Socialism is the greatest economic theory EVER.

I would say its the greatest theory ever ........

no thats not a slippery slope, it would be a logical fallacy. Please man, you gotta learn the words you use. And no, im not saying thats why everyone eats fast food. Im saying a lot do. This is supported by the report i cited.Free_Marxet

Your article doesn't show that most people eat fast food because it's quick and on the go. It's a slippery slope to suggest that people do, based off one article that says people do so and the millions of Americans that eat fast food.

Well I don't like socialism because I believe that with hard work you are given a greater reward. People who work hard usually make more money and can afford the nice things in life. Socialism means everybody is pretty much equal in economic standing.

I am not going to college to make as much money as a person flipping burgers. That is why socialism really fails. Humans want things by nature. We want to better ourselves, make our lives more comfortable, and we are competitive by nature. Capitalism with a mix of socialism is the ideal society. Where nobody can outright be denyed life if they lose (welfare) but one is never stopped from achieving wealth and power.

I can't say America is a pure capitalistic society, that would be a downright lie. We have a semi-free market were 90% of our goods are regulated via the market. Through years of research we have figured out that the market always will stablize and the prices will drop for the consumer as competition increases. The free market allows for consumers to win, plain and simple.

Time for work. I'll be back...8)

Obesity is a medical condition in which excess body fat has accumulated to the extent that it may have an adverse effect on health, leading to reduced life expectancy.[1][2] Body mass index (BMI), which compares weight and height, is used to define a person as overweight (pre-obese) when their BMI is between 25 kg/m2 and 30 kg/m2 and obese when it is greater than 30 kg/mFree_Marxet

I will counter Wikipedia with the New York Times.

Body mass index: a controversial subject in and of itself. Indeed, a 2005 report published by the CDC, and reported on by the NYT, showed that fewer people who were determined to be either overweight or obese by BMI died than those determined to be underweight. And even then, the calculations for BMI were developed by a Belgian man in the 19th century who wasn't even studying the effect of body weight on health, but rather an ideal weight based on one's height.

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]no thats not a slippery slope, it would be a logical fallacy. Please man, you gotta learn the words you use. And no, im not saying thats why everyone eats fast food. Im saying a lot do. This is supported by the report i cited.LikeHaterade

Your article doesn't show that most people eat fast food because it's quick and on the go. It's a slippery slope to suggest that people do, based off one article that says people do so and the millions of Americans that eat fast food.

NO. Socialism blows. Everyone living "equally" and getting the samepayment, treatment and respect regardless of capabilities is the stupidest theory. Karl Marx was just someone who wanted to write a book, and actually never thought of what he was writing. I'm not going to save money or spend less just so that someone can live the same lifestyle I'm living. I have 5million, I deserve to spend 5million. That guy is 10k, he doesn't deserve to live the life of having 100k because people somewhere have to donate 90k to him. th3warr1or

An extremes no matter which way they go is a bad idea, the USSR proved that socialism to it's most extreme doesn't work, and the USA proved that extreme captalism doesn't either.

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]no thats not a slippery slope, it would be a logical fallacy. Please man, you gotta learn the words you use. And no, im not saying thats why everyone eats fast food. Im saying a lot do. This is supported by the report i cited.Free_Marxet

Your article doesn't show that most people eat fast food because it's quick and on the go. It's a slippery slope to suggest that people do, based off one article that says people do so and the millions of Americans that eat fast food.

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Your article doesn't show that most people eat fast food because it's quick and on the go. It's a slippery slope to suggest that people do, based off one article that says people do so and the millions of Americans that eat fast food.

Tiefster

I realize that what sweden does wouldnt work for america, we would have to make our own system of socialism which is great. Anyway, my justification for socialism is not based on fast food, its just one argument. my justification for socialism is that humans are social animals ad weve never NOT been collectivist.

Free_Marxet

Humans are also individual animals who look out for their own needs first. That hasn't changed in over two million years, and it almost certainly won't change for another two million years. Why else are there concepts like greed and gluttony?

LOL....using education and healthcare as a dig on Capitalism...if anything Our Secodary Education and Helathcare shows why capitalism succeeds....left alone to compete our Colleges and Hospital are the best in the world...more people come to the US every year for secondary education and healthcare than any other nation....:lol:......Socialism the best economic theory?....really....when was teh last time a socialized country footed the bill for anything other than itself?....the US still foots the bill for every major international expense....Socialism...looks great on paper.....yet sucks in practice.....Omni-Slash

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I realize that what sweden does wouldnt work for america, we would have to make our own system of socialism which is great. Anyway, my justification for socialism is not based on fast food, its just one argument. my justification for socialism is that humans are social animals ad weve never NOT been collectivist.

tycoonmike

Humans are also individual animals who look out for their own needs first. That hasn't changed in over two million years, and it almost certainly won't change for another two million years. Why else are there concepts like greed and gluttony?

best in the world AND nobody but the rich can afford them, sounds great!! the usa is in debt to practically everyone, especially china. Free_Marxet

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I realize that what sweden does wouldnt work for america, we would have to make our own system of socialism which is great. Anyway, my justification for socialism is not based on fast food, its just one argument. my justification for socialism is that humans are social animals ad weve never NOT been collectivist.

Free_Marxet

Humans are also individual animals who look out for their own needs first. That hasn't changed in over two million years, and it almost certainly won't change for another two million years. Why else are there concepts like greed and gluttony?

Which do you prefer: freedom or equality?

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] best in the world AND nobody but the rich can afford them, sounds great!! the usa is in debt to practically everyone, especially china. Omni-Slash

And how much do you pay on a monthly basis for your healthcare insurance?BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] best in the world AND nobody but the rich can afford them, sounds great!! the usa is in debt to practically everyone, especially china. Omni-Slash

btw...why do you think we are in debt?....STUPID SOCIAL PROGRAMS!.....Omni-Slash

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Humans are also individual animals who look out for their own needs first. That hasn't changed in over two million years, and it almost certainly won't change for another two million years. Why else are there concepts like greed and gluttony?

tycoonmike

Which do you prefer: freedom or equality?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]And how much do you pay on a monthly basis for your healthcare insurance?Omni-Slash

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] humans do look for their needs first, but what helps an individual more than a strong collective?Free_Marxet

Which do you prefer: freedom or equality?

That doesn't answer the question. Indeed, you can derive happiness from either freedom or equality. Which would you prefer, to be free or to be equal?

yeah, like the military.Free_Marxet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fy2008spendingbycategory.png enjoy the education...

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Which do you prefer: freedom or equality?

tycoonmike

That doesn't answer the question. Indeed, you can derive happiness from either freedom or equality. Which would you prefer, to be free or to be equal?

I pay $54 a month for mine. You probably pay somewhere around $200 as I've heard others state that lived in the US. That being said, you stating that "I'm not rich and I can afford both" really isn't truthful. I couldn't afford to pay $200 a month on healthcare insurance as many other people wouldnt; be able to either. Why else would Obama be speakign about providing socialized health care services to the country? Because a lot of people are getitng the healthcare they need.

BumFluff122

healthcare is available no matter what you want to believe....does that mean someone might have to go without cable television to afford it?...sure.....but it's available...and if you don't have the money....there is already medicaid and medicare to choose from...and they are going bacnkrupt (imagine that govt run).....

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]yeah, like the military.Omni-Slash

enjoy the education...

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] happiness. I dont think that property rights make sense since I cant find any objective truth to say you can actually own anything other than yourselfFree_Marxet

That doesn't answer the question. Indeed, you can derive happiness from either freedom or equality. Which would you prefer, to be free or to be equal?

And unfortunately it is a basic requirement of freedom that we must be stratified into classes. If you prefer freedom, then you want the right to fail, to die penniless, alone, without a friend in the world. Indeed, if you prefer freedom, you DON'T prefer socialism or communism because both don't allow for failure. Both, in reality, support people who provide little to nothing to society.

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]yeah, like the military.Free_Marxet

enjoy the education...

And the population that is covered by those social programs doesn't increase every year?

its not killing our budget because we always increase it. we always borrow money to increaseFree_Marxet

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

That doesn't answer the question. Indeed, you can derive happiness from either freedom or equality. Which would you prefer, to be free or to be equal?

tycoonmike

And unfortunately it is a basic requirement of freedom that we must be stratified into classes. If you prefer freedom, then you want the right to fail, to die penniless, alone, without a friend in the world. Indeed, if you prefer freedom, you DON'T prefer socialism or communism because both don't allow for failure. Both, in reality, support people who provide little to nothing to society.

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]yeah, like the military.Omni-Slash

Military is the second largest thing you spend money on according to that chart. :|

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I pay $54 a month for mine. You probably pay somewhere around $200 as I've heard others state that lived in the US. That being said, you stating that "I'm not rich and I can afford both" really isn't truthful. I couldn't afford to pay $200 a month on healthcare insurance as many other people wouldnt; be able to either. Why else would Obama be speakign about providing socialized health care services to the country? Because a lot of people are getitng the healthcare they need.

Omni-Slash

healthcare is available no matter what you want to believe....does that mean someone might have to go without cable television to afford it?...sure.....but it's available...and if you don't have the money....there is already medicaid and medicare to choose from...and they are going bacnkrupt (imagine that govt run).....

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] its not killing our budget because we always increase it. we always borrow money to increaseOmni-Slash

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget_fy2009_default/

Military is the second largest thing you spend money on according to that chart. :|

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] Free, since property rights dont really apply. both of the words are tricky, because if you read wealth of nations you can see how markets were supposed to bring a form of equalityFree_Marxet

And unfortunately it is a basic requirement of freedom that we must be stratified into classes. If you prefer freedom, then you want the right to fail, to die penniless, alone, without a friend in the world. Indeed, if you prefer freedom, you DON'T prefer socialism or communism because both don't allow for failure. Both, in reality, support people who provide little to nothing to society.

How so? Don't people sacrifice themselves every day? Indeed, at the risk of pissing off everyone in the military on here, what is service in the military but selling yourself to the state for a number of years?

Haha they are not even close to being healthier, care might as well as be rationed in Canada and Europe. Education I would have to look at some stats. kool-aids

Which is why Canadan citizens have a longer average life expectancy than U.S. citizans?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I pay $54 a month for mine. You probably pay somewhere around $200 as I've heard others state that lived in the US. That being said, you stating that "I'm not rich and I can afford both" really isn't truthful. I couldn't afford to pay $200 a month on healthcare insurance as many other people wouldnt; be able to either. Why else would Obama be speakign about providing socialized health care services to the country? Because a lot of people are getitng the healthcare they need.

Omni-Slash

healthcare is available no matter what you want to believe....does that mean someone might have to go without cable television to afford it?...sure.....but it's available...and if you don't have the money....there is already medicaid and medicare to choose from...and they are going bacnkrupt (imagine that govt run).....

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]yeah, like the military.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

And unfortunately it is a basic requirement of freedom that we must be stratified into classes. If you prefer freedom, then you want the right to fail, to die penniless, alone, without a friend in the world. Indeed, if you prefer freedom, you DON'T prefer socialism or communism because both don't allow for failure. Both, in reality, support people who provide little to nothing to society.

tycoonmike

How so? Don't people sacrifice themselves every day? Indeed, at the risk of pissing off everyone in the military on here, what is service in the military but selling yourself to the state for a number of years?

No, I want to change this country. Also, we spend more on military efforts than any country in the world. we are like 51 percent of all military spending http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm im looking at that chart.Free_Marxet

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] not really, negative liberty results in anarcho capitalism which is unsustainable. positive liberty makes more sense. With negative liberty you should be able to sell yourself into slavery, but many who are into these ideas oppose that. since human nature goes against negative liberty fundamentally, our only option is positive liberty.Free_Marxet

How so? Don't people sacrifice themselves every day? Indeed, at the risk of pissing off everyone in the military on here, what is service in the military but selling yourself to the state for a number of years?

The idea that negative liberty is contrary to human nature.

i cant believe your so ignorant as to think the difference between being able to afford healthcare or not is cable television for some people :| JPOBS

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I pay $54 a month for mine. You probably pay somewhere around $200 as I've heard others state that lived in the US. That being said, you stating that "I'm not rich and I can afford both" really isn't truthful. I couldn't afford to pay $200 a month on healthcare insurance as many other people wouldnt; be able to either. Why else would Obama be speakign about providing socialized health care services to the country? Because a lot of people are getitng the healthcare they need.

healthcare is available no matter what you want to believe....does that mean someone might have to go without cable television to afford it?...sure.....but it's available...and if you don't have the money....there is already medicaid and medicare to choose from...and they are going bacnkrupt (imagine that govt run).....

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]No, I want to change this country. Also, we spend more on military efforts than any country in the world. we are like 51 percent of all military spending http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm im looking at that chart.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]i cant believe your so ignorant as to think the difference between being able to afford healthcare or not is cable television for some people :| Omni-Slash