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He got what he deserved.
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Oh well. War can make people 'lose their moral compass' as he said...... In fact in may require you to lose it in some instances. All very well being armchair moralists without living the life through the eyes of a soldier in Afghanistan and understanding psychological diversity/capacity to deal with war/etc.. Just saying....
You're "just saying" that soldiers are justified or excused when plotting the murder of innocent civilians?Oh well. War can make people 'lose their moral compass' as he said...... In fact in may require you to lose it in some instances. All very well being armchair moralists without living the life through the eyes of a soldier in Afghanistan and understanding psychological diversity/capacity to deal with war/etc.. Just saying....
poptart
What about being armchair victims without living the life through the eyes of a person that has been murdered or who's family has been killed by a soldier from a country occupating your land? Maybe if some americans lived through that they would consider it differently.Oh well. War can make people 'lose their moral compass' as he said...... In fact in may require you to lose it in some instances. All very well being armchair moralists without living the life through the eyes of a soldier in Afghanistan and understanding psychological diversity/capacity to deal with war/etc.. Just saying....
poptart
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]8 years per person, huh? If he did the same on American soil, he would surely be in for life. Why the leniency?kuraimenI think it is obvious why. These things probably happen more often than not in a war and are probably not given so much thought by the army authorities. If they started prosecuting them appropriately many soldiers wouldn't feel compelled to participate in the war knowing they could get a big punishment for inappropriate behavior which is very common they would also be more likely to implicate higher authorities as failing to act if they get punished hard. Dehumanizing the enemy is effective in war.
Or it was part of a plea bargain and you have no clue what you're talking about.
[QUOTE="poptart"]You're "just saying" that soldiers are justified or excused when plotting the murder of innocent civilians?Oh well. War can make people 'lose their moral compass' as he said...... In fact in may require you to lose it in some instances. All very well being armchair moralists without living the life through the eyes of a soldier in Afghanistan and understanding psychological diversity/capacity to deal with war/etc.. Just saying....
Engrish_Major
Not at all. Just that soldiers are thrust into war the physical armoury to cope with what's ahead of them but not the mental capacity to cope. People react in different ways - if you're job is to kill and de-humanise the enemy, then for some it may be hard to seperate that from day-to-day living.... I'm not excusing, merely pointing out that we all react differently to stimuli...
I think it is obvious why. These things probably happen more often than not in a war and are probably not given so much thought by the army authorities. If they started prosecuting them appropriately many soldiers wouldn't feel compelled to participate in the war knowing they could get a big punishment for inappropriate behavior which is very common they would also be more likely to implicate higher authorities as failing to act if they get punished hard. Dehumanizing the enemy is effective in war.[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]8 years per person, huh? If he did the same on American soil, he would surely be in for life. Why the leniency?UnknownSniper65
Or it was part of a plea bargain and you have no clue what you're talking about.
That would hold if these things happened for civilians killing civilians in the US too but most people that murder 3 innocent people in the US will get a much higher sentence. Army sentences are usually low.[QUOTE="poptart"]What about being armchair victims without living the life through the eyes of a person that has been murdered or who's family has been killed by a soldier from a country occupating your land? Maybe if some americans lived through that they would consider it differently.Oh well. War can make people 'lose their moral compass' as he said...... In fact in may require you to lose it in some instances. All very well being armchair moralists without living the life through the eyes of a soldier in Afghanistan and understanding psychological diversity/capacity to deal with war/etc.. Just saying....
kuraimen
I'm not excusing nor am I American. All I'm saying is training a dog to fight is fine, but they're not all going to come and be your pet when you ask them. He went wonky. Maybe he's a casualty of war too...
[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I think it is obvious why. These things probably happen more often than not in a war and are probably not given so much thought by the army authorities. If they started prosecuting them appropriately many soldiers wouldn't feel compelled to participate in the war knowing they could get a big punishment for inappropriate behavior which is very common they would also be more likely to implicate higher authorities as failing to act if they get punished hard. Dehumanizing the enemy is effective in war.kuraimen
Or it was part of a plea bargain and you have no clue what you're talking about.
That would hold if these things happened for civilians killing civilians in the US too but most people that murder 3 innocent people in the US will get a much higher sentence. Army sentences are usually low.Most civilian sentences appear longer than they actually are. A person getting 45 years with parole will probably get out long before that 45 year mark. The idea that Army authorities don't take this kind of thing seriously is insane. If they didn't take this kind of thing seriously it would have never gone to trial or even been reported on.
That would hold if these things happened for civilians killing civilians in the US too but most people that murder 3 innocent people in the US will get a much higher sentence. Army sentences are usually low.[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]
Or it was part of a plea bargain and you have no clue what you're talking about.
UnknownSniper65
Most civilian sentences appear longer than they actually are. A person getting 45 years with parole will probably get out long before that 45 year mark. The idea that Army authorities don't take this kind of thing seriously is insane. If they didn't take this kind of thing seriously it would have never gone to trial or even been reported on.
Find me a recently high sentence for someone in the army for the murder of civilians in a war. Most sentences are low or lowered after a while. If you compare that with civilian sentences is obvious military people are treated softly in comparison (unless the murder is of another soldier from their side). The story linked here said that the father of one private told the authorities about what these guys were doing and they failed to act until the thing blew in their faces similar to what happened in Abu ghraib. After the January killing, platoon member Spc. Adam Winfield sent Facebook messages to his parents saying that his fellow soldiers had murdered a civilian and were planning to kill more. Winfield said his colleagues warned him not to tell anyone. Winfield's father alerted a staff sergeant at Lewis-McChord but no action was taken until May, when a witness in a drug investigation in the unit reported the deaths.[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] That would hold if these things happened for civilians killing civilians in the US too but most people that murder 3 innocent people in the US will get a much higher sentence. Army sentences are usually low.kuraimen
Most civilian sentences appear longer than they actually are. A person getting 45 years with parole will probably get out long before that 45 year mark. The idea that Army authorities don't take this kind of thing seriously is insane. If they didn't take this kind of thing seriously it would have never gone to trial or even been reported on.
Find me a recently high sentence for someone in the army for the murder of civilians in a war. Most sentences are low or lowered after a while. If you compare that with civilian sentences is obvious military people are treated softly in comparison (unless the murder is of another soldier from their side). The story linked here said that the father of one private told the authorities about what these guys were doing and they failed to act until the thing blew in their faces similar to what happened in Abu ghraib. After the January killing, platoon member Spc. Adam Winfield sent Facebook messages to his parents saying that his fellow soldiers had murdered a civilian and were planning to kill more. Winfield said his colleagues warned him not to tell anyone. Winfield's father alerted a staff sergeant at Lewis-McChord but no action was taken until May, when a witness in a drug investigation in the unit reported the deaths.Oh well. War can make people 'lose their moral compass' as he said...... In fact in may require you to lose it in some instances. All very well being armchair moralists without living the life through the eyes of a soldier in Afghanistan and understanding psychological diversity/capacity to deal with war/etc.. Just saying....
poptart
Thats why the military has officers to keep people in line.. And why the soldiers are policed far more than the average citizen simply due to the responsibilities they are given.
Yeah... Totaly tr00...its funny the inteligence of the soldiers in the american army is prolly the lowest in the civilized world. Ive seen who joins the troops and its all the cast off and uselss turds of society. When you give these retards guns and they kill innocents can you really expect anyhting else.
All the high school drop outs and people who had mothers who smoked crack and meth end up joining the army. Americas army and its soldiers are jokes. **** zionist pigs.
MoetWitMedusa
[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"]Yeah... Totaly tr00... Quite frankly, if that post doesn't result in a ban something is up with the moderation on this forum.its funny the inteligence of the soldiers in the american army is prolly the lowest in the civilized world. Ive seen who joins the troops and its all the cast off and uselss turds of society. When you give these retards guns and they kill innocents can you really expect anyhting else.
All the high school drop outs and people who had mothers who smoked crack and meth end up joining the army. Americas army and its soldiers are jokes. **** zionist pigs.
chaplainDMK
Oh well. War can make people 'lose their moral compass' as he said...... In fact in may require you to lose it in some instances. All very well being armchair moralists without living the life through the eyes of a soldier in Afghanistan and understanding psychological diversity/capacity to deal with war/etc.. Just saying....
poptart
the **** is wrong with you? that guy just killed 3 civilians
[QUOTE="poptart"]
Oh well. War can make people 'lose their moral compass' as he said...... In fact in may require you to lose it in some instances. All very well being armchair moralists without living the life through the eyes of a soldier in Afghanistan and understanding psychological diversity/capacity to deal with war/etc.. Just saying....
ruhunrocks
the **** is wrong with you? that guy just killed 3 civilians
War can make you go insane, do things you normally wouldn't do. It does not excuse you from your actions, but it does happen.Three murders and all he gets is 24 years?! I don't care if he took responsibility and testified against his cohorts. That should have just downgraded him from a death sentence to life imprisoned.ThePlotholeexactly the justice system makes me question things like this.
If you give someone a gun, they could murder someone in Afghanistan and get away with it if the army didn't check. He got caught there though.
I can't help but think that if this was in reverse and it was a foreign soldier killing 3 American citizens in a war zone.. It would be headline news.
[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]Three murders and all he gets is 24 years?! I don't care if he took responsibility and testified against his cohorts. That should have just downgraded him from a death sentence to life imprisoned.kayoticdreamzexactly the justice system makes me question things like this.
It makes sense. It takes 5 afgani lives to make to equal one American life. Duh.
:roll: Truly pathetic that hes only getting 24 years. He killed innocents, he should be made an example of, not given leniency.
You're "just saying" that soldiers are justified or excused when plotting the murder of innocent civilians?[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="poptart"]
Oh well. War can make people 'lose their moral compass' as he said...... In fact in may require you to lose it in some instances. All very well being armchair moralists without living the life through the eyes of a soldier in Afghanistan and understanding psychological diversity/capacity to deal with war/etc.. Just saying....
poptart
Not at all. Just that soldiers are thrust into war the physical armoury to cope with what's ahead of them but not the mental capacity to cope. People react in different ways - if you're job is to kill and de-humanise the enemy, then for some it may be hard to seperate that from day-to-day living.... I'm not excusing, merely pointing out that we all react differently to stimuli...
I also see it this way. War is really messed up, if you haven't experienced it first hand you don't know the type of effect it can have on your psyche.He's eligible for parole after just 7... what a sad world.good... I hope he serves every year.
k2theswiss
its funny the inteligence of the soldiers in the american army is prolly the lowest in the civilized world. Ive seen who joins the troops and its all the cast off and uselss turds of society. When you give these retards guns and they kill innocents can you really expect anyhting else.
All the high school drop outs and people who had mothers who smoked crack and meth end up joining the army. Americas army and its soldiers are jokes. **** zionist pigs.
MoetWitMedusa
Too bad you can't join if you don't have a diploma or GED. In fact, GED holders have to score higher on the ASVAB than people with high school diplomas to enlist. It takes intelligence to pilot a helicopter or calculate artillery coordinates. Admitted drug addicts can't join the military and if one got in they lied and didn't get caught in the urinalysis they have to take to join. If their mom did drugs and they stayed clean to enlist then all power to them, they're trying to make their life better. Don't judge all Soldiers by that one scumbag.
I'm sure it's headline news in the country in which it ocurred.I can't help but think that if this was in reverse and it was a foreign soldier killing 3 American citizens in a war zone.. It would be headline news.
sSubZerOo
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