of former Palastine have undoubtably suffered far more, with being forced out of their land with no compensation into extreme poverty.. To me I see Israel as far worse because they are the ones in advantage with superior military and the like, and they have failed nearly on every occasion to use it responsibily over a long period of time.. The US seriously needs to stop supporting them unquestioningly if they want to even remotely have neutral relations with the Middle East. I support the innocents on both sides, I in no way understand nor support the hardliner government of Israel.. I do not support the actions of groups like the Hama's but I at least understand why they are so angry at Israel and the like.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]I'm not returning to this thread. It's all pointless discussion. Even if you win the argument, or I win the argument, the outcome is still the same: Israel wins the fight. -Pred-Alien-

Israel is not outnumbered within its own borders, but those borders are largely a creation of a 1948 population transfer, followed up by rigorous attempts to keep Palestinian Arabs out. There are about 7 million people in Israel, Arab citizens are about 20%, leaving roughly 5.6 million Jewish Israelis.

Most natives to Palestine were driven out in 1948. The Gaza Strip has about 1.4 million people is one of the most heavily populated regions on Earth (it's about twice the size of DC), the West Bank around 2.3 million. There are also significant populations of Palestinians in Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon.

Israel has to contend with these massive populations in neighbouring regions, not to mention nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia, which consider the conflict a religious duty.

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Can Israel hold out forever? It's already outnumbered, and in the next few decades it will become increasingly so given its relatively low birth rate compared to Muslim families. It's already jumping at Iran's shadows, how long until it meets a challenge it can't complete?Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]The stats say that the the Arab population of Israel (not including Palestinian Territories) is roughly 20% yet when you check the stats of the all the major cities (other than Jerusalem) thats hardly the case.sSubZerOo

Wasn't PalestinePROMISED to the Isralies by the Allies, or most notably, Great Britain?

Wasn't PalestinePROMISED to the Isralies by the Allies, or most notably, Great Britain?

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Can Israel hold out forever? It's already outnumbered, and in the next few decades it will become increasingly so given its relatively low birth rate compared to Muslim families. It's already jumping at Iran's shadows, how long until it meets a challenge it can't complete?Danm_999

Israel is not outnumbered within its own borders, but those borders are largely a creation of a 1948 population transfer, followed up by rigorous attempts to keep Palestinian Arabs out. There are about 7 million people in Israel, Arab citizens are about 20%, leaving roughly 5.6 million Jewish Israelis.

Most natives to Palestine were driven out in 1948. The Gaza Strip has about 1.4 million people is one of the most heavily populated regions on Earth (it's about twice the size of DC), the West Bank around 2.3 million. There are also significant populations of Palestinians in Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon.

Israel has to contend with these massive populations in neighbouring regions, not to mention nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia, which consider the conflict a religious duty.

Both sides are at fault for a variety of things.

Blah blah blah, they're both partly guilty, we only care because of the religious and historical importance of the situation. Israeli settlers are ****, the Palestinians can't organize a functioning government and for whatever reason the States got itself involved (mainly to get their foot in the middle east) thus we are supposed to care.

To be honest I'm pretty sick of hearing about it and I don't understand why people feel so strongly in favour of one side or another. I think we should stop our support for Israel and let them figure it out themselves. It's not our problem.

D_Battery

I do not support either's current position. Palestine should be given a good amount of land and have their own country. Israel shouldn't take such a hard line against concessions IMO. I think Israel's government tends to forget how long that land was under Islamic rule, only to be thrown out and Israel established after WWII. So my point, I guess, is I want a Israel and Palestine. Boundaries that are fair to both parties.

Give each sides sticks and let them fight it out....centuries of fighting over a freakin dustbowl....time to grow up and join the human race...Omni-Slash

The Palastinians have real reason to be angry.. How would you feel if you were forced out of your homes and off your property to go live in shanty towns.. People seem to think that this is completely religious when its not, especially when it comes to the Palastianians.. They have real reasons to be angry, and Israel's hardliner government refuse to even make a compromise of any kind.. Infact they have invaded territory that isn't theirs and settled on it countless times.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] The Palastinians have real reason to be angry.. How would you feel if you were forced out of your homes and off your property to go live in shanty towns.. People seem to think that this is completely religious when its not, especially when it comes to the Palastianians.. They have real reasons to be angry, and Israel's hardliner government refuse to even make a compromise of any kind.. Infact they have invaded territory that isn't theirs and settled on it countless times.Omni-Slash

palestinians are stupid, they aren't organized, they are suicidals but i support them, simply coz if i were them, i would do the same thing.

i can't beleive some still believe Israel wants peace, everday they destroy houses, kill ppl, take prisoners.... do you ppl realize that for every Israelian citizin killed, around 15 to 20 palestinians are killed.

everyday somesomeone loses a relative, how come palestinians surrender after all of that killing?????!!!!!!2mrw

These Palestinains are hypocrites. First of all, there was no such thing as a Palestinian state before 1919. A Palestinian state is a modern invention and secondly these Palestinians have enough other places to go to. These Palestinians can go to Jordan, they can go to Egypt and they can go to Saudi Arabia but for some weird reason they want pieces of Israel but guess what: They're not gonna get one inch of Israel at least not when Bibi Netanyahu is in power.

I never said they were "innocent' I am pointing out that what do you expect.. You seem to be completely ignorant on the idea why these people are angry.. Lets kick you and your family out of your house with out compensation and put you in extreme poverty in a shanty town.. Lets see than how calm you are.

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I never said they were "innocent' I am pointing out that what do you expect.. You seem to be completely ignorant on the idea why these people are angry.. Lets kick you and your family out of your house with out compensation and put you in extreme poverty in a shanty town.. Lets see than how calm you are.

I feel bad for everyone. The jewish people got close to getting genocided and they were rewarded by being given land that the anyone with half a brain knew would result in them being constantly attacked. I'd argue that they were given the land specifically for this reason, but that's a conspiracy theory for another thread. The people of Palestine woke up one day and were told, "Some people who have ZERO connection to you did something bad so we're stealing your land from you and giving it to someone else." I feel worse for the Palestinians though. Jewish people say stuff like, "this was in our holy book so we should have it. Religious texts (which I regard as highly as Aesop's Fables and fairy tales) should be treated like legally binding documents in the modern age." They lose a few pity points for that.Senor_Kami

okay here is my veiw... being a Judeo-Christian... jews are gods people, god gave them the land, and no matter what happens, gods people will have their land, no force on this earth will stop it so i side with the ones who have the same god as me. yes i am saying my religion infuences my politics... omg who would ever think that could happen. good thing i purchased this level 99 flame sheild. i always get flamed for this one.

okay here is my veiw... being a Judeo-Christian... jews are gods people, god gave them the land, and no matter what happens, gods people will have their land, no force on this earth will stop it so i side with the ones who have the same god as me. yes i am saying my religion infuences my politics... omg who would ever think that could happen. good thing i purchased this level 99 flame sheild. i always get flamed for this one.

Twisted-Ice-God

okay here is my veiw... being a Judeo-Christian... jews are gods people, god gave them the land, and no matter what happens, gods people will have their land, no force on this earth will stop it so i side with the ones who have the same god as me. yes i am saying my religion infuences my politics... omg who would ever think that could happen. good thing i purchased this level 99 flame sheild. i always get flamed for this one.

Twisted-Ice-God

Okay, so let's say that it's their land. That still doesn't give them an excuse to treat Palestinians like 2nd class citizens.

This kind of line of thinking creates some of the greatest acts of evil in history.. I hope your proud of your ideals.. Oh did you know that Hitler too thought it was the German people/aryan race's manifest destiny to rule? sSubZerOo

This might sound shocking to you but many Arabs actually supported Hitler Adolf Hitler thought of Arabs as an inferior "race", yet he praised Islam in its 'war like' TOTALITARIAN ideology. He saw them as a great disposable tool to be used against the Jews andthe mufti fell for it.

Okay, so let's say that it's their land. That still doesn't give them an excuse to treat Palestinians like 2nd class citizens.ghoklebutter

Really? And why is it ok that Americans treatMexicans as 2nd class citizens and Israel doesn't have the same right? The Palestinians are not part of Israel so Israel doesn't really own them anything.

yes i did know that was hitlers dream, i also know that if the jews would have done as they were commanded to when they entered the holy land they wouldnt be in this situation, they were told to destroy everything when they came in, man woman child all of it, and they didnt, so after so many generations of people being raised up telling there children these are the people who slew your fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers, now there is war in a place that should have been peaceful. i know some people would say i am justifying genocide and in part i am. not at the discresion of just anyone, but when commanded by god, its not evil because god has the right to judge not man. yeah i already know i need a flame suit now.

Twisted-Ice-God

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]This kind of line of thinking creates some of the greatest acts of evil in history.. I hope your proud of your ideals.. Oh did you know that Hitler too thought it was the German people/aryan race's manifest destiny to rule? X4D

This might sound shocking to you but many Arabs actually supported Hitler Adolf Hitler thought of Arabs as an inferior "race", yet he praised Islam in its 'war like' TOTALITARIAN ideology. He saw them as a great disposable tool to be used against the Jews andthe mufti fell for it.

Wtf is Hitler talking about. I read the Qur'an and there's nothing like that.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]Okay, so let's say that it's their land. That still doesn't give them an excuse to treat Palestinians like 2nd class citizens.X4D

Really? And why is it ok that Americans treatMexicans as 2nd class citizens and Israel doesn't have the same right? The Palestinians are not part of Israel so Israel doesn't really own them anything.

Assumptions FTL! I don't like Americans to do that to the Mexicans either.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I never said they were "innocent' I am pointing out that what do you expect.. You seem to be completely ignorant on the idea why these people are angry.. Lets kick you and your family out of your house with out compensation and put you in extreme poverty in a shanty town.. Lets see than how calm you are.

Omni-Slash

yes i did know that was hitlers dream, i also know that if the jews would have done as they were commanded to when they entered the holy land they wouldnt be in this situation, they were told to destroy everything when they came in, man woman child all of it, and they didnt, so after so many generations of people being raised up telling there children these are the people who slew your fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers, now there is war in a place that should have been peaceful. i know some people would say i am justifying genocide and in part i am. not at the discresion of just anyone, but when commanded by god, its not evil because god has the right to judge not man. yeah i already know i need a flame suit now.

Twisted-Ice-God

Until people in the middle east stop being so religious the fighting will never stop and it's unfortunate.

Wow and the Israelis never ever put them in an open air prison, starving them to death. But somebody as educated as you on the matter knows that the 'Palestinians' only fired rockets and killled three people for fun:roll:-Pred-Alien-

god didnt just arbitrarily say go kill who ever you want jews, he had a specific plan for what was to come to pass, and for that he needed certain people cleared out, and not be a problem later on, so yeah, when its part of a god given order i think i follow it, kinda like how the army of gideon won their battle by following gods command, how the walls of jericho came down, how david slew goliath... Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego... need i keep on going? i just know that i would rather be on the side of god, than the other side, tends to end badly for them.

Twisted-Ice-God

[QUOTE="Twisted-Ice-God"]

god didnt just arbitrarily say go kill who ever you want jews, he had a specific plan for what was to come to pass, and for that he needed certain people cleared out, and not be a problem later on, so yeah, when its part of a god given order i think i follow it, kinda like how the army of gideon won their battle by following gods command, how the walls of jericho came down, how david slew goliath... Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego... need i keep on going? i just know that i would rather be on the side of god, than the other side, tends to end badly for them.

mfp16

I'm religious and even I think that offensive.

okay then what about the people who fought those battles of the old testiment? they followed that god, so do they have no place as well? just because you dont belive in god doesnt mean god is going to do things your way. what about the great flood, god killed off all of humanity exept 1 family... do you think that was wicked of god too?