So while we are on the brink of World War 3

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[QUOTE="STWELCH"]Ha, I think you would be surprised how easy the US could crush the Russian military.Flotsam

Well fist of all russia has more infanry soldiers, second it has more tanks and third most important its has more nukes, twice as many.

Most of those advantages are null in modern combat. Possessing twice as many nuclear weapons is irrelevant if you don't have a survivable second-strike capability and reliable delivery systems. That's not to mention the fact that both sides have significantly more nuclear weapons than are necessary to destroy each other. It's mutually assured destruction. If your tank operators and infantry are poorly trained numerical advantages mean nothing. I also suspect that Russia's economy isn't robust enough to sustain a full blown war with the United States. Either way, war would be far too costly for both sides, hence why it isn't going to happen.

[QUOTE="Flotsam"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="HookedOnKiLLing"]

[QUOTE="STWELCH"]Ha, I think you would be surprised how easy the US could crush the Russian military.UrbanSpartan125

Well fist of all russia has more infanry soldiers, second it has more tanks and third most important its has more nukes, twice as many.

The M1 Abrams can crush any tank on the battlefield today, the Russian T-90 would not stand any chance against it.

There have been 10,000 M1 Abrams built but only 580 T-90s the T-72s as seen in Iraq stand no chance against an Abrams, with them losing 5,000 tanks to no US losses.

There are 8000 of m1 vs 23000. there 800000 full duty soldiers in the US, Russia has 1000000.

[QUOTE="Flotsam"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="HookedOnKiLLing"]

[QUOTE="STWELCH"]Ha, I think you would be surprised how easy the US could crush the Russian military.xXBuffJeffXx

Well fist of all russia has more infanry soldiers, second it has more tanks and third most important its has more nukes, twice as many.

Most of those advantages are null in modern combat. Possessing twice as many nuclear weapons is irrelevant if you don't have a survivable second-strike capability and reliable delivery systems. That's not to mention the fact that both sides have significantly more nuclear weapons than are necessary to destroy each other. It's mutually assured destruction. If your tank operators and infantry are poorly trained numerical advantages mean nothing. I also suspect that Russia's economy isn't robust enough to sustain a full blown war with the United States. Either way, war would be far too costly for both sides, hence why it isn't going to happen.

I am not saying that Russia will win i am just showing that US wont win easy battle.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"][QUOTE="Flotsam"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="HookedOnKiLLing"]

[QUOTE="STWELCH"]Ha, I think you would be surprised how easy the US could crush the Russian military.Flotsam

Well fist of all russia has more infanry soldiers, second it has more tanks and third most important its has more nukes, twice as many.

Most of those advantages are null in modern combat. Possessing twice as many nuclear weapons is irrelevant if you don't have a survivable second-strike capability and reliable delivery systems. That's not to mention the fact that both sides have significantly more nuclear weapons than are necessary to destroy each other. It's mutually assured destruction. If your tank operators and infantry are poorly trained numerical advantages mean nothing. I also suspect that Russia's economy isn't robust enough to sustain a full blown war with the United States. Either way, war would be far too costly for both sides, hence why it isn't going to happen.

I am not saying that Russia will win i am just showing that US wont win easy battle.

Oh, I absolutely agree. Losses on both sides would be exorbitant and unacceptable for both parties involved.

It's pretty funny the replies from Johnny American 1 and 2 over there. 95 percent of South Ossetia are Russian Seperatists. Learn to read a book sometimes before you put your finger on the trigger. Second of all, The Us economy is so poorly in debt that a war thousands of miles away would be a disaster. Your fighting Russia, who has 684,000 enlisted infantry, thousands of tanks. Russia has never been a quality over quantity army. You don't think they would just simply overwhelm the U.S forces with Numbers? What do you think this would do to the american economy? It's hilarious to even fathom the United States winning such a war. Take a look at your own countries situation before you meddle in another.

It's pretty funny the replies from Johnny American 1 and 2 over there. 95 percent of South Ossetia are Russian Seperatists. Learn to read a book sometimes before you put your finger on the trigger. Second of all, The Us economy is so poorly in debt that a war thousands of miles away would be a disaster. Your fighting Russia, who has 684,000 enlisted infantry, thousands of tanks. Russia has never been a quality over quantity army. You don't think they would just simply overwhelm the U.S forces with Numbers? What do you think this would do to the american economy? It's hilarious to even fathom the United States winning such a war. Take a look at your own countries situation before you meddle in another.

Xuix

In a situation like that, US priorities would differ and a lot more money would go towards the war. Before WWII economy was down but that didnt prevent US from producing war products at a rate that was thought impossible. US would not be the only one fighting Russia as well(Russia would have help too). No war is 'easy' but I still like my countries position in battle.

It's pretty funny the replies from Johnny American 1 and 2 over there. 95 percent of South Ossetia are Russian Seperatists. Learn to read a book sometimes before you put your finger on the trigger. Second of all, The Us economy is so poorly in debt that a war thousands of miles away would be a disaster. Your fighting Russia, who has 684,000 enlisted infantry, thousands of tanks. Russia has never been a quality over quantity army. You don't think they would just simply overwhelm the U.S forces with Numbers? What do you think this would do to the american economy? It's hilarious to even fathom the United States winning such a war. Take a look at your own countries situation before you meddle in another.

Xuix

It would be mutually destructive. Don't try and ignore the fact that Russia isn't infallible either. They might be capable of a short, defense-oriented battle in their sphere of influence but they couldn't sustain a war on our territory. The United States has the best maneuver forces in the world. That's undisputed. Besides, two nuclear powers aren't going to fight each other head on in a conventional war. That's just absurd. But, you're right, the United States has its own problems that would help preclude it from waging an "easy" war against Russia.

A war between Russia and the US simply won't happen...Niether country would have any hope of achieving victory without one side turning to nuclear weapons...the best way to deal with Russia is to get Ukraine into NATO and simply block them from doing anything further.

When everything boils down to NATO vs. Russia neither side has the balls to actually attack eachother head on.

[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"]If everyone does what they are supposed to do and just lets Russia stomp on Georgia then we won't have anything to worry about.fighter91

YES PLEASE! for once UNITED STATES LET OTHER COUNTRIES SOLVE THEIR OWN MATTERS!! god dang it we are like world police we have to monitor everything in every country. as long as something does not harm US, than we don't have to do anything about it.

Do some research on the subject. You will then realize how ignorant you sound.

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[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"]If everyone does what they are supposed to do and just lets Russia stomp on Georgia then we won't have anything to worry about.trix5817

YES PLEASE! for once UNITED STATES LET OTHER COUNTRIES SOLVE THEIR OWN MATTERS!! god dang it we are like world police we have to monitor everything in every country. as long as something does not harm US, than we don't have to do anything about it.

Do some research on the subject. You will then realize how ignorant you sound.

i watch the russian news, i'm guessing CNN and fox news channel is making russia look like the bad guys??

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="fighter91"]

[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"]If everyone does what they are supposed to do and just lets Russia stomp on Georgia then we won't have anything to worry about.fighter91

YES PLEASE! for once UNITED STATES LET OTHER COUNTRIES SOLVE THEIR OWN MATTERS!! god dang it we are like world police we have to monitor everything in every country. as long as something does not harm US, than we don't have to do anything about it.

Do some research on the subject. You will then realize how ignorant you sound.

i watch the russian news, i'm guessing CNN and fox news channel is making russia look like the bad guys??

Eh, I wouldn't bother watching any news. The real story will either be buried forever or things will be much clearer in the coming months.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="fighter91"]

[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"]If everyone does what they are supposed to do and just lets Russia stomp on Georgia then we won't have anything to worry about.fighter91

YES PLEASE! for once UNITED STATES LET OTHER COUNTRIES SOLVE THEIR OWN MATTERS!! god dang it we are like world police we have to monitor everything in every country. as long as something does not harm US, than we don't have to do anything about it.

Do some research on the subject. You will then realize how ignorant you sound.

i watch the russian news, i'm guessing CNN and fox news channel is making russia look like the bad guys??

...and Russian news is making Russia look like...

See what I did there.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="Flotsam"][QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="HookedOnKiLLing"]

[QUOTE="STWELCH"]Ha, I think you would be surprised how easy the US could crush the Russian military.Flotsam

Well fist of all russia has more infanry soldiers, second it has more tanks and third most important its has more nukes, twice as many.

The M1 Abrams can crush any tank on the battlefield today, the Russian T-90 would not stand any chance against it.

There have been 10,000 M1 Abrams built but only 580 T-90s the T-72s as seen in Iraq stand no chance against an Abrams, with them losing 5,000 tanks to no US losses.

There are 8000 of m1 vs 23000. there 800000 full duty soldiers in the US, Russia has 1000000.

Rank FlagStateActive Service Personnel Reserve Force ParamilitaryTotalActive troops per thousand citizens

1People's Republic of China**2,255,000[1]800,000[1]3,969,000[1]7,024,000 1.71

2United States**1,426,026[2]1,458,500[2]853,000[2]3,737,526 4.76

4Russia**1,237,000[4]2,400,000[5]359,100[6]3,996,100 7.24

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="fighter91"]

[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"]If everyone does what they are supposed to do and just lets Russia stomp on Georgia then we won't have anything to worry about.fighter91

YES PLEASE! for once UNITED STATES LET OTHER COUNTRIES SOLVE THEIR OWN MATTERS!! god dang it we are like world police we have to monitor everything in every country. as long as something does not harm US, than we don't have to do anything about it.

Do some research on the subject. You will then realize how ignorant you sound.

i watch the russian news, i'm guessing CNN and fox news channel is making russia look like the bad guys??

No, read up on Georgia and it's relationships to the west. It's a democratic country with which the West has strong relations to. It will soon be a part of NATO. If Russia continues, something has to be done.

Its funny how the Human race kills themselves for trivial reasons, you know we are the only species that kills for the hell of it, not because of survival. but hey i guess its natures way of controlling a mistake.

keep fighting your wars, go join the army and feel proud of killing people hopefully the same thing will happen to you.

Its funny how the Human race kills themselves for trivial reasons, you know we are the only species that kills for the hell of it, not because of survival. but hey i guess its natures way of controlling a mistake.

keep fighting your wars, go join the army and feel proud of killing people hopefully the same thing will happen to you.

WW2_freak

Army Ants actually act much like humans in terms of warfare...

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Its funny how the Human race kills themselves for trivial reasons, you know we are the only species that kills for the hell of it, not because of survival. but hey i guess its natures way of controlling a mistake.

keep fighting your wars, go join the army and feel proud of killing people hopefully the same thing will happen to you.

Hewkii

Army Ants actually act much like humans in terms of warfare...

Chimps do it as well.

"But chimps, the animals most closely related to humans, are known to be highly jealous of territory, patrolling and defending borders constantly. Even without logging, violent clashes are known to erupt in which chimps kill each other with their bare hands and feet. In at least two documented cases, large communities of chimpanzees have systematically hunted down smaller ones and killed all members."

-New York Times

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Its funny how the Human race kills themselves for trivial reasons, you know we are the only species that kills for the hell of it, not because of survival. but hey i guess its natures way of controlling a mistake.

keep fighting your wars, go join the army and feel proud of killing people hopefully the same thing will happen to you.

Hewkii

Army Ants actually act much like humans in terms of warfare...

we are not learning from history, its WWI all over again, one side asks for help, the other side has allies that are forced to help. it breaks into an all out war with multiple countries.

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"]do you think the US will have to reastablish the draft if this becomes an all out war.shyskillz

in these times i doubt it'll work, especially if it doesn't seem patriotic. sure you'll get a few to sign up.... but there will probably be a small civil war before a draft will stick in these times

I hope my fellow Americans have enough of a backbone fight.

Russia and the US will not fall into a war, niether side wants it, plus the US is short on man power as it is, and just say we do go into war, the US would probably pull out of Iraq and put full force into Russia, and a full powered US vs. Russa, Russia will stand no chance witout nuclear weapons, which hopefully they will not use, but if so, the US will counter and both countries will fall.

people have been predicting ww3 since ww2 ended. it's not happening anytime soon.shoeman12

Well after WWI, "the war to end all wars", WWII happened. I think people will always be on the edge.

[QUOTE="STWELCH"][QUOTE="HookedOnKiLLing"]

[QUOTE="STWELCH"]Ha, I think you would be surprised how easy the US could crush the Russian military.Flotsam

Well fist of all russia has more infanry soldiers, second it has more tanks and third most important its has more nukes, twice as many.

P.S. when trying to win an argument on this topic don't bring u the amount of nukes each country has, as neither would use them (as it would mean without a doubt that their own country would get destroyed), and it only takes about 5 to decimate a population. It would be used only as a last resort or if the other country launched them

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[QUOTE="FUBAR24"]do you think the US will have to reastablish the draft if this becomes an all out war.SylentButDeadly

in these times i doubt it'll work, especially if it doesn't seem patriotic. sure you'll get a few to sign up.... but there will probably be a small civil war before a draft will stick in these times

I hope my fellow Americans have enough of a backbone fight.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="fighter91"]

[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"]If everyone does what they are supposed to do and just lets Russia stomp on Georgia then we won't have anything to worry about.Ice_52

YES PLEASE! for once UNITED STATES LET OTHER COUNTRIES SOLVE THEIR OWN MATTERS!! god dang it we are like world police we have to monitor everything in every country. as long as something does not harm US, than we don't have to do anything about it.

Do some research on the subject. You will then realize how ignorant you sound.

Yes, Fighter, you're an idiot. Your suggesting something called isolationism, an it was the cause of WWII

Whoa, isolationism caused WWII? You mean it wasn't the barbaric and inerventionist Treaty of Versailles that crippled the German economy?

[QUOTE="Flotsam"][QUOTE="ShamrockRovers"]

What are Russia tryin' to do anyay, Soviet Union pt2?

UrbanSpartan125

No to protect its citizens.

Even if USA goes into war with Russia in Georgia, it would hardly be a world war since no other country would dare take a position.

It's more like the Korean and Vietnam war.

Even if USA goes into war with Russia in Georgia, it would hardly be a world war since no other country would dare take a position.

It's more like the Korean and Vietnam war.

Redgarl

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Even if USA goes into war with Russia in Georgia, it would hardly be a world war since no other country would dare take a position.

It's more like the Korean and Vietnam war.

pageiszepplin

The present situation in Georgia is more similar with the cold war.

[QUOTE="Ice_52"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="fighter91"]

[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"]If everyone does what they are supposed to do and just lets Russia stomp on Georgia then we won't have anything to worry about.Rhazakna

YES PLEASE! for once UNITED STATES LET OTHER COUNTRIES SOLVE THEIR OWN MATTERS!! god dang it we are like world police we have to monitor everything in every country. as long as something does not harm US, than we don't have to do anything about it.

Do some research on the subject. You will then realize how ignorant you sound.

Yes, Fighter, you're an idiot. Your suggesting something called isolationism, an it was the cause of WWII

Whoa, isolationism caused WWII? You mean it wasn't the barbaric and inerventionist Treaty of Versailles that crippled the German economy?

No, it wasn't. If the US intervined as soon as Hitler violated the treaty when he began conscrpition in 1935, there would've been no conflict.

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"]alright but thats going in my sig so if we do i want video of you eating your hat:evil: GabuEx

Be my guest, although if America does go to war with Russia, we'll probably be dead before I can put that up. :P

well then ill see you in the afterlife to make you eat your dead hat

[QUOTE="FUBAR24"]alright but thats going in my sig so if we do i want video of you eating your hat:evil: GabuEx

Be my guest, although if America does go to war with Russia, we'll probably be dead before I can put that up. :P

I'm not sure if either country would resort to nukes right off of the bat. I dont think that either country wants to essentially send itself back to the dark ages.

If we go to war with Russia, then yeah, everyone in this thread would probably end up with a M16 in his hand.Anamosa41

As long as i got stopping power and martyrdom, i'll be happy :D

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]If we go to war with Russia, then yeah, everyone in this thread would probably end up with a M16 in his hand.Ichigo_Ban_Kai

As long as i got stopping power and martyrdom, i'll be happy :D

AHHH WTF!!!! Everyone I kill has MARTYRDOM!!!!!:P

People should stop talking about WWIII, it's just not going to happen anytime soon because the wounds and nightmares from the last one are still fresh in every world leaders' mind and their respective citizens. To think that NATO will step in for Georgia is asinine; nobody wants a war with Russia, especially Europe. All we can expect from the them is empty acrimonious rhetoric. As for the US taking on Russia, this is not feasible as the US military is stretched out too thin, it would take weeks if not months to concentrate a force capable of tackling Moscow. Need I remind you people that no one has fully and completely taken down Russia in the last ~500 years. Militarily speaking, yes the US can take down Russia for the time being, but Russia is coming back with a whole new aresenal of potent weapons, tanks, fighter aircraft, missiles etc. This is not the same Russia of the 90's, this new Russia has a solid economy and is a military superpower.

On a second thought., I wonder what the Chinese think of Georgia now that it has stolen some their thunder from the Opening Ceremony:| I think that is the real question.

People should stop talking about WWIII, it's just not going to happen anytime soon because the wounds and nightmares from the last one are still fresh in every world leaders' mind and their respective citizens. To think that NATO will step in for Georgia is asinine; nobody wants a war with Russia, especially Europe. All we can expect from the them is empty acrimonious rhetoric. As for the US taking on Russia, this is not feasible as the US military is stretched out too thin, it would take weeks if not months to concentrate a force capable of tackling Moscow. Need I remind you people that no one has fully and completely taken down Russia in the last ~500 years. Militarily speaking, yes the US can take down Russia for the time being, but Russia is coming back with a whole new aresenal of potent weapons, tanks, fighter aircraft, missiles etc. This is not the same Russia of the 90's, this new Russia has a solid economy and is a military superpower.

On a second thought., I wonder what the Chinese think of Georgia now that it has stolen some their thunder from the Opening Ceremony:| I think that is the real question.

Soul_Killa_Dark

I think the real question is that how the Chinese happen to be leading in medals and they are the host. I smell something fishy!

do you think the US will have to reastablish the draft if this becomes an all out war.FUBAR24

the mayans were right again!

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Ice_52"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="fighter91"]

[QUOTE="Coffee_Blade"]If everyone does what they are supposed to do and just lets Russia stomp on Georgia then we won't have anything to worry about.Ice_52

YES PLEASE! for once UNITED STATES LET OTHER COUNTRIES SOLVE THEIR OWN MATTERS!! god dang it we are like world police we have to monitor everything in every country. as long as something does not harm US, than we don't have to do anything about it.

Do some research on the subject. You will then realize how ignorant you sound.

Yes, Fighter, you're an idiot. Your suggesting something called isolationism, an it was the cause of WWII

Whoa, isolationism caused WWII? You mean it wasn't the barbaric and inerventionist Treaty of Versailles that crippled the German economy?

No, it wasn't. If the US intervined as soon as Hitler violated the treaty when he began conscrpition in 1935, there would've been no conflict.

probably and everyone american person you know on gamespot whos over 17 will be fighting the war! including me:cry:blazinpuertoroc